Can Catholics be saved?

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name one thing that Christ taught, they haven't changed
I am not talking about obvious things like "made heaven and earth",
doctrines like
hell
purgatory
going to heaven
trinity
sunday
easter
xmas
priest can't marry
confess to priests
no sex with protection
Mary queen of heaven

Rome is Satan's city
p.s. don't read Jn 20:21-23

thks
 
I've been really interested in being a Catholic lately i Dont know if its a bad thing but my grandma said as long they believe that Jesus is the son of god than That's not bad
You can be a Catholic and be saved.

Some people will say you cannot but you can be saved.

If you can break in to heaven of your own ability and dwell there untouched then you can be saved.

Let me explain why you cannot be saved.

The 7 Churches in Revelation is a prophesy of how the Church age will be in popular influence.

Which the Roman Catholic is in there which the Bible calls her the synagogue of Satan.

And now we are at the last Church age where there are many hypocrites and lovers of money.

Which God said they are lukewarm and He will spue them out of His mouth.

And they are wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked.

It is obvious when the Roman Empire embraced Christianity they did not get rid of their pagan and occult ways and it became their foundation for interpreting scripture.

They call the Pope Holy Father.

But the man Christ Jesus said to a man why call me good but only God is good.

And call no man on earth father who claims to be operating in a spiritual sense for only God is our Father.

So it is a double whammy on the part of the Pope.

Also God said He does not give His glory to another so they cannot exalt the Pope as well as Mary who they call the Queen of heaven.

This is a grave error.

They say the Pope is the head of the visible Church but only Christ is the head of the Church.

They honor Mary but Jesus said whoever does the will of God the same is His mother, brethren, and sisters.

A woman said blessed is the woman who gave birth to you but Jesus said yea rather blessed is he that hears the word of God and does it.

Jesus did not exalt Mary and put her in the same boat as all the saints.

Jesus said born of women there is none greater than John the Baptist but they put Mary above all the saints.

They cannot honor Mary like that and they like to exalt certain saints.

Because of their pagan and occult foundation the other religions have a female deity so they have to have one too.

The mediator between God and men is the man Christ Jesus.

But they have priests that mediate between the person and God which makes their confession obsolete.

Also they call the priests father another double whammy on the part of the priests.

They have many works they do having them jump through hoops thinking they have a bearing on being right with God.

But the Bible says love works no ill towards their neighbor therefore love is the fulfilling of the law

So their works have no effect and not approved of by God.

Jesus addressed the Pharisees about this behavior towards the saints and it was wrong.

They say that tradition is equal to the word of God but Jesus told the Pharisees that they make the word of God of none effect.

The Bible warns that some shall depart from the faith and follow a belief system that is of seducing spirits and doctrines of devils.

Which the time will come that people will not want to hear the truth of the Bible but according to their own lusts.

Which will be when the antichrist pushes his agenda of a false interpretation of the Bible with all religions interpreted the same.

The Bible says the Roman Empire will not lose their dominion until Jesus puts down the world.

Which they will devour the world, tread upon it, and break it in pieces.

Which will be by way of their false Christianity that influences the world.

The Pope and Vatican will go by that false Christianity as the truth giving support to the antichrist.

Which the Pope will be head of a unified religious system Mystery Babylon representing all religions.

Which the Bible says Babylon will never have physical dominion again but her life was prolonged for a time and season.

So the antichrist system is Babylon in spirit for she represents human religion, the occult, and the kingdom of man.

