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kaylagrl
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The terms people are speaking of are not in the Bible.Therefore I have to look them up to understand.
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The terms people are speaking of are not in the Bible.Therefore I have to look them up to understand.
Even those who believe in original sin have adopted some of what Pelagius taught. The main example being those who think people aren't that bad and have an ability within themselves to choose the things of God (namely, have faith). Free will still hasn't been defined adequately by those on the Arminian side. I'd be interested in knowing how they reconcile inability of man to faith without regeneration if they think they can come to God without his gifting of faith. I'm guessing "all men are given a measure of faith", but the logical conclusion to that is universalism OR denying the efficacy of Christ's sacrifice.
This is how you are going to reconcile free will with those who never heard the Gospel right?
No the preacher dude was saying all people do not have the chance for God to bring them truth. When that may be true for a small percent but even the small percent know of a higher spiritual being.
That is all, moving on
That must be really hard to deal with as an Arminian. God not giving some people a chance I mean?
They still have God moving them to the understanding of a higher spiritual being and moral law is agreed apon by most people that lying, stealing, murder, etc is wrong. While honor, bravery, integrity, etc is right.
When someone willingly reprobate his mind to these morals they become like animals.
No moving on lol
When someone willingly reprobate his mind to these morals they become like animals.
No moving on lol
So, let me get this right. Only a few don't get to hear the Gospel, but their morality can save them? I got that right? Just trying to understand. Your view seems extremely inconsistent.
Like i said dealing with infants sin is not held accountable to ones who dont know the law or can understand the law.
So, infants aren't held accountable, so by extension, people who don't hear the Gospel are treated as infants? We should hide the Gospel then. Get everyone saved.
so i was correct then , this form topic has nothing to do with a belief , but seek to go over religions systems. that were form by human after the bible went to print.
why would faith lead you to understand an other religion.
9Once I was alive apart from the Law; but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died. 10So I discovered that the very commandment that was meant to bring life actually brought death.
So, people who never hear the Gospel are granted a free passage to heaven? That what you're saying?
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Ariel82
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Well can't happen because that's not what is being taught by free will preachers.
It's no more truth what you say in Bold than if I were to say: Calvinist teach that God condemns people to hell.
Then ask you to defend it.
They are both lies, so why waste the time defending a straw man?
Both Wesley and Arminus rejected Pelagius as a false teacher and taught a version of Original sin. ..doesn't exactly match Calvin or Augustine or even each other.
They also state that without God's grace no man would be saved.
So the bold is just a misrepresentation.
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kaylagrl
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This topic is about the Calvinistic/Reformed belief. I am asking what they believe.As I am unfamiliar with some of their terms I must look them up.
Well idk what else means that sins are not held accountable or paul was alive would mean other than it took the law for us to know sin and once we hear we are held accountable to that sin.
Are sins held accountable where there was no law?
that the joy of act 2 all jewish at pentecoste.
acts 10 tells of gentile being given salvation, (10-18 years later. )
so i guess context is a big problem to the dead founders of a said religion. thaat are not here so they can be corrected or refute or authenticate there stands etc
acts 10 tells of gentile being given salvation, (10-18 years later. )
so i guess context is a big problem to the dead founders of a said religion. thaat are not here so they can be corrected or refute or authenticate there stands etc
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Ariel82
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All are condemned under the Law, because the Law of right and wrong is written in the hearts of all mankind. All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.
The gospel is the only thing that can redeem them from the Law, which why God calls people to preach Jesus to All nations.
i answered your first post , whats that got to do with a personal faith. none of the founders of that faith are here.
do both believe in a saviour or christian teachings.
Romans 5:13New International Version (NIV)
13 To be sure, sin was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not charged against anyone’s account where there is no law.
Keep in mind it doesnt take long in life to hear one part of the law. And if we break one part we break the whole law. So this really is to the infants, mental disabled, or the small percent who never hears anything from the bible.
13 To be sure, sin was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not charged against anyone’s account where there is no law.
Keep in mind it doesnt take long in life to hear one part of the law. And if we break one part we break the whole law. So this really is to the infants, mental disabled, or the small percent who never hears anything from the bible.