It is so nice to see SOME HUMOR here. Twice I have hit the funny face in less than a minute.
Can Christ disobey the command given by the LORD?
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Reread my post.
I can explain it for you, but unfortunately I can't comprehend it for you.
THANK you, I would be thankful if you would explain it and even more if you would give a yes to the correct question with explanation AS THAT is what would be the thing NEEDED TO HELP ME COMPREHEND. HOW else am I to learn and understand. God gives us truths so that we pass it on to others and that is why we are here, correct?
Did you read post 67? Can I look forward to an answer?
Here they are again hopefully worded a bit better
In the PRE TRIB DOCTRINE, in Revelation 4, some how 'THE CHURCH' is seen as being in heaven, IS THIS a CORRECT statement? If it is not a correct statement, could you put forth the one that would be?
IF so, is it the HEAVEN of 95ad as in the time JOHN would have seen it and HAS THE 'pre trib rapture' already taken place?
Or is it the HEAVEN of the Lords Day in which the TRIBULATION would have taken place?
Or is it HEAVEN before the TRIBULATION in which 'the 7 churches' have been raptured and the war is taking place?
Or is it Heaven BEFORE CHRIST EVEN LEFT to come to the earth in the flesh?
I got the impression when you brought up the 7 lampstands in heaven you were saying those where the 7 churches "as raptured" and my question was is
is 'the church' pre trib raptured as ' the BODY of Christ' or 7 separate 'bodies/lampstands'?
actually, no God doesn't us truths so that we pass it on to others. Jesus said HE is the only truth in John 14: 6.
Something they have been given the exclusive truth that no one else knew. The Truth of God's word far exceeds the "US" truth.
Do you think this is written for one generation of people only? The 'pre trib' one?
OR do you believe that ALL who have been saved and have found forgiveness through the Blood of the Lamb for the past 2000 years should have lived their lives in readiness ALSO, waiting for our Lord to show up from 'a wedding or a long journey' when their FLESH BODY DIED knowing that THERE IS NO MORE TIME TO EITHER REPENT OR WORK once that day comes and to be found in the best possible shape for the JUDGMENT to come?
Do you see Satan being cast to earth as 'GODS WRATH' or do you see the 'vials being poured out' as GODS WRATH?
If you see Satan being cast to earth as GODS WRATH then wouldn't Gods wrath be falling on the TWO WITNESSES God just sent? You do believe those two witnesses are a part of the HOLY SPIRIT FILLED CHURCH as they FOR SURE believe in Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ don't you?
not angry at all
and not causing strife. But If you read your own comment I was in fact agreeing with you."I would be thankful if you would explain it and even more if you would give a yes to the correct question with explanation AS THAT is what would be the thing NEEDED TO HELP ME COMPREHEND. "
As I was saying many of US look to others to give us comprehension of the word of God. If you did not see that sorry
please continue without me Whenever I feel 'little fiery darts' coming at me, I take it as GOD SAYING LOOK deeper INTO MY WORDS to find MY TRUTH and kick your feelings to the curb. So I did and
THIS IS WHY I COULD NOT COMPREHEND WHAT YOU HAD PUT FORTH AS GODS TRUTH
Revelation 1:20
the mystery of the seven stars which you saw on the right hand of Me, and the seven lampstands golden The seven stars angels of the seven churches are and the lampstands seven, seven churches are
3087. luchnia ►
Strong's Concordance
luchnia: a lampstand
Original Word: λυχνία, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: luchnia
Phonetic Spelling: (lookh-nee'-ah)
Definition: a lampstand
Usage: a lamp-stand.
4:20 And out of the throne come flashes of lightning and voices and thunderings And seven lamps of fire burning before the throne which are the seven spirits of God
2985. lampas ►
Strong's Concordance
lampas: a torch
Original Word: λαμπάς, άδος, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: lampas
Phonetic Spelling: (lam-pas')
Definition: a torch
Usage: a torch, lamp, lantern.
HELPS Word-studies
2985 lampás – a hand-held "torch" (sometimes merely a clay vessel); a lamp that uses a wick saturated with oil.
THE TRUTH WE ARE SEEKING IS ACTUALLY FOUND HERE
Revelation 1:4 John TO THE SEVEN CHURCHES which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, FROM HIM which is, and which was, and which is to come; AND FROM THE SEVEN SPIRITS which are before HIS THRONE
Isaiah 11:1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:
2 And
The SPIRIT OF THE LORD shall rest upon Him,
THE SPIRIT OF WISDOM
AND UNDERSTANDING,
THE SPIRIT OF COUNSEL
AND MIGHT,
THE SPIRIT OF KNOWLEDGE
AND THE FEAR OF THE LORD.
3 AND SHALL MAKE HIM OF QUICK UNDERSTANDING in the fear of the LORD: and He shall not judge after the sight of His eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of His ears:
4 But with righteousness shall He judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and He shall smite the earth: with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.
5 And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.
6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.
10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.
11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.
Did you know that there is not ONE prophecy that even hints at a pre trib rapture? NOT ONE.
not angry at all
"I would be thankful if you would explain it and even more if you would give a yes to the correct question with explanation AS THAT is what would be the thing NEEDED TO HELP ME COMPREHEND. "
As I was saying many of US look to others to give us comprehension of the word of God. If you did not see that sorry
DOES THIS say anything LIKE THAT^????
actually, no God doesn't us truths so that we pass it on to others. Jesus said HE is the only truth in John 14: 6.
Something they have been given the exclusive truth that no one else knew. The Truth of God's word far exceeds the "US" truth.
Where is the "many of us look to others" to be found here? Where is there any agreement?
AM I HAVING A PROBLEM WITH MY READING AND COMPREHENSION or not? Am I not receiving your full posts?
The war in heaven is finished, the adversary was cast down to earth a long time ago with one third of the fallen angels....The next phase coming soon will be Christ's return followed by judgement and the establishment of Kingdom of God forever.
Christ would never disobey the father, never.
Bless,
JF
Jude 1:5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.
6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.
9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.
11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.
12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;
13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.
14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
Remember what happened when the 'angels' were here on earth before.
GIANTS. That alone tells you it is IMPOSSIBLE for Satan and his angels to have been kicked out long ago.
Another thing that tells us that Satan and his angels have not been kicked out is WE have A MEDIATOR for
Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
Another thing about Satan and his angels having been kicked out is we know Christs return destroys him and at Christs return ALL THE ALIVE AND REMAINING ARE CHANGED SO there wouldn't be any babies born since we would be like the angels.
ALSO, when Christ returns
1 Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
Long line of events that PREVENT that from taking place before its time.
I don't want to overwhelm, just give a couple reasons why 'THE ADVERSARY' couldn't have showed up long ago.
I am sorry you are so confused, may i ask your approximate age? and how long you have been reading the bible? It would help me answering properly, i do not mean to be insulting with these questions.
bless JF
bless JF
Approx 30 of those sentences are Gods words. Approx 5 were mine. What part seems to be 'confused' to you? Tell me what you believe those verses say if you believe something different. I could be 30 and super blessed or I could be 60 and super slow how would EITHER of those things change WHAT IS WRITTEN?
Posthuman pretty much wrote it all; proof through proper scriptures in the proper context that satan has fallen. You might not know that in many prophecy there is a dual meaning and that events are set in 2 different time period.
if you have specific questions i will certainly help if i know the answer. As for the question from this thread i already answered.
May the lord guide you to the truth.
Bless
JF.
Would you agree or disagree?
Job 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?
9 When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it,
10 And brake up for it my decreed place, and set bars and doors,
11 And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed?
12 Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; and caused the dayspring to know his place;
13 That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?
14 It is turned as clay to the seal; and they stand as a garment.
Ezekiel 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.
24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.
25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.
26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.
27 For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.
28 For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black; because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it.
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven.
and the earth.
(and iniquity was found in him)
Genesis 1:2 And the earth HAYAH without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep.
And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Genesis 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
Genesis 28:12 And he dreamed, and behold a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven: and behold the angels of God ascending and descending on it.
13 And, behold, the LORD stood above it, and said, I am the LORD God of Abraham thy father, and the God of Isaac: the land whereon thou liest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed;
14 And thy seed shall be as the dust of the earth, and thou shalt spread abroad to the west, and to the east, and to the north, and to the south: and in thee and in thy seed shall all the families of the earth be blessed.
This is the only answer i will give to you on this topic;
Matthew 4;
7Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
8Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; 9And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. 10Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. 11Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.
JF