Can someone lose their salvation?

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Actually if you are saved and sealed....it is pretty much hard to lose your salvation, because you want God. If you want God and seek Christ.....seems like your being lead to be sealed by Christ.

in Matthew 24:24 it says, For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if [it were] possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

When Jesus says it like that, it makes it sound that it is pretty much impossible for a true follower, and a true Christian to actually go against Christ Himself. So as a believer, God is going to try to seal you in Him by the heart and spirit and everything else that He does.....I can call this LOVE...and it is beautiful.

God bless
 
Actually if you are saved and sealed....it is pretty much hard to lose your salvation, because you want God. If you want God and seek Christ.....seems like your being lead to be sealed by Christ.

in Matthew 24:24 it says, For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if [it were] possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

When Jesus says it like that, it makes it sound that it is pretty much impossible for a true follower, and a true Christian to actually go against Christ Himself. So as a believer, God is going to try to seal you in Him by the heart and spirit and everything else that He does.....I can call this LOVE...and it is beautiful.

God bless

i love The Gospel of John.

Matthew presents Jesus as The King of Israel.
Mark as The Perfect Servant.
Luke as The Perfect Man
and John presents Jesus as GOD:)


John 10:7
So Jesus again said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep.

John 10:9
I am the door. If anyone enters by me, he will be saved and will go in and out and find pasture.

John 10:28
I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand.

:)
 
Originally Posted by MaggieMye
"A person who has true faith will never depart. Scripture is clear on this matter." Yes scripture is clear: you CAN lose your faith AND your salvationHeb 6: 4For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit,

5and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame.
THOSE THAT OVERCOME WILL NOT LOSE THEIR FAITH:Revelation 3:5
' He who overcomes will thus be clothed in white garments; and I will not erase his name from the book of life, and I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.
:) great verses!

These are good verses but have nothing to do with losing salvation that has been guaranteed through faith in the promise of God. Do you think that God gives His promise of salvation conditionally to those who believe? He promised that His blood would take away the sins of the world, did it do that or does He have to be sacrificed and shed His blood over and over again? To believe upon Christ's perfect work of the cross makes us positionally perfect before a perfect and holy God, if it did not we would never be accepted in the beloved by His grace (Eph 1:6). When we believe by faith in Christ's finished work our faith is not only exercised in that which is perfect but our faith is perfect because it has been imparted to us through the gospel and we are born again and become a new creature in Christ because we believe. Old things pass away and all things become new or do we have to keep believing over and over again until we finally overcome?

IJn 5:4,5 4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. 5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

This is an act of faith on our part that has continuous action. We believe upon the Lord and we are saved instantly with no probation to see if we are going to be able to keep believing or even bear fruit. The fruit of our faith is what God does to us and in us when we believe and that becomes our permanent standing before God. Now is the time of salvation, the moment we believe, not some later time after we have proven ourself to be worthy. We qualify for God's saving grace by being a sinner and not a righteous person and we are maintained by that grace even if we sin after we believe. Grace does not teach us to sin or to continue in sin but is imparted to us when we sin so that we can stop and not continue in it. In this process of learning how to receive and grow in grace we never forfeit what God had imputed to us when we believed. We are children and we are growing and we fall but are not utterly cast down (Ps 37:24, Rom 5:2, 14:4, 1Pt 5:12).

If you want to teach believers that they can forfeit what God has given them by promise when they believe, which includes the Holy Spirit, being conceived of the incorruptible seed of the word, God's imputed righteousness, salvation by grace, forgiveness and cleansing of sin and the work of redemption that God promised to perform unto the day of the redemption of their body, go right ahead and that will be on you. If you want to teach believers to fear sin so much that they never learn how to grow in grace and knowledge of Christ and never learn just how merciful God is toward those that sin or make mistakes and utterly fall, go ahead but God is able to save them to the uttermost (Heb 7:25).
 
IJn 5:4,5 4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. 5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

and there you have it. how do we overcome?

Matthew 9:2
Some men brought to him a paralytic, lying on a mat. When Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralytic, "Take heart, son; your sins are forgiven."

1 John 2:13
I write to you, fathers, because you have known him who is from the beginning. I write to you, young men, because you have overcome the evil one. I write to you, dear children, because you have known the Father.

by trusting in the One Who overcame the world.

John 16:33
"I have told you these things, so that in me you may have peace. In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world."

