Paul wrote the Epistle of Philemon circa 61 A.D.
Paul wrote the 2 Timothy Epistle in 67 A.D.
Can Salvation be lost?
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Paul wrote the Epistle of Philemon circa 61 A.D.
Paul wrote the 2 Timothy Epistle in 67 A.D.
Nope, it's all been a farce. Good News is actually #fakenews.
(sarcasm intended)
I think I found the problem.
I believe your heart is in the right place.
I am not saying all spiritual visions and dreams are not of God, I have never saw your testimonies regarding them so I got nothing to say about that.
What I can say with 100% certainty is that the Gospel is clearly found and proclaimed on the pages of Scripture and in the mouths of the saints throughout history. It is not some hidden treasure that God reveals to you.
The reason it matters is: Jesus said He would not lose ANY of His sheep. This is the most serious matter. Before you start preaching the Gospel, make sure you know it through and through.
I think that you can be saved, but then backslide into not even thinking about God. You keep saying no God, no God, I don't want anything to do with you God. At that point they don't love or want a relationship with God. That doesn't mean that God can't bring them back, but I think that they can fall away. If you are a person is seeking God, asked Hik into their heart, has a relationship with Him, but bad things happen or they fight their sins and mess up, God isn't gonna abandon them in a ditch. I know there is blaspheming the Holy Spirit, which it says in the Bible that God won't forgive that. But as my pastor always said, if you're following the Lord then you're not gonna go against the Holy Spirit.
So as far as their salvation, God knows. But all I can say is that we will all fall into the hands of a merciful, but powerful Lord.
So as far as their salvation, God knows. But all I can say is that we will all fall into the hands of a merciful, but powerful Lord.
Is it that nobody is saying Blessed is he that comes in the name of the LORD?
Okay, so the Gospel is clearly found and proclaimed on the pages of the scriptures, then can you explain the passage in Matt 7:6
But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. 1 Cor 2:10:
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: John 10:27
What was said is correct, also when a person does fall they have an advocate with the father. God is not in two mindsets about his children.
Well if you confine the things to behavours and acts then i agree with the minister..
One can fall away from salvation by throwing away their own savation by coming to disbelieve Jesus and ceasing to trust in the Atonement He secured for their eternal salvation..
So loss of salvation is not about Behavour and Acts it is about the loss of Belief and Trust.
Those who embrace the message of God as truth will not run to engage in sin in a carte blanche way. If a person believes Jesus then they believe God and so they believe sin is wrong and so they try to resist sin, and when they do sin they never seek to justify it but acknowledge it before God as being sin.
Salvation is base oN believe. Whosoever believe Will be save. Can man change his mind? I do, when I was kid I like toy, now I change, I No longer like toy
as long AS man believe he save, If he change his mind and No longer believe, he lost his salvation
as long AS man believe he save, If he change his mind and No longer believe, he lost his salvation
Yes, salvation can be lost if one is not careful to obey God. Paul said he makes his body submit to him so that, even though he preached to many others, he himself wouldn't get disqualified for the prize.
But it let me show you with even one verse. The Bible says "If you sin willfully there no longer remains a sacrifice for your sins." So this is speaking of a person who was saved, but started using Christ's blood as a license to sin purposely (premeditated without effort or goal to stop), and God no longer allowed Christ's sacrifice to cover their sins- because they were hustling God.
So they will now have to get into heaven by their own name and on their own merit- which must be perfectly flawless. One sin keeps you out of heaven if not covered by Christ's blood, and since everyone falls short, he lost his salvation because he lost Christ's sacrifice on his behalf. He is a prodigal who needs to come back to the Father and do it right.
For did the prodigal son represent someone who is saved? No- that father said "My son was dead but is now alive." And since the son did not die physically, we know he meant he was dead spiritually before he came back to the father. If you physically die in a prodigal state, your fate is sealed forever.
Mark 13
33 Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.
34 For the Son of Man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.
35 Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:
36 Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping.
