Calvinism is Gospel !

[rogerg]

Our role is to believe in Him. (Mark 16:16, John 3:15) That's it. Faith, not works....

No. By the Father’s mercy and grace, through Jesus Christ the Savior, nothing is required for the salvation of His elect. Everything including their faith is given to them from salvation.
Were it otherwise, it would mean that Jesus Christ isn't the Savior.

[2Pe 1:1-3 KJV]
1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:
2 Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,
3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that [pertain] unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:

 

[maximc]

So, how do we identify those "certain men who crept in unawares". There are an estimated 47,000 Christian Denominations, many of these hold to radically different versions of the gospel. They all claim to be the only ones who poses the truth, while they contradict each other.

1 John 2:27 says that it is the HS who teaches us, and that is a perfect teaching. So, you may say that everyone of those denominations claim to having the HS and are being led by him. We don't need to worry about them. We need to ascertain whether we are being guided by the HS or not. How do we ascertain? John 8:31-32 gives us the answer. Jesus told the Jews who believed in him that if they continue in his Word...... That is the key. If we continue in his Word, meaning if we apply his Word in our lives then we are the true disciples of Jesus and we will know the Truth, and the Truth shall make us free.

 

[maximc]

Yes, in fact it was because he was already regenerated God sent him the Gospel to beleive.

Please provide me scripture references where people were first regenerated and after that they heard the gospel.

 

[rogerg]

Rev. 3:5 speaks of the possibility of names being blotted out from the book of life. This indicates that everyone's name was written in the book of life. Their names are being removed because of unbelief. Heb. 3:12 affirms this fact.

And true belief comes as a result of first having been saved.

 

[maximc]

And true belief comes as a result of first having been saved.

No, you are wrong. True belief comes as the person hears the gospel and God deposits faith within the person which is a gift of God. Only then the person calls upon the name of the Lord meaning confesses Jesus as his personal Lord and Savior. It is at that point, the person is saved.

 

[brightfame52]

No. By the Father’s mercy and grace, through Jesus Christ the Savior, nothing is required for the salvation of His elect. Everything including their faith is given to them from salvation.
Were it otherwise, it would mean that Jesus Christ isn't the Savior.

[2Pe 1:1-3 KJV]
1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:
2 Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,
3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that [pertain] unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:

Just as Christ gives repentance as His Mediatorial role as Saviour Acts 5:31

31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

In like manner He is the Saviour that gives Faith

 

[Journey_man]

See post #4,098

10 And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.
Let me post again: and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.

This is not some "ism", but absolute truth from God's word. You may not like it. It may backfire on your whole reformed thinking, but it is true.

I saw your post #4,098 and you base your theology on a "maybe". You use the word "maybe", which reveals that you're not sure if your opinion is right or wrong.
There are no "maybe's" in the Bible, God said "let your yes be yes and your no be no, anything apart from these is of the Devil".

You obviously took Exodus 32:14 out of context. You failed to understand the meaning of the verse in it's intended context, so you just grabbed the word "repented" and added your own unbiblical narrative to it.

God's initial statement that He would consume Israel was a conditional warning of justice designed to provoke Moses to prayer. God eternally knew that Israel would sin, that Moses would intercede, and that He would spare them. The entire unfolding of events—from the threat to the repentance—was part of His unchangeable, sovereign plan.

Because humans experience time chronologically and feel emotions like anger and relief, the Bible accommodates our understanding by describing God "relenting" when the conditions on the ground change (e.g., Moses’ intercession).
Ultimately, rather than a failure of God's knowledge or a change in His eternal will, this "repentance" demonstrates God's unchanging character of mercy responding to repentance and prayer.

 

[brightfame52]

Please provide me scripture references where people were first regenerated and after that they heard the gospel.

I already did. Cornelius was already regenerated and feared God and working righteousness before Peter preached the Gospel to him

Man by nature doesnt fear God Rom 3:18

18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.

 

[Roger316]

I never claimed that "Calvinism says a person is a slave to sin". But I did quote God's Word, because God said it before John Calvin.

You seem to have overlooked or ignored the fact that everyone is born into slavery to sin and Satan. So you're half right, in saying - "A person cannot meaningfully be enslaved to himself, because slavery requires an external master." Satan is that external master that you mentioned.

Adam was not inherently sinful, nor was he "forced" to sin by an already present corrupted nature. The sin nature (total depravity) is a consequence of the Fall, not a pre-existing condition. After his transgression, that original liberty was lost, leaving humanity with a corrupted nature that inclines only toward sin.

The natural man sins "voluntarily" because it is the overflow of his corrupt desires. He cannot choose spiritual good because he lacks the inclination or desire to do so. Jesus states, "Everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin" (John 8:34). The Apostle Paul explains this condition by stating the "mind set on the flesh is hostile to God" (Romans 8:7)

While man’s sin is internal, the external realm of the unsaved is ruled by Satan, whom Scripture describes as the "ruler of this world". The devil does not necessarily need to physically force the natural man to do his bidding; rather, he exploits humanity's innate love for sin, leading unbelievers to do his will.

Paul refers to unbelievers as those who are "held captive by him [the devil] to do his will" (2 Timothy 2:26).

