Can A Merciful God Condemn A Man To Hell Who Has Never Heard The Gospel, And Justify Himself In Doing So?
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Are you sure about what I made red above?
Rom 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
Rom 2:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another
When Adam sinned, he died spiritually.
Children are not born dead spiritually.
Their sins are not held against them.
But like Paul, when a child grows up and understands the law, whether they are taught the law of Moses or not, for it is written in their heart, they die spiritually.
At that point, they will be judged according to the law written in their hearts.
Either way, God is a just God.
Are you sure babies are saved? Everyone tries to put God above good judgment just because He is God. It is like "I got mine, never-mind the rest." Should we not want good for all sinners? Shouldn't we prefer all turn from their sin and live forevermore? I believe that most will eventually be saved. How will you tell them in the hereafter that you didn't want good for them.
I believe only those set on evil will eventually be destroyed with the fallen angels. That is the kindest outcome for anyone wallowing in evil. When God gets done with all He is doing, evil will be purged!
Remember that John the Baptist was not to sure himself if Yeshua was Messiah/Redeemer, which is why he sent his disciples to Yeshua to see if he was him who was spoken of. Question, if John the Baptist was elected, why did he doubt while in prison? God raised him up to prepare the way, remember that God stated that his parents walked righteous and blameless, so God knew before John the Baptist birth that he was going to be taught in the ways of the Lord and God became real in his life allowing himself to be used by God, just like many prophets allowed themselves to be used.
So, if doubt can cause one to betray the faith, John the Baptist was no exception, Yeshua told John the Baptist's disciples the works that he is doing to assure John the Baptist that he is the Messiah/Redeemer.
So, if doubt can cause one to betray the faith, John the Baptist was no exception, Yeshua told John the Baptist's disciples the works that he is doing to assure John the Baptist that he is the Messiah/Redeemer.
The Holy Spirit appeared not to be given as dwelling in the believers, but it guided and convicted. In Psalms 51, King David in his prayer of repentance said... take not thy Holy Spirit away from me, he remembered what happened to king Saul when the Spirit of God left king Saul.
I believe that the scriptures infer that all of the elect have had doubts at times.
Eph 2 says that we all were children of wrath until we were born again. Were all the prophets of the old testament children of wrath?
All children, in their youth, when they die have been born again and will go to heaven because the scriptures say that the wicked do not die in their youth but grow to be old. There are are no requirements, such as, accepting believing, repenting in order to be born again. Eph 2Let me put it to you how God told me.
"Except a MAN be born again, he cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven".
And then He said emphatically, "BABIES are NOT, MEN!!!"
God already took me down this road, and I don't need a second tongue lashing to get the revelation all over again. I got it the first time.
You now have two witnesses, stating, children go to heaven when they die at a young age.
Romans chapter 7:9 and the above verse.
Look up the definitions to the original language. Children are not held accountable for their actions until they are of age.
They have to first die spiritually like Adam did, and that doesn't happen when they are conceived, but when they come to adulthood.
As for the exact age of when that is, I don't know. I think it varies per person.
When the children of Israel sinned against God, and He made them wander in the wilderness, whose carcasses fell in the desert, both the children and the adults, or just the adults of 20 and up?
What was the age for a man to go to war?
Exo 30:12 When thou takest the sum of the children of Israel after their number, then shall they give every man a ransom for his soul unto the LORD, when thou numberest them; that there be no plague among them, when thou numberest them.
Exo 30:13 This they shall give, every one that passeth among them that are numbered, half a shekel after the shekel of the sanctuary: (a shekel is twenty gerahsan half shekel shall be the offering of the LORD.
Exo 30:14 Every one that passeth among them that are numbered, from twenty years old and above, shall give an offering unto the LORD.
Num 1:3 From twenty years old and upward, all that are able to go forth to war in Israel: thou and Aaron shall number them by their armies.
All children who die in their youth will be born again before they die because the scriptures say that the wicked do not die in their youth, but grow to be old.Let me put it to you how God told me.
"Except a MAN be born again, he cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven".
And then He said emphatically, "BABIES are NOT, MEN!!!"
God already took me down this road, and I don't need a second tongue lashing to get the revelation all over again. I got it the first time.
You now have two witnesses, stating, children go to heaven when they die at a young age.
Romans chapter 7:9 and the above verse.
Look up the definitions to the original language. Children are not held accountable for their actions until they are of age.
They have to first die spiritually like Adam did, and that doesn't happen when they are conceived, but when they come to adulthood.