Matthew 14:26
But immediately Jesus spoke to them, saying, “Take heart; it is I. Do not be afraid.”

 
How can someone lose their salvation? How does someone know if they've lost their salvation.

No salvation is secured,for one can always backslide,and turn lukewarm because of the presure that is in the world.The seed that is fallen on thorny bushes.
We must stay on the straight and narrow,to keep our salvation.Only God knows who will.
 
No salvation is secured,for one can always backslide,and turn lukewarm because of the presure that is in the world.The seed that is fallen on thorny bushes.
We must stay on the straight and narrow,to keep our salvation.Only God knows who will.

but....you didn't mention the good soil.

arminianism is a tragedy.

the rich young ruler:

Matthew 19

16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? 17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. 18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet? 21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. 22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.

23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. 24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. 25 When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved? 26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.




And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

cities had a "needle gate" (the little door in the gate) which was opened for travellers and merchants when the city gates were closed.

the door was tiny to keep invaders from rushing in.

if a traveller wanted in at night, he had to completely unload his camel's packs (his goods), and the camel had to enter in through the needle gate carrying NOTHING, and actually crawl through the gate on its KNEES!

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haven't those who received the good seed into good soil (a crushed and contrite spirit) been those ones who KNEW they had nothing? that desired at all cost to enter in by that narrow gate? they knew they needed a saviour, but of critical importance (for those in the hearing of Jesus as He spoke this parable was WHO IS THAT SAVIOUR)?

Matthew 7:13
“Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many.

John 10:9
I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved. He will come in and go out, and find pasture.

Acts 4:12
And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”

Acts 10:43
To him all the prophets bear witness that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.”

Romans 1:17
For in the gospel a righteousness from God is revealed, a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: "The righteous will live by faith."

2 Corinthians 3:9
For if there was glory in the ministry of condemnation, the ministry of righteousness must far exceed it in glory.

i understand what you are saying though, about the tragedy of rejecting the Gospel (i see my own family do it), or hearing it but never turning, turning continually from the old ways (this is just another form of unbelief...for if we have received the engrafted word unto salvation, we ARE transformed by the Holy Spirit in us):

Hebrews 12
Warning Against Refusing God
14 Make every effort to live in peace with all men and to be holy; without holiness no one will see the Lord. 15 See to it that no one misses the grace of God and that no bitter root grows up to cause trouble and defile many. 16 See that no one is sexually immoral, or is godless like Esau, who for a single meal sold his inheritance rights as the oldest son. 17 Afterward, as you know, when he wanted to inherit this blessing, he was rejected. He could bring about no change of mind, though he sought the blessing with tears.

18 You have not come to a mountain that can be touched and that is burning with fire; to darkness, gloom and storm; 19 to a trumpet blast or to such a voice speaking words that those who heard it begged that no further word be spoken to them, 20 because they could not bear what was commanded: “If even an animal touches the mountain, it must be stoned.”c 21 The sight was so terrifying that Moses said, “I am trembling with fear.”d

22 But you have come to Mount Zion, to the heavenly Jerusalem, the city of the living God. You have come to thousands upon thousands of angels in joyful assembly, 23 to the church of the firstborn, whose names are written in heaven. You have come to God, the judge of all men, to the spirits of righteous men made perfect, 24 to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.

25 See to it that you do not refuse him who speaks. If they did not escape when they refused him who warned them on earth, how much less will we, if we turn away from him who warns us from heaven? 26 At that time his voice shook the earth, but now he has promised, “Once more I will shake not only the earth but also the heavens.”e 27 The words “once more” indicate the removing of what can be shaken—that is, created things—so that what cannot be shaken may remain.

28 Therefore, since we are receiving a kingdom that cannot be shaken, let us be thankful, and so worship God acceptably with reverence and awe, 29 for our “God is a consuming fire.”f

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can your faith be shaken, wakeup?
 
I dont believe that you can accept Christ and think that the blood is a liscense to live like a heathen and think that grace will cover you
 
I dont believe that you can accept Christ and think that the blood is a liscense to live like a heathen and think that grace will cover you

Neither do I. Yet I believe one can not lose salvation.
 
I dont believe that you can accept Christ and think that the blood is a liscense to live like a heathen and think that grace will cover you

We belong to Him and He will not let us get away with living like a heathen. That's what chastisement is for and if we still don't respond to divine discipline and through much longsuffering on His part, He will take the next step and scourge us to an inch of our death and if we continue to be rebellious He will take us through the sin of physical death with no dying grace and we will suffer the loss of all rewards that we could have had if we would have responded to His chastening.

All that time God's love covers a multitude of sins because our sins was laid on the body of Christ on the tree and He was judged for our sins through death. Even though we are rebellious and we reject His chastening, He does everything He can to restore us back in fellowship with Him without over-riding our volition. A person could be under discipline for years and even decades before God takes that last step. We are not to judge a single believer who may be under discipline and we are to leave them alone and stay out of it and let God do the work.
 
I dont believe that you can accept Christ and think that the blood is a liscense to live like a heathen and think that grace will cover you

DO NOT BE DECEIVED. Neither the sexually immoral, nor idolators, nor adulterers, nor male prostitutes, nor homosexual offenders, nor theives, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor slanderers will inherit the kingdom of God

1 Cor 6:9&10
 
Do not be deceived. God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. The one who sows to to please his sinful nature, will reap destruction, the one who sows to please the spirit, from the spirit will reap eternal life
Gal 6:7&8

If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received knowledge of the truth(those who have understood the true Gospel of grace) no sacrifice for sin is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgement and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God
Heb 10:26&27

But do all who go to church understand the true Gospel of grace? The above applies to those who have understood it

They promise freedom while they themselves are slaves of depravity-for a man is a slave to whatever has mastered him.
If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowinmg our Lord and saviour Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and overcome they are worse off at the end that they were at the begining
It would be better for them not to have known the way of righteousness than to have known it and then to have turned their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them
Of them the proverb is true. A dog returns to its vomit, and a sow that is washed goes back to her wallowing in the mud
2 Peter 2:19-22
 
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DO NOT BE DECEIVED. Neither the sexually immoral, nor idolators, nor adulterers, nor male prostitutes, nor homosexual offenders, nor theives, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor slanderers will inherit the kingdom of God

1 Cor 6:9&10

LBG, don't forget this list in (Rev 21:8)...

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable , and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
 
LBG, don't forget this list in (Rev 21:8)...

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable , and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Hi Red

I thought I had made the point without the need to recite that scripture as well, but thank you for emphasising the point.
I take it your underlined words are not meant to accuse or attack any particular person, but to emphasise the need that all be vigilant concerning those things
 
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the antinomian handle attached to people who trust that Christ saves FOR GOD'S GLORY is wearisome.
somehow actually believing that Christ is ABLE and willing to save makes one a terrible sinner!
this i do not get.

if we have truly been regenerated (God's doing), we will grow (Spirit working with us). the new man will be transformed (God's doing). we will receive the blessings of the sacraments and the blessings and comfort from the Holy Spirit (we love Him!).

and we will endure chastening when it comes. if there is no chastening, we are none of His.
 
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the antinomian handle attached to people who trust that Christ saves FOR GOD'S GLORY is wearisome.
So it should be. I have been accused of antinomianism, despite the fact I have stressed that anyone who truly in their heart loves God and lives in the truth of grace MUST see much victory in their life over sin, as I am sure all would agree. The cross of Christ has great power to deliver those in earnest from that which binds them, coiud anyone disagree with that?

somehow actually believing that Christ is ABLE and willing to save makes one a terrible sinner!
this i do not get.
Neither do I
answers above
 
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Do not be deceived. God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. The one who sows to to please his sinful nature, will reap destruction, the one who sows to please the spirit, from the spirit will reap eternal life
Gal 6:7&8

If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received knowledge of the truth(those who have understood the true Gospel of grace) no sacrifice for sin is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgement and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God
Heb 10:26&27

But do all who go to church understand the true Gospel of grace? The above applies to those who have understood it

They promise freedom while they themselves are slaves of depravity-for a man is a slave to whatever has mastered him.
If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowinmg our Lord and saviour Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and overcome they are worse off at the end that they were at the begining
It would be better for them not to have known the way of righteousness than to have known it and then to have turned their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them
Of them the proverb is true. A dog returns to its vomit, and a sow that is washed goes back to her wallowing in the mud
2 Peter 2:19-22

This is the very reason that grace needs to be abounding super-abundantly when sin abounds (Rom 5:20). God's grace needs to be active toward those who sin to give them the opportunity to receive from God what they need to be forgiven, cleansed and delivered from the bondage of sin. When the whole world was abounding in sin, God sent His Son to be propitiation (or mercy seat) for sin. God's response to the sin of the world was MERCY that He would display to the world by having their sins put away and imputing them to His Son and not to the world (Rom 3:25, 1Jn 2:2, 4:10, 2Cor 5;18,19). Jesus Christ is our MERCY SEAT, the propitiation for our sins.

