Calvinist Kitchen...stirring the pot
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Yes, and they had the Scriptures. As long as they stayed true to the Word of God they were fine, but it didn't take long for doctrinal heresy to grow. It was already present as Paul warned throughout the Epistles. There is the true Gospel - Paul penned it in I Corinthians 15:1-4 and warned about the other gospel in Galatians chapter 1.
The early elders created the creeds between 212 and 500. They serve 3 purposes.
1. Define what a Christian must believe.
2. Anything contrary is heresy.
3. Any Biblical issue outside of the creeds is to agree to disagree.
These disagreements have created the various gospel preaching denominations of today. Here is an example. Both sides have long texts with plenty of scripture references backing up their position. This is outside of the creeds so we just agree to disagree. The last 2 web sites defend their positions. Try and prove them wrong.
Quinquarticular Controversy
The diametrically opposed Calvinist and Armenian 5 points
Reformed/Calvinism
TULIP
1. Total depravity
2. Unconditional election
3. Limited atonement
4. Irresistible grace
5. Perserverance of the Saints
Armenianism
1. Free will or Human ability
2. Conditional election
3. Universal Redemption or General Atonement
4. The Holy Spirit can be Effectually Resisted
5. Falling from Grace
For a deeper discussion of the differences go to these web sites,
https://www.gotquestions.org/Calvinism-vs-Arminianism.html
Arminianism vs Calvinism Controversial Passages
https://www.xenos.org/essays/calvinism-arminianism-controversial-passages
There are denominations adhering to Calvinism, Arminianism, and parts of each creating a spectrum of different views of these issues.
Calvinism Armenianism debate
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Calvinist–Arminian_debate
Biblical Defense of Calvinism
https://www.fivesolas.com/tulipscriptures.htm
Biblical Defense of Arminianism
http://www.evidenceunseen.com/theology/calvinism-versus-arminianism/biblical-defense-of-arminianism/
1. Define what a Christian must believe.
2. Anything contrary is heresy.
3. Any Biblical issue outside of the creeds is to agree to disagree.
These disagreements have created the various gospel preaching denominations of today. Here is an example. Both sides have long texts with plenty of scripture references backing up their position. This is outside of the creeds so we just agree to disagree. The last 2 web sites defend their positions. Try and prove them wrong.
Quinquarticular Controversy
The diametrically opposed Calvinist and Armenian 5 points
Reformed/Calvinism
TULIP
1. Total depravity
2. Unconditional election
3. Limited atonement
4. Irresistible grace
5. Perserverance of the Saints
Armenianism
1. Free will or Human ability
2. Conditional election
3. Universal Redemption or General Atonement
4. The Holy Spirit can be Effectually Resisted
5. Falling from Grace
For a deeper discussion of the differences go to these web sites,
https://www.gotquestions.org/Calvinism-vs-Arminianism.html
Arminianism vs Calvinism Controversial Passages
https://www.xenos.org/essays/calvinism-arminianism-controversial-passages
There are denominations adhering to Calvinism, Arminianism, and parts of each creating a spectrum of different views of these issues.
Calvinism Armenianism debate
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Calvinist–Arminian_debate
Biblical Defense of Calvinism
https://www.fivesolas.com/tulipscriptures.htm
Biblical Defense of Arminianism
http://www.evidenceunseen.com/theology/calvinism-versus-arminianism/biblical-defense-of-arminianism/
Pride? Humility?
The one who rejects does not submit to the will of God?
The one who does not reject humbles him/herself?
I believe the calvinist believes it's that the one who rejects is not "elect" so he/she does not have "ears to hear" or "eyes to see" and the one who does not reject is "elect" and God has given him/her "ears to hear" and "eyes to see".
Rom 1:20 tells us that those who suppress the truth in unrighteousness concerning God's eternal power and righteousness (as revealed through the natural, physical creation) are without excuse.
However, if God does not give "eyes to see" or "ears to hear" to all mankind, then the one who rejects has an excuse come judgment day.
Is the gospel of Christ so spiritually complex that it takes a "spiritual rocket scientist" to understand?
Jesus Christ died for the sins of all mankind;
Jesus Christ was buried and He rose again the third day;
Jesus Christ is Lord;
That truth is not so difficult to understand. However, there are some who reject that simple truth. Is it because God does not give them "ears to hear" or is it because they are prideful and will not humble themselves and believe that they have a sin problem or that Christ died for sin or that Christ rose again from the dead or that Christ is Lord?
Some unbelievers agree that they have problems but will not humble themselves to accept that God requires a blood sacrifice.
Unbelievers do not believe that God raised Jesus from the dead even though there were eyewitnesses (1 Cor 15:5-7).
Unbelievers do not believe that Jesus Christ is Lord.
When the unbeliever rejects the truth that Christ died for the sins of all mankind, that God raised Christ from the dead, and Jesus Christ is Lord, does he/she reject because God does not give "ears to hear" or does he/she reject because he/she suppresses the truth in unrighteousness?