Either we are slaves of sin or Satan. It can't be both. If Satan, then man is not morally responsible,

 

[HeIsHere]

Unbelievers were not predestined to be unbelievers, they are unbelievers because they're wicked and they hate God. So God leaves them dead in their condemned sinful state.

You can't blame God for their evil deeds, God is not the author of evil.

They were born that way and you were not born that way?
If yes then God created them to be evil correct?

 

[maximc]

I already did. Cornelius was already regenerated and feared God and working righteousness before Peter preached the Gospel to him

Man by nature doesnt fear God Rom 3:18

18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.

That is your assumption that Cornelius was regenerated before he heard the gospel. Is it explicitly mentioned?

 

[Churchgoer]

Mystery mystery.
How can Jesus be 100 % man and 100 % God?
How can a sovereign God hold anyone responsible for their sin?
When I see Jesus face to face again, all will be clear.

 

[HeIsHere]

That is your assumption that Cornelius was regenerated before he heard the gospel. Is it explicitly mentioned?

It is always assumed into the text.
It would also seem the entire Bible is TULIP to them... god revealing his preferential, exclusive pre-selected plan of salvation.

 

[Journey_man]

Ordains and creates is pretty much the same. But the Lord's prayer is so that God's will MAY BE DONE ON EARTH as it is in heaven. So in heaven it is done, on earth not so much. Pick up a news paper

There's nothing new under the sun, everything remains as it has always been. The daily news was the same 3000 years ago as it is today, sure the names and the faces are different but it's essentially the same news.

Nothing happens outside of Gods will, you may not agree with what God does but your thoughts mean nothing to God, He does as He pleases, regardless of who agrees or disagrees. I personally praise God for everything He does, because I trust that everything He does is perfectly good.

To suggest that Gods will is not being done on earth is to suggest that God doesn't have full control over every aspect of His creation. Men have a very narrow view, we don't know much about anything. Gods mind and His ways are infinitely higher than ours. Attempting to get into His mind to understand His ways is a recipe for self destruction.

 

[rogerg]

No, you are wrong. True belief comes as the person hears the gospel and God deposits faith within the person which is a gift of God. Only then the person calls upon the name of the Lord meaning confesses Jesus as his personal Lord and Savior. It is at that point, the person is saved.

No, the heart of natural man is deceitful above all things. So, in that state, true confession cannot be made. They must first be given a new heart, but a new heart only comes from salvation, not before. So, for confession to truly be made, they already were saved

[Jer 17:9 KJV] 9 The heart [is] deceitful above all [things], and desperately wicked: who can know it?

[Eze 36:26 KJV] 26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

 

[brightfame52]

That is your assumption that Cornelius was regenerated before he heard the gospel. Is it explicitly mentioned?

Its scripturally mentioned, therefore you dont believe scripture.

 

[Journey_man]

1 John 2:27 says that it is the HS who teaches us, and that is a perfect teaching. So, you may say that everyone of those denominations claim to having the HS and are being led by him. We don't need to worry about them. We need to ascertain whether we are being guided by the HS or not. How do we ascertain? John 8:31-32 gives us the answer. Jesus told the Jews who believed in him that if they continue in his Word...... That is the key. If we continue in his Word, meaning if we apply his Word in our lives then we are the true disciples of Jesus and we will know the Truth, and the Truth shall make us free.

Yes John 8:31-32 is a promise to encourage all believers (Born Again Christians). The Lord Jesus is the truth, He is the Word, He sets His people free from bondage to sin and Satan.

The verses apply to all believers, it was spoken to the Jews but I'm a Jew and so is every believer, except our flesh is not circumcised but our heart is.

 

[Journey_man]

Either we are slaves of sin or Satan. It can't be both. If Satan, then man is not morally responsible,

Not so, Satan attained legal ownership of humanity, at the fall. Mankind has been under His rule, ever since. Only those who were saved by the Lord Jesus are liberated from bondage to sin and Satan.

Believers have 3 enemies, 1 is our sin nature, 2 is Satan and 3 is the world. We still have to grapple with these enemies, for the rest of our lives. They can't make us lose our salvation, but they can and do hinder us and accuse us and try everything to in their power to destroy us, but we already have the victory.

 

[maximc]

Its scripturally mentioned, therefore you dont believe scripture.

I have nothing more to say.

 

[rogerg]

Please provide me scripture references where people were first regenerated and after that they heard the gospel.

Notice in 2 Pe 1:1, that true faith was given to them, but it didn't originate from them - it was through the righteousness of Christ, which righteousness is only given through salvation, along with "all things that (pertain) to life and godliness". So, salvation came first and from it, faith. We can know this because Peter referred to Jesus as their Savior with their faith a result of Him AS Savior.
Spiritually, 2 Peter 1 shows that God saves us, clothes us in the righteousness of Christ, puts His Holy Spirit in us to grant us "all things for life". Furthermore, verse 3 confirms that His divine power grants us 'all things that pertain to life and godliness.' Since spiritual life and godliness are impossible without faith, faith itself must come from that sovereign gift of salvation.

[2Pe 1:1-3 KJV]
1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:
2 Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,
3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that [pertain] unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue: