Do you think faith in God is racial? It seems to me that Jews do not understand salvation by faith as gentiles do, and gentiles do not understand acting for the Lord as Jews do, but it is cultural and not racial I thought.
Can people be a Christian and a Karaite Jew simultaneously?
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The Bible is filled with stories of saved & unsaved Jews & Gentiles and a mix of the two, the samaritans. I think that covers most of humanity. The Jews ran into trouble when they refused to embrace their mission.
Isaiah 49:6- He says, "It is too small a thing that You should be My Servant To raise up the tribes of Jacob and to restore the preserved ones of Israel; I will also make You a light of the nations So that My salvation may reach to the end of the earth."
Abraham was a gentile.
{“The story is told of a man who came eagerly, but very late, to a revival meeting and found the workmen tearing down the tent in which the meetings had been held. Frantic at missing the evangelist, he decided to ask one of the workers what he could do to be saved. The workman, who was a Christian, replied, “You can’t do anything. It’s too late.” Horrified, the man said, “What do you mean? How can it be too late?” “The work has already been accomplished,” he was told. “There is nothing you need to do but believe it.”
Every person lives by faith. When we open a can of food or drink a glass of water we trust that it is not contaminated. When we go across a bridge we trust it to support us. When we put our money in the bank we trust it will be safe. Life is a constant series of acts of faith. No human being, no matter how skeptical and self–reliant, could live a day without exercising faith.
Church membership, baptism, confirmation, giving to charity, and being a good neighbor have no power to bring salvation. Nor does taking Communion, keeping the Ten Commandments, or living by the Sermon on the Mount. The only thing a person can do that will have any part in salvation is to exercise faith in what Jesus Christ has done for him.}(Borrowed)
As far as having faith, atheists Christians, Muslims.... all religions have faith, even babies. It is not faith, per se, that saves anyone, it is the “object” of that faith. What is our faith in? It must be based in reality, not in wishful thinking, or even sincerity. One can be sincerely wrong as well as sincerely right.
Every person lives by faith. When we open a can of food or drink a glass of water we trust that it is not contaminated. When we go across a bridge we trust it to support us. When we put our money in the bank we trust it will be safe. Life is a constant series of acts of faith. No human being, no matter how skeptical and self–reliant, could live a day without exercising faith.
Church membership, baptism, confirmation, giving to charity, and being a good neighbor have no power to bring salvation. Nor does taking Communion, keeping the Ten Commandments, or living by the Sermon on the Mount. The only thing a person can do that will have any part in salvation is to exercise faith in what Jesus Christ has done for him.}(Borrowed)
As far as having faith, atheists Christians, Muslims.... all religions have faith, even babies. It is not faith, per se, that saves anyone, it is the “object” of that faith. What is our faith in? It must be based in reality, not in wishful thinking, or even sincerity. One can be sincerely wrong as well as sincerely right.
Jews believe they are doing things FOR God. They still have the vail over their hearts and minds.
Christians already understand that God is with them EVERYWHERE they go. We don't do work FOR God. God does work in us and this causes us to do works WITH God.
Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
John 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
This is Gods Way. The Way of Faith and not working at the law.
Galatians 3:24-26
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
NayborBear
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Are not the words in bold the same confirmation/s that lemmings inquire from each other, as they are heading for the cliffs?
NayborBear
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But, Grandpa. What about children that refuse to grow up?
Matthew 7
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the WILL OF MY FATHER which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
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Why did you leave the last part of the verse?
The part where Jesus said HE NEVER KNEW THEM?
NayborBear
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Non of that mattersBecause? I'm not Jesus! And? That DAY? Is not COME......YET!
The fact he said I NEVER KNEW YOU is very important.
it signifies he NEVER had a relationship with them (ie, they were never saved)
NayborBear you know as well as I do that no one receives anything unless it is given from Heaven.
No one can do the Will of God unless they rest in and abide in Christ. It is the Holy Spirit that does the Will of God not the pride and arrogance of men.
NayborBear
Banned Serpent Seed Heresy
So, what you are saying, is that it is impossible to teach with compassion, without coming off as prideful, arrogant, or condescending?
Just wonder how many people back in the Disciples and Apostles days, like Paul, and John, off the top of my head here, weren't seen as prideful or arrogant, when they referred to people as "little children", or that Paul couldn't give people nothing but, milk, as they weren't able to handle meat?
Oh!...that's right! They could do miracles! That was there "credibility factor", so to speak?
But, ever since then? No one? No miracles? No credibility! Right?
Interesting!
You scold about humans acting for the Lord saying it is using human will. Now you are posting to act, but how would a person act if they listened to you, because that action would have to come through the arms, legs, mind, and body that is flesh. You post against law and against humans for they are made of flesh.
How would a person act only through Christ and act without using any of his will? In order for God to direct that will a person would have to use his earthly mind to hear or read what God's will is, and besides God's will is put into what scripture calls law and you are against law.
How would a person act only through Christ and act without using any of his will? In order for God to direct that will a person would have to use his earthly mind to hear or read what God's will is, and besides God's will is put into what scripture calls law and you are against law.
Blik, why do you do this? Why do you take what others write, filter it through your beliefs, and churn it out looking completely different? I don't ask because I'm trying to attack you; rather, I'm trying to help you. You twist what others say... consistently. You read "X" and then ask why they believe "Q"... there is little relationship between what others write regarding their beliefs, and what you accuse them of believing.
I don't believe that Christians are under the law (as given through Moses). You read that and conclude that I want to toss out the law, when I have said nothing of the sort. It's difficult to have a rational conversation with you because of this. How about taking at face value what others write instead of re-interpreting it?
You make statements, and when I repeat the very same thing you say "why do you do that". You say we aren't under the law, but when I say you think we aren't under the law it is somehow changed!! Either people are told by God to obey the law or they are told by God that they don't have to. It is as simple as that. You make statements about what you believe about it. When God gave law to Moses, God wrote it with God's very finger, it was given by God. God is love and every single one of those laws are a way of expressing love. It isn't rocket science, it is straight forward, plain talk between God and humans.
You think you are going to teach me better things than people who have devoted years of scripture work, history of bible times work, recognized and acclaimed scholars, but you say you beat them all for knowing what God wants and means to humans. And out of the kindness of your heart you teach me that we aren't under the law, the kind that God wrote with His finger that expresses love in this world.
Explain how the law detailing how a woman is tested for marital faithfulness (Numbers 5) is an expression of love.
You did it again. Unbelievable....
If you think I wrote what is in bold text, or anything remotely like it, then quote me. When you realize that you can't, perhaps you will see that you have just proven my point... perfectly.
"I don't believe that Christians are under the law (as given through Moses). You read that and conclude that I want to toss out the law, when I have said nothing of the sort rather, I'm trying to help you."
These are quotes from you posts, and I have underlined what I am responding to.
I must say that I do understand your interpretation of your statement "as given through Moses". I had such a problem with Paul over that I devoted many months, determined to find the answer. God does not contradict himself ever, yet I found statements that we were to listen to Moses and statements that we weren't. It is absolutely true that, as Paul defined the law of Moses, (and I can give proof texts about this) there is no contradiction. But my proof texts are in history books that professors of ancient history wrote who work for Yale and Harvard giving history of the times of Paul. I got the books from the library and didn't write the names of the books or authors, never imagining I would come across a person with your belief system to need to prove something to.
God is not mocked, God is completely trustworthy. Every word of scripture is truth, there is nothing that contradicts any other statement.
This was interesting and a challenge, so I looked it up. All of Num. 5 is dealing with uncleanliness. Some NT verses would be in 1 Cor. 5: 9 to 13.
To understand OT scripture requires some knowledge of the culture of the people God used in telling us of His ways. The people in Numbers were wandering in the wilderness far from home, and lived in the culture of the far east. Killing a wife for adultery, for some was considered OK. Sometimes innocent wives were killed by jealous husbands. God wanted a stop put to that. The idea was that women could not be falsely accused, but going to God was to find the truth about the adultery.
We are told to go to the Holy Spirit that has now been given to all, and not to go to rituals.
You have intentionally corrupted my words. Here's what I wrote, verbatim (Post 255):
"Why do you take what others write, filter it through your beliefs, and churn it out looking completely different? I don't ask because I'm trying to attack you; rather, I'm trying to help you."
Here's what you claim that I wrote, again quoted verbatim (Post 259):
You took one part of my post and put it together with a different part, making it look like I wrote something that I didn't actually write. That's fraudulent and dishonest.
Perhaps you consider it inconsequential to misrepresent the words of others. I consider it lying. I see no reason to believe anything you say about Scripture when you don't even treat my words with integrity.
"Why do you take what others write, filter it through your beliefs, and churn it out looking completely different? I don't ask because I'm trying to attack you; rather, I'm trying to help you."
Here's what you claim that I wrote, again quoted verbatim (Post 259):
You took one part of my post and put it together with a different part, making it look like I wrote something that I didn't actually write. That's fraudulent and dishonest.
But you aren't.
Perhaps you consider it inconsequential to misrepresent the words of others. I consider it lying. I see no reason to believe anything you say about Scripture when you don't even treat my words with integrity.