As for the exact age of when that is, I don't know. I think it varies per person.
When the children of Israel sinned against God, and He made them wander in the wilderness, whose carcasses fell in the desert, both the children and the adults, or just the adults of 20 and up?
What was the age for a man to go to war?
Exo 30:12 When thou takest the sum of the children of Israel after their number, then shall they give every man a ransom for his soul unto the LORD, when thou numberest them; that there be no plague among them, when thou numberest them.
Exo 30:13 This they shall give, every one that passeth among them that are numbered, half a shekel after the shekel of the sanctuary: (a shekel is twenty gerahs
Exo 30:14 Every one that passeth among them that are numbered, from twenty years old and above, shall give an offering unto the LORD.
Num 1:3 From twenty years old and upward, all that are able to go forth to war in Israel: thou and Aaron shall number them by their armies.
Eph 2 tells us that before we were born again that we were dead, spiritually, in sins, so there were no requirements of any actions on our part to be born again, such as, repent, believe, accept, have faith, let Jesus come into our hearts, etc.Let me put it to you how God told me.
"Except a MAN be born again, he cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven".
And then He said emphatically, "BABIES are NOT, MEN!!!"
God already took me down this road, and I don't need a second tongue lashing to get the revelation all over again. I got it the first time.
You now have two witnesses, stating, children go to heaven when they die at a young age.
Romans chapter 7:9 and the above verse.
Look up the definitions to the original language. Children are not held accountable for their actions until they are of age.
They have to first die spiritually like Adam did, and that doesn't happen when they are conceived, but when they come to adulthood.
As for the exact age of when that is, I don't know. I think it varies per person.
When the children of Israel sinned against God, and He made them wander in the wilderness, whose carcasses fell in the desert, both the children and the adults, or just the adults of 20 and up?
What was the age for a man to go to war?
Exo 30:12 When thou takest the sum of the children of Israel after their number, then shall they give every man a ransom for his soul unto the LORD, when thou numberest them; that there be no plague among them, when thou numberest them.
Exo 30:13 This they shall give, every one that passeth among them that are numbered, half a shekel after the shekel of the sanctuary: (a shekel is twenty gerahs
Exo 30:14 Every one that passeth among them that are numbered, from twenty years old and above, shall give an offering unto the LORD.
Num 1:3 From twenty years old and upward, all that are able to go forth to war in Israel: thou and Aaron shall number them by their armies.
Where does it say that "the wicked do not die in their youth"? I couldn't find it. It directly contradicts Job 36:13-14.
Yes.
Absolutely.
Jesus said, unless we, the adults to whom he was ministering, become like unto little children they will never see the kingdom of God.
If adults are to be like unto little one's in order to see the Kingdom, then what would it say if babies were damned by the same God that gave that instruction to adults?
The Gospel is the Good News delivered by Jesus for the whole world. Jesus died taking the sins of the whole world upon Himself on the cross. All that is needed to benefit from God's gracious irrevocable gift is to believe.
Well, there's a bit of a conflict among some who discuss this matter. The Book of 1st Timothy chapter 4 and particularly verse 10, makes it sound like Jesus death on the cross saved everyone , especially those that believe. That's what the scripture says.
Then there is that camp that say, that's Universalism, which is a teaching that says everyone will eventually be saved. And often they cite 1st Timothy 4:10.
Then there are others that say, while Jesus took the sins of the world upon Himself on the cross, that means that all someone has to do is believe and accept the free irrevocable gift of Salvation and they are reborn as a new creation in Christ. Their old sinner self is no longer damned for its sins because Jesus took those away. And God, when that sinner repents and holds faith in Christ, accepts Jesus as their Savior, will remember that persons sins no more. No new sins accrue. It is all put under the blood of Jesus. No longer a sinner, but a redeemed in Christ saint.
Personally, I do not believe God damns babies or children. There is no thing in scripture that implies or imparts that teaching.
In the end, it could be said it is an argument of semantics and we'll find out when we are at the seat of judgment.
I am happy for you, that you have it all figured out. I don't see babies overcoming anything. Rev. 2:7 "He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God."
My take: there will be many that will fall into this category:
Matt. 7:22-23 "Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." But that does not mean God is done with you, because He yet never knew you.
You believe we have to work to stay saved?
And you think you're talking now to one of those "many" in your take on things? Because it is odd you thumbs up such a dire prediction for those "many" you refer to.
As an aside, I pity anyone who thinks babies can go to Hell. It isn't scripture, it's something else that leads one to think that.
You believe we have to work to stay saved?