37 And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.
seem to me this parable warn to keep watch, If we can lost our salvation why Jesus warn us to keep watch?
33 Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.
34 For the Son of Man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.
35 Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:
36 Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping.
37 And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.
seem to me this parable warn to keep watch, If we can lost our salvation why Jesus warn us to keep watch?
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Depends on how you define salvation.
1. Eternal life?
2. Right relationship with God?
3. Adoption as God's beloved child?
1. I would like to believe I will spend eternity with God,but i know that I deserve tell. Only by His mercy and grace am I forgiven. If at the end of my life, God doesn't let me into heaven, then it is no more than I deserve.
However I have faith in Jesus and what He has done for me. I believe my sins are forgiven and God accepts me.
If I am wrong, then I will learn soon enough after death.
2. If I sin then my "right relationship with God" is lost. My light is put out...I mix salt with my water and would be more of a curse than a life giving drink.
In that way I believe "salvation" can be lost. When we sin we need to confess and repent and be restored to a right relationship with God.
If someone dies in sin,will they go to hell? I believe the Old testament says they will. Does it apply to the new covenant? I don't know.
What I believe is that God will place people and things in His children's lives to chasten and correct them when they sin. What happens if they did unrepentant sinners?
I don't know, but I don't really want to test it just to find out.
3. God will never in adult someone. Once we are accepted into God's family it's eternal.
Does that mean it's an automatic free ticket to heaven?
Do all kids inherit?
What is the difference between Isaac and Ishmael? Jacob and Esau?
1. Eternal life?
2. Right relationship with God?
3. Adoption as God's beloved child?
1. I would like to believe I will spend eternity with God,but i know that I deserve tell. Only by His mercy and grace am I forgiven. If at the end of my life, God doesn't let me into heaven, then it is no more than I deserve.
However I have faith in Jesus and what He has done for me. I believe my sins are forgiven and God accepts me.
If I am wrong, then I will learn soon enough after death.
2. If I sin then my "right relationship with God" is lost. My light is put out...I mix salt with my water and would be more of a curse than a life giving drink.
In that way I believe "salvation" can be lost. When we sin we need to confess and repent and be restored to a right relationship with God.
If someone dies in sin,will they go to hell? I believe the Old testament says they will. Does it apply to the new covenant? I don't know.
What I believe is that God will place people and things in His children's lives to chasten and correct them when they sin. What happens if they did unrepentant sinners?
I don't know, but I don't really want to test it just to find out.
3. God will never in adult someone. Once we are accepted into God's family it's eternal.
Does that mean it's an automatic free ticket to heaven?
Do all kids inherit?
What is the difference between Isaac and Ishmael? Jacob and Esau?
1 Co 6:19-20
19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
KJV
When you sell a car, once the title changes hands you can't undo the transaction.
Jesus cannot be Savior without being Lord. Lord means owner. Once you are His you are His forever.
Salvation is Jesus. It is the English translation of His name. The Gospel is the power of God {unto---bringing you to} Salvation (Jesus).
Salvation does indeed produce works; but they are His works!
no amount of works can produce Salvation.
Salvation is Jesus; it is the English translation of His name.
The scripture in your post is quite enlightening. It's hard to ignore. Yet no one in this thread is discussing it. I find that perplexing.
Edit: For some reason I got an error message when I tried to quote your whole post. So here is a link to it: LINK
People tend to confuse DESCRIPTIVE passages of Scripture with PRESCRIPTIVE passages of Scripture. 1 Corinthians 15:1,2 - Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you--unless you believed in vain.
To believe in vain is to believe without cause or without effect, to no purpose. If, as some are saying in Corinth, there is no resurrection, then faith is vain and worthless (vs. 14). The people who fail to hold fast to the word (the gospel) that Paul preached in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, demonstrated that they "believed in vain" (did not truly believe). Which explains why people fail to hold fast to the gospel/endure to the end.
1 John 5:4 - For whatever is born of God overcomes the world; and this is the victory that has overcome the world - our faith.