So I would say stay away from the Catholic Church for their beliefs and ways are not right and will be the deceiver along with the antichrist pushing a false christianity when God is ready to end sin on earth.
 
tell us how you got the bible without the authority of Christ in His apostolic church?

or provide a means to arrive at the canon of scripture without the apostolic church?

the canon was aporoved at the council of rome 381-2 by the pope and apostolic church!

so you can't believe it!
the new testament is authorized by the pagans so don't believe it!


where does scripture say we have the authority read or study scripture and decide doctrine for ourselves or to decide what constitutes the christian faith? The christian faith is revealed eph 4:5 jude 1:3 by Christ and commanded to be taught! mt 28:19

Christians must be taught or instructed, according to the sense which the perpetual consent of the Catholic Church hath held and expressed, as commanded by Christ! Matt 28:19-20 acts 1:1-8

Jesus Christ founded the new covenant church to teach and sanctify (baptize) all men unto eternal salvation! (Matt 28:19)

The Holy Spirit leads the apostles into all truth (Jn 16:13) they must teach us! (Matt 28:19)

Lk 1:4
Matt 5:14
Matt 6:33
matt 16:18-19
matt 18:17-18
Matt 28:19
Lk 10:16
Jn 20:21
Acts 2:42
Acts 16:17
Acts 8:31
Titus 1:9
Titus 2:12
Phil 4:9
1 tim 3:15
Colossians 2:7
Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught…

thks

btw apart from the apostolic church how do you what is and what is not scripture?

I was called by the Father to follow Jesus Christ, not a church, or men.
I want zero to do with Rome ---- zero!!

Just to make it clear, I want nothing to do with what I call the 45,000 flavors of confusion called christianity that follow Rome's pagan false doctrines.
 
yet you actually believe 95 percent of Catholic Dogma even though you don't know what it is!

they are short concise statements that all Christians are bound to believe

255 DOGMA's Catholic and Divine Faith revealed by Christ and taught by His command! matt 28:19:20
"the faith of the apostles" acts 2:42

Dogma / De Fide or “thee faith” (found 31 times in the New Testament) eph 4:5 Jude 1:3

Truths revealed by Christ, taught by His apostolic church! (Matt 28:19)
(The rule of faith)

The faith that is binding on all Christians! Matt 16:18-19 & 18:18

Christ and His church are one and teach one truth faith! Acts 9:4 eph 5:32 / Jn 8:12 - Matt 5:14
Matt 17:5 - acts 3:22 Matt 18:18
Truth: Jn 14:6 - 1 Tim 3:15

Most people who oppose dogma actually believe in most of the 255 dogma’s.

Example: #12 there is only one God

thks


Faith, I follow Jesus Christ and HIM ONLY

I keep the same days as Christ, the same Commandments --- the same Torah
It is the FEW that follow Christ and are His, I am of the few and not of the MANY that Christ does not know!
 
your bearing the hallmarks of a Jw?

thks
yes, I am not of the Tribe of Judah, but I follow Jesus Christ, a Jew as are the 13 Apostles.
Are you aware both the O T and the N T were written by Jews and Hebrews? no gentiles, I want nothing from Rome

I do what Christ did, not what "christians and catholics do,
 
Anyone can be saved no matter what they believe in at the moment and I am sure many Catholics are saved but they need to know the scriptures and put all their trust totally in the salvation in Jesus and not in the false teachings of men.
They look to their priests that they confess to and call him father.
The bible says
And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
Mary was a sinner just like all of us not to mention inherited sin.
She made a sin offering.
A priest cannot absolve anyone of their sins
And many more false unscriptural teachings of the Catholic Church.
An interesting fact when many Moslems find Christ to be their saviour many have visions or visitations of Jesus, maybe because of their life long upbringing of Islam they need a special sign from the Lord who knows.
 
You can be a Catholic and be saved.

Some people will say you cannot but you can be saved.

If you can break in to heaven of your own ability and dwell there untouched then you can be saved.

Let me explain why you cannot be saved.

The 7 Churches in Revelation is a prophesy of how the Church age will be in popular influence.

Which the Roman Catholic is in there which the Bible calls her the synagogue of Satan.

And now we are at the last Church age where there are many hypocrites and lovers of money.

Which God said they are lukewarm and He will spue them out of His mouth.

And they are wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked.

It is obvious when the Roman Empire embraced Christianity they did not get rid of their pagan and occult ways and it became their foundation for interpreting scripture.

They call the Pope Holy Father.

But the man Christ Jesus said to a man why call me good but only God is good.

And call no man on earth father who claims to be operating in a spiritual sense for only God is our Father.

So it is a double whammy on the part of the Pope.

Also God said He does not give His glory to another so they cannot exalt the Pope as well as Mary who they call the Queen of heaven.

This is a grave error.

They say the Pope is the head of the visible Church but only Christ is the head of the Church.

They honor Mary but Jesus said whoever does the will of God the same is His mother, brethren, and sisters.

A woman said blessed is the woman who gave birth to you but Jesus said yea rather blessed is he that hears the word of God and does it.

Jesus did not exalt Mary and put her in the same boat as all the saints.

Jesus said born of women there is none greater than John the Baptist but they put Mary above all the saints.

They cannot honor Mary like that and they like to exalt certain saints.

Because of their pagan and occult foundation the other religions have a female deity so they have to have one too.

The mediator between God and men is the man Christ Jesus.

But they have priests that mediate between the person and God which makes their confession obsolete.

Also they call the priests father another double whammy on the part of the priests.

They have many works they do having them jump through hoops thinking they have a bearing on being right with God.

But the Bible says love works no ill towards their neighbor therefore love is the fulfilling of the law

So their works have no effect and not approved of by God.

Jesus addressed the Pharisees about this behavior towards the saints and it was wrong.

They say that tradition is equal to the word of God but Jesus told the Pharisees that they make the word of God of none effect.

The Bible warns that some shall depart from the faith and follow a belief system that is of seducing spirits and doctrines of devils.

Which the time will come that people will not want to hear the truth of the Bible but according to their own lusts.

Which will be when the antichrist pushes his agenda of a false interpretation of the Bible with all religions interpreted the same.

The Bible says the Roman Empire will not lose their dominion until Jesus puts down the world.

Which they will devour the world, tread upon it, and break it in pieces.

Which will be by way of their false Christianity that influences the world.

The Pope and Vatican will go by that false Christianity as the truth giving support to the antichrist.

Which the Pope will be head of a unified religious system Mystery Babylon representing all religions.

Which the Bible says Babylon will never have physical dominion again but her life was prolonged for a time and season.

So the antichrist system is Babylon in spirit for she represents human religion, the occult, and the kingdom of man.

So I would say stay away from the Catholic Church for their beliefs and ways are not right and will be the deceiver along with the antichrist pushing a false christianity when God is ready to end sin on earth.
typical fundementalist non-sense

I will answer one here!

call no man father

Matt 23:9
Call no man father? Jesus is only condemning pride and spiritual pride of the Pharisees?

Or is this absolute?

God calls men father!

Ex 3:6 Moreover he said, I am the God of thy fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God.

Jesus calls men father!

Jn 6:49 Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.

Mary calls men father!

Lk 1:55 As he spake to our fathers, to Abraham, and to his seed for ever.

Peter calls men father!

Acts 3:13 The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go.

Acts 3:22 Moses said unto the fathers…

The stephen calls men father!

Acts 7 Stephen quotes the fathers over and over!

Apostles call men father!

1 Jn 2:13 I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one. I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father.

14 I have written unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one.

The Bible calls men father!

Luke 16:24
And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.


Acts 3:13
The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go.


Jn 4:20 Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.

Jesus does not rebuke her for calling men father!


Then there is spiritual fathers who have care for our souls! Heb 13:7-17

Isa 22 the administrator of the kingdom is called father, so the same for Peter, the apostles, and their successors! pope means father, Christ appointed peter & the apostles to administer the kingdom. Lk 22:29 mt 16:18-19 Jn 20:21-23 Jn 21:17

Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 acts 9:4 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20

thks

btw

The Bible warns that some shall depart from the faith and follow a belief system that is of seducing spirits and doctrines of devils.

refers to the 16th century reformation (revolt)
where does scripture say yo have a reformation? where does scripture say the truth and the church can be reformed?
 
You can be a Catholic and be saved.

Some people will say you cannot but you can be saved.

If you can break in to heaven of your own ability and dwell there untouched then you can be saved.

Let me explain why you cannot be saved.

The 7 Churches in Revelation is a prophesy of how the Church age will be in popular influence.

Which the Roman Catholic is in there which the Bible calls her the synagogue of Satan.

And now we are at the last Church age where there are many hypocrites and lovers of money.

Which God said they are lukewarm and He will spue them out of His mouth.

And they are wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked.

It is obvious when the Roman Empire embraced Christianity they did not get rid of their pagan and occult ways and it became their foundation for interpreting scripture.

They call the Pope Holy Father.

But the man Christ Jesus said to a man why call me good but only God is good.

And call no man on earth father who claims to be operating in a spiritual sense for only God is our Father.

So it is a double whammy on the part of the Pope.

Also God said He does not give His glory to another so they cannot exalt the Pope as well as Mary who they call the Queen of heaven.

This is a grave error.

They say the Pope is the head of the visible Church but only Christ is the head of the Church.

They honor Mary but Jesus said whoever does the will of God the same is His mother, brethren, and sisters.

A woman said blessed is the woman who gave birth to you but Jesus said yea rather blessed is he that hears the word of God and does it.

Jesus did not exalt Mary and put her in the same boat as all the saints.

Jesus said born of women there is none greater than John the Baptist but they put Mary above all the saints.

They cannot honor Mary like that and they like to exalt certain saints.

Because of their pagan and occult foundation the other religions have a female deity so they have to have one too.

The mediator between God and men is the man Christ Jesus.

But they have priests that mediate between the person and God which makes their confession obsolete.

Also they call the priests father another double whammy on the part of the priests.

They have many works they do having them jump through hoops thinking they have a bearing on being right with God.

But the Bible says love works no ill towards their neighbor therefore love is the fulfilling of the law

So their works have no effect and not approved of by God.

Jesus addressed the Pharisees about this behavior towards the saints and it was wrong.

They say that tradition is equal to the word of God but Jesus told the Pharisees that they make the word of God of none effect.

The Bible warns that some shall depart from the faith and follow a belief system that is of seducing spirits and doctrines of devils.

Which the time will come that people will not want to hear the truth of the Bible but according to their own lusts.

Which will be when the antichrist pushes his agenda of a false interpretation of the Bible with all religions interpreted the same.

The Bible says the Roman Empire will not lose their dominion until Jesus puts down the world.

Which they will devour the world, tread upon it, and break it in pieces.

Which will be by way of their false Christianity that influences the world.

The Pope and Vatican will go by that false Christianity as the truth giving support to the antichrist.

Which the Pope will be head of a unified religious system Mystery Babylon representing all religions.

Which the Bible says Babylon will never have physical dominion again but her life was prolonged for a time and season.

So the antichrist system is Babylon in spirit for she represents human religion, the occult, and the kingdom of man.

So I would say stay away from the Catholic Church for their beliefs and ways are not right and will be the deceiver along with the antichrist pushing a false christianity when God is ready to end sin on earth.
how does one get saved in your understanding?'
thks
 
typical fundementalist non-sense

I will answer one here!

call no man father

Matt 23:9
Call no man father? Jesus is only condemning pride and spiritual pride of the Pharisees?

Or is this absolute?

God calls men father!

Ex 3:6 Moreover he said, I am the God of thy fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God.

Jesus calls men father!

Jn 6:49 Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.

Mary calls men father!

Lk 1:55 As he spake to our fathers, to Abraham, and to his seed for ever.

Peter calls men father!

Acts 3:13 The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go.

Acts 3:22 Moses said unto the fathers…

The stephen calls men father!

Acts 7 Stephen quotes the fathers over and over!

Apostles call men father!

1 Jn 2:13 I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one. I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father.

14 I have written unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one.

The Bible calls men father!

Luke 16:24
And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.


Acts 3:13
The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go.


Jn 4:20 Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.

Jesus does not rebuke her for calling men father!


Then there is spiritual fathers who have care for our souls! Heb 13:7-17

Isa 22 the administrator of the kingdom is called father, so the same for Peter, the apostles, and their successors! pope means father, Christ appointed peter & the apostles to administer the kingdom. Lk 22:29 mt 16:18-19 Jn 20:21-23 Jn 21:17

Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 acts 9:4 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20

thks

btw

The Bible warns that some shall depart from the faith and follow a belief system that is of seducing spirits and doctrines of devils.

refers to the 16th century reformation (revolt)
where does scripture say yo have a reformation? where does scripture say the truth and the church can be reformed?
Of course we all have earthly fathers and the fathers of the old testament but now we have one father if born again into a new relationship of the spiritual and that is our father above and we already have eternal life and everything of the inheritance of Jesus is also ours as we have a co-inheritance but a Catholic priest is a father to nobody just a false teaching of a corrupt organisation.
 
She also was surprised, she fed Saul, she KNEW what demons were.

If you would go to a psychic you would expect to pay them a fee for a set period of time with them, You would not expect them to be surprised at what entity shows up, and you definitely would not expect them, to provide an expensive feast for you. Her reaction is way out of line unless she encountered something or someone she did not expect, and an entity far closer to divine, like a true prophet, would fit.

R, you are supposing that some of the chapter is correct and some of it is not. She called Samuel up from the bottomless pit, and not from heaven.
This individual is not the Savior's Samuel; the one in heaven with Jesus Christ. No, the Savior's Samuel would come down from heaven. Furthermore, the Savior is in charge of his prophets. And if Jesus is not answering Saul, then nither would Samuel answer Saul.

No, she was speaking to demons pretending to be saints.

And you are saying that she killed the calf during that night, and cooked for Saul and his people. Like, she now has to not only talk to Saul, but also feed him. Something is wrong with this picture.
 
Might I suggest that if you want to understand that the Bible is saying that you put a little effort is and do not try to use a PIS translation to justify your feeble understamdimgs.

R, continue to believe fairy tales if you wish. Samuel did not come up from the earth as the demons do.

And, I do not know the PIS translation. I do know; however, when a story has some profound errors. Samuel did not visit with this woman against the Savior's wishes.

Babies drink the milk, but let's be grownups here, the Savior's prophets do not hang out with false gods.
 
You can be a Catholic and be saved.

Some people will say you cannot but you can be saved.

If you can break in to heaven of your own ability and dwell there untouched then you can be saved.

Let me explain why you cannot be saved.

The 7 Churches in Revelation is a prophesy of how the Church age will be in popular influence.

Which the Roman Catholic is in there which the Bible calls her the synagogue of Satan.

And now we are at the last Church age where there are many hypocrites and lovers of money.

Which God said they are lukewarm and He will spue them out of His mouth.

And they are wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked.

It is obvious when the Roman Empire embraced Christianity they did not get rid of their pagan and occult ways and it became their foundation for interpreting scripture.

They call the Pope Holy Father.

But the man Christ Jesus said to a man why call me good but only God is good.

And call no man on earth father who claims to be operating in a spiritual sense for only God is our Father.

So it is a double whammy on the part of the Pope.

Also God said He does not give His glory to another so they cannot exalt the Pope as well as Mary who they call the Queen of heaven.

This is a grave error.

They say the Pope is the head of the visible Church but only Christ is the head of the Church.

They honor Mary but Jesus said whoever does the will of God the same is His mother, brethren, and sisters.

A woman said blessed is the woman who gave birth to you but Jesus said yea rather blessed is he that hears the word of God and does it.

Jesus did not exalt Mary and put her in the same boat as all the saints.

Jesus said born of women there is none greater than John the Baptist but they put Mary above all the saints.

They cannot honor Mary like that and they like to exalt certain saints.

Because of their pagan and occult foundation the other religions have a female deity so they have to have one too.

The mediator between God and men is the man Christ Jesus.

But they have priests that mediate between the person and God which makes their confession obsolete.

Also they call the priests father another double whammy on the part of the priests.

They have many works they do having them jump through hoops thinking they have a bearing on being right with God.

But the Bible says love works no ill towards their neighbor therefore love is the fulfilling of the law

So their works have no effect and not approved of by God.

Jesus addressed the Pharisees about this behavior towards the saints and it was wrong.

They say that tradition is equal to the word of God but Jesus told the Pharisees that they make the word of God of none effect.

The Bible warns that some shall depart from the faith and follow a belief system that is of seducing spirits and doctrines of devils.

Which the time will come that people will not want to hear the truth of the Bible but according to their own lusts.

Which will be when the antichrist pushes his agenda of a false interpretation of the Bible with all religions interpreted the same.

The Bible says the Roman Empire will not lose their dominion until Jesus puts down the world.

Which they will devour the world, tread upon it, and break it in pieces.

Which will be by way of their false Christianity that influences the world.

The Pope and Vatican will go by that false Christianity as the truth giving support to the antichrist.

Which the Pope will be head of a unified religious system Mystery Babylon representing all religions.

Which the Bible says Babylon will never have physical dominion again but her life was prolonged for a time and season.

So the antichrist system is Babylon in spirit for she represents human religion, the occult, and the kingdom of man.

So I would say stay away from the Catholic Church for their beliefs and ways are not right and will be the deceiver along with the antichrist pushing a false christianity when God is ready to end sin on earth.

T, that is a lot of stuff to unpack. Please state your strongest point in one or two sentences. If you are right, then I will give you a thumbs up.
 
R, continue to believe fairy tales if you wish. Samuel did not come up from the earth as the demons do.

And, I do not know the PIS translation. I do know; however, when a story has some profound errors. Samuel did not visit with this woman against the Savior's wishes.

Babies drink the milk, but let's be grownups here, the Savior's prophets do not hang out with false gods.
Would you care to hold to you supposed translation of "Elohim" as Mormon missionaries in other places? I mean really, the Hebrew word is used a lot in the OT. We can start with the first use of "Elohim", "In the beginning, Mormon missionaries created the heavens and the earth".

I agree that babies drink milk, they also adjust scripture to fit what they wish to be true, often out of ignorance of what is actually being said, or else because they do not want to believe what is being said.
 
Would you care to hold to you supposed translation of "Elohim" as Mormon missionaries in other places? I mean really, the Hebrew word is used a lot in the OT. We can start with the first use of "Elohim", "In the beginning, Mormon missionaries created the heavens and the earth".

I agree that babies drink milk, they also adjust scripture to fit what they wish to be true, often out of ignorance of what is actually being said, or else because they do not want to believe what is being said.

R, can you explain the PIS translation that you referenced? I have never heard of that before.

I understand that you do not read the metaphors, similes, types and shadows, etc. And that is okay.
 
I was called by the Father to follow Jesus Christ, not a church, or men.
I want zero to do with Rome ---- zero!!

Just to make it clear, I want nothing to do with what I call the 45,000 flavors of confusion called christianity that follow Rome's pagan false doctrines.
going rouge! typical!

don't bother to explain the scripture that says Christ and His church are one unity!

and members of Christ are members of the church He established!

no one has a private covenant with God or a personal savior!

thks
 
Faith, I follow Jesus Christ and HIM ONLY

I keep the same days as Christ, the same Commandments --- the same Torah
It is the FEW that follow Christ and are His, I am of the few and not of the MANY that Christ does not know!
you also have a temple with animal sacrifices?

the apostolic church possesses the authority of Christ Jn 20:21-23 in union with Christ mt 28:20 eph 5:24 eph 5:32 with His command to teach and sanctify all men! mt 28:19

how do you fulfill these?

apostles have the same authority as Christ! Jn 13:20 Jn 20:21-23 heb 3:1

Lk 10:16
He who hears you hears me...

John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

Lk 22:29
29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;

Romans 1:5
By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:

acts 1:8 my witnesses


Acts 2:42
And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

Acts 2:43
And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles.

Acts 4:33
And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.

Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

Jn 21:17 feed my sheep:

Heb 13:7 Remember them which have the rule over you, (apostles) who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation.

Heb 13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, (apostles) and submit yourselves: for they care for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

1 Tim 1:2 Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.

Gal 4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you

1 John 2
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not.

That makes Paul and John spiritual fathers, pastors of our souls!

Obedience of the faithful Christians or spiritual anarchy of the fundamentalists!

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Faith, I follow Jesus Christ and HIM ONLY

I keep the same days as Christ, the same Commandments --- the same Torah
It is the FEW that follow Christ and are His, I am of the few and not of the MANY that Christ does not know!
Christians must be taught or instructed, according to the sense which the perpetual consent of the Catholic Church hath held and expressed, as commanded by Christ! Matt 28:19-20 acts 1:1-8

Jesus Christ founded the new covenant church to teach and sanctify (baptize) all men unto eternal salvation! (Matt 28:19)

The Holy Spirit leads the apostles into all truth (Jn 16:13) they must teach us! (Matt 28:19)

Lk 1:4
Matt 5:14
Matt 6:33
matt 16:18-19
matt 18:17-18
Matt 28:19
Lk 10:16
Jn 20:21
Acts 2:42
Acts 16:17
Acts 8:31
Titus 1:9
Titus 2:12
Phil 4:9
1 tim 3:15
Colossians 2:7
Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught…

No Christian has the authority to read scripture for yourself and decide your own doctrines or beliefs! “One faith” Eph 4:5 Thee faith once handed to the saints” Jude 1:3

Our Holy Religion "truth & the church" are revealed by God and have a divine origin and cannot be reformed, they are immutable!

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Faith, I follow Jesus Christ and HIM ONLY

I keep the same days as Christ, the same Commandments --- the same Torah
It is the FEW that follow Christ and are His, I am of the few and not of the MANY that Christ does not know!
The church is an extension of Christ!

Mt 16:18-19 Jn 10:16 Gal 4:16
one true church!

Lk 10:16
Jn 13:20
matt 6:33
matt 16:18-19
matt 18:17
matt 28:19
Jn 20:21-23
acts 1:8
acts 2:42
acts 16:17
acts 17:18
the apostolic church commanded to teach, sanctify, and govern!
same ministry, power, and authority as Christ!

If you believe scripture you would believe the teaching of the apostolic church which alone possesses the authority of Jesus Christ in union with Jesus Christ! matt 28:19-20 matt 16:18:19 Jn 20:21-23 acts 1:1-8

Christ is the light! (Truth)
Jn 8:12

The church he founded is also the light as an extension and command of Christ! Matt 5:14

Christ is the teacher!
Heb 1:1-3

The church He founded is also our teacher as an extension and command of Christ! Matt 18:17

Christ is the truth!
Jn 14:6

Must Hear Christ!
matt 3:17

Must hear the Church!
Matt 18:17 matt 28:19 acts 1:8

The church He founded is also the pillar of truth as an extension and command of Christ! 1 tim 3:15

The gates of hell SHALL NOT prevail against the one, holy, Catholics,
& apostolic church founded by Christ on peter and the apostles!
Matt 16:18-19

Jesus Christ founded the new covenant church to teach & sanctify all men unto eternal salvation of all men! matt 28:19-20

Christ and His church are one: Acts 9:4 mystical communion: eph 5:32


Ephesians 3:10
To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

Ephesians 3:21
Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.

1 John 4:6
We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

2 John 1:12
Having many things to write unto you, I would not write with paper and ink: but I trust to come unto you, and speak face to face, that our joy may be full.

1 Timothy 3:15
But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

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