The one who rejects does not submit to the will of God?
The one who does not reject humbles him/herself?
I believe the calvinist believes it's that the one who rejects is not "elect" so he/she does not have "ears to hear" or "eyes to see" and the one who does not reject is "elect" and God has given him/her "ears to hear" and "eyes to see".
Rom 1:20 tells us that those who suppress the truth in unrighteousness concerning God's eternal power and righteousness (as revealed through the natural, physical creation) are without excuse.
However, if God does not give "eyes to see" or "ears to hear" to all mankind, then the one who rejects has an excuse come judgment day.
Is the gospel of Christ so spiritually complex that it takes a "spiritual rocket scientist" to understand?
Jesus Christ died for the sins of all mankind;
Jesus Christ was buried and He rose again the third day;
Jesus Christ is Lord;
That truth is not so difficult to understand. However, there are some who reject that simple truth. Is it because God does not give them "ears to hear" or is it because they are prideful and will not humble themselves and believe that they have a sin problem or that Christ died for sin or that Christ rose again from the dead or that Christ is Lord?
Some unbelievers agree that they have problems but will not humble themselves to accept that God requires a blood sacrifice.
Unbelievers do not believe that God raised Jesus from the dead even though there were eyewitnesses (1 Cor 15:5-7).
Unbelievers do not believe that Jesus Christ is Lord.
When the unbeliever rejects the truth that Christ died for the sins of all mankind, that God raised Christ from the dead, and Jesus Christ is Lord, does he/she reject because God does not give "ears to hear" or does he/she reject because he/she suppresses the truth in unrighteousness?
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In other words, a person must be born again before he/she can "hear and believe the spiritual gospel"?
You've got it backwards.
Just read and believe what is written in Ephesians 1:13:
In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise
We trusted after we heard the word of truth, the gospel of salvation, then we believed, then we were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise.
You've got it backwards.
Just read and believe what is written in Ephesians 1:13:
In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise
We trusted after we heard the word of truth, the gospel of salvation, then we believed, then we were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise.
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Well, actually, it's not backwards though some of what FGC teaches is errant.
A person must be born again before they can see the kingdom of God, note John 3:3. This doesn't mean enter. It is "to understand, to perceive" and that comes from being regenerated. Thus, again, John 3:3.
God does a work on the heart of the person to see the truths of the Gospel, and their faith is evidence of conversion. God works this in the heart of the elect when they hear the Gospel.
A person must be born again before they can see the kingdom of God, note John 3:3. This doesn't mean enter. It is "to understand, to perceive" and that comes from being regenerated. Thus, again, John 3:3.
God does a work on the heart of the person to see the truths of the Gospel, and their faith is evidence of conversion. God works this in the heart of the elect when they hear the Gospel.
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No, That is not even close to being true. It wouldl contradict the rest of the word which says he who believes (has faith) is not condemned, He who does not believe is condemned already.
My Faiht is the gift of God. As is My Salvation, it is ALL based on the grace of God.
Believe you me, Jesus has no faith in me..And his faith in me is NOT why I am saved.
My Faiht is the gift of God. As is My Salvation, it is ALL based on the grace of God.
Believe you me, Jesus has no faith in me..And his faith in me is NOT why I am saved.
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No such thing as no denomination or sect. That would be simply impossible with this corrupted creation we live in. The kingdom of God which is not of this world never came by observation . Two or three that gather together in His name constitutes a denomination or sect.
The first sect listed on this side of the cross is the Nazarene sect . There were more than a hundred of sects in Jerusalem at the time of the first century reformation.
Because the Catholic were a sect they simply reverted back to the time period before the first century reformation. The same reforming agent.... "all things written in the law and the prophets"(sola scriptura) It as it is written destroyed their necromancy foundation just as in Judaism .You could say that Catholicism is a carbon copy of corrupted Judaism using different men in the end of the matter to make the word of God without effect.
The first sect listed on this side of the cross is the Nazarene sect . There were more than a hundred of sects in Jerusalem at the time of the first century reformation.
Because the Catholic were a sect they simply reverted back to the time period before the first century reformation. The same reforming agent.... "all things written in the law and the prophets"(sola scriptura) It as it is written destroyed their necromancy foundation just as in Judaism .You could say that Catholicism is a carbon copy of corrupted Judaism using different men in the end of the matter to make the word of God without effect.
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Thats why The HS is sent, to help ALL men understand. (Thus they have no excuse) This why God is still God, His soverignty is still intact, (His will is STILL accomplished) and his LOVE is proven beyond all measure
Otherwise, he is just a respector of persons.. who CLAIMS he is a god of love, but in reality is not..
Otherwise, he is just a respector of persons.. who CLAIMS he is a god of love, but in reality is not..
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