And you think you're talking now to one of those "many" in your take on things? Because it is odd you thumbs up such a dire prediction for those "many" you refer to.
As an aside, I pity anyone who thinks babies can go to Hell. It isn't scripture, it's something else that leads one to think that.
Your version of hell and mine are different, way different. Dead babies are put in graves all the time. Only through the traditions of men (and maybe Antichrist) is sheol and hades considered a dwelling place of conscious suffering souls. So we'll leave this off for now.
Hebrews 9:27
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
Sorry, no nap time after the body drops.
Luke 20:37-38
But even Moses showed in the burning bush passage that the dead are raised, when he called the Lord ‘the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.’ 38For He is not the God of the dead but of the living, for all live to Him.”
God of the living!
2 Peter 2:4
For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment;
Where are they now?
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
Sorry, no nap time after the body drops.
Luke 20:37-38
But even Moses showed in the burning bush passage that the dead are raised, when he called the Lord ‘the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.’ 38For He is not the God of the dead but of the living, for all live to Him.”
God of the living!
2 Peter 2:4
For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment;
Where are they now?
The Complete Jewish Bible says this in verse 4 of the 2nd chapter of 2nd Peter. For God did not spare the angels who sinned; on the contrary, he put them in gloomy dungeons lower than Sh’ol to be held for judgment.
That would appear to be where they are and rightly so. No one is yet in Hell.
Yes, I am certain, not only because God told me personally, but because it is scripturally sound.
Years ago, I too thought every person had to be born again.
While watching a tv preacher talk about his experience of going to heaven, I heard a very loud voice screaming at me.
When the preacher said he saw many oriental children there in heaven, at that moment, I judged him a liar and said within my heart, not out loud, "that's not true, he's lying, for the bible says, 'except a PERSON be born again, he cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven".
That was my understanding of the scripture 3 decades ago.
And immediately, I heard someone behind me, yelling as loud as they could.
For years I asked God why I couldn't remember what He said while yelling at me, and about 20 some years later, he told me why.
He said, "Because you didn't understand the language I was speaking."
Anyway, after that, He spoke VERY clearly, in English this time, still with anger in His voice, He said, "My word say, 'Except a MAN be born again, he cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven.", and He stressed or emphasized the word, Man, while quoting that scripture to me.
Then, in a scolding tone He said, "BABIES are NOT, MEN!!!"
Those are the exact words He said to me, stressing the words, babies, not, and men.
And yes, children are indeed born in sin, but where there is no understanding of the law, sin is not imputed to them.
Rom 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Rom 7:8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
Rom 7:9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
Rom 7:10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
Rom 7:11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom 7:13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
And what did Jesus compare the kingdom of heaven to?
Mat 19:14 But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 18:1 At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?
Mat 18:2 And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them, heaven.
Mat 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 18:4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 18:5 And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me.
Mat 18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
Jesus would not use children to describe what we need to become, or to be like, to enter in the kingdom of heaven, if they were of the devil, true?
And Jesus said the same about little child as He said about the believers in Christ or Christians.
Mat 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
Mat 10:40 He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.
Mat 10:41 He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet's reward; and he that receiveth a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man's reward.
Mat 10:42 And whosoever shall give to drink unto one of these little ones a cup of cold water only in the name of a disciple, verily I say unto you, he shall in no wise lose his reward.
The Book of Matthew chapter 18
Who Is the Greatest?
1 At that time the disciples approached Jesus and asked, “Who then is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?” 2 Jesus called a little child, had him stand in the middle of them, 3 and said, “Amen I tell you: Unless you are turned and become like children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. 4 Whoever humbles himself like this little child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. 5 And whoever receives a little child like this one in my name receives me.
6 “But, if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin,[a] it would be better for him to have a huge millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea. 7 Woe to the world because of temptations to sin. Temptations must come, but woe to that person through whom the temptation comes!
8 “If your hand or your foot causes you to sin,[b] cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life crippled or lame than to be thrown into the eternal fire with two hands or two feet. 9 If your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and throw it away from you. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to be thrown into hell fire with two eyes. 10 See to it that you do not look down on one of these little ones, because I tell you that their angels in heaven always see the face of my Father who is in heaven. 11 For the Son of Man came to save what was lost.[c]
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I disagree, if I understood you correctly.
Are you stating, no one needs to do what is written in Romans 10:8-10, like repenting of their doubt and believe in their heart the gospel of Jesus Christ, or that God the Father raise Jesus from the dead, and confess Him as their lord and savior, personally, to be born again?