The good news for the lost is that God is merciful and gracious to their unrighteousness through Jesus Christ, God in the flesh (Heb 8:12). The good news for the believer that sins is that Jesus Christ is your MERCY SEAT and we can confess confess our sin and be forgiven instantly with no probation from God (1Jn 1:7-9). God is always in a constant state of mind to be merciful and gracious to those who have no capacity to understand their own darkness or how to respond to God's initiations of grace (Ps 103:8). God knows that we are but dust (Ps 103:14) and if we needed the light of the glorious gospel to shine unto us when we were dead in trespasses and sins (2Cor 4:4) how much more we need that light of grace to shine unto us that we might know Him and have fellowship with Him.

The next time that you sin look right into the face of Jesus Christ and confess your sin and thank Him for being judged for that sin and go on in victory and don't turn back and look at your sin. We are not our sin, we are the righteousness of God in Christ (2Cor 5:21).
 
This is a very, very touchy subject to me because it requires the true councel of the Holy Spirit. I will say this, that the definition of being born again and what tit truely means will answer your question.Rom.10:9 makes salvation sound easy, but believing in your heart is more involved than it looks and true repentence is a serious example of what it means to truely stop and think about the way you are living, if it is in sin and acually thinking twice and aknowledging that you are going against the grain of Gods will and plan for your life, then deciding without a doubt to turn away from your current life style and get in line with Gods will for your life.Jesus made it very clear in that if you love your life you will lose it.God only notices one religion and that is clothing the poor, taking care of the widows, feeding both of them, and taking care of anyone in need, whether disabled or whatever.If you truely repent as explained in the above and believe that Jesus has died for your sins, keeping in mind that you must forgive others on a ongoing bases, so that you will maintain your salvation.This is a fact that you must take seriously, because if you aren't capable of forgiving others as they are tresspassing against you, then you will put your salvation in jeopardy.As a christian you must keep your ongoing forgiveness current.This becomes easier and easier when you keep your eyes and thoughts on the word of GOD.I LOVE YOU MORE THAN YOU WILL EVER KNOW AND WHOEVER ELSE MAY READ THIS AND MAY GOD TRUELY BLESS ALL OF YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
THIS IS A SALVAGE OPERATION.

those who know they need a Saviour and have cried out "Lord! Save Me!"

WILL BE SAVED.

THIS IS GOD'S DOING.

you guys can nit-pick about who is holy and who is a great and terrible sinner......

NOT ONE OF US DESERVES ANYTHING BUT DEATH AND HELL.....SALVATION IS OF THE LORD.

no Arminian who thinks he has a hand in his own justification will ever shake my unshakeable knowledge that My Redeemer has done for me what i COULD NEVER, EVER, EVER DO.

Sola Scriptura - Scripture Alone
Solus Christus - Christ Alone
Sola Gratia - Grace Alone
Sola Fide - Faith Alone
Soli Deo Gloria - The Glory of God Alone
 
Unwarranted confidence in human ability is a product of fallen human nature ... God's grace in Christ is not merely necessary but is the sole efficient cause of salvation. We confess that human beings are born spiritually dead and are incapable even of cooperating with regenerating grace. We reaffirm that in salvation we are rescued from God's wrath by his grace alone. It is the supernatural work of the Holy Spirit that brings us to Christ by releasing us from our bondage to sin and raising us from spiritual death to spiritual life. We deny that salvation is in any sense a human work. Human methods, techniques or strategies by themselves cannot accomplish this transformation. Faith is not produced by our unregenerated human nature. - Cambridge Declaration
 
Indeed not one of us deserves anything but hell, and our justificatioon is by faith, and that is a free gift of God, so man has nothing to boast of in himself.

But it is man's responsibility to look to Christ and trust him, believing that he will change and transform them as they put their faith in him. And as a Christian grows through faith in Christ, and as the Holy Spirit sanctifies them, it is their responsibility to keep looking to Christ and resist temptation, that is clearly scriptural. Yes, we all at times fail, but there is still a responsibility on the individual.

The message of Paul on grace is very clear to me. Sin used the good laws of God to condemn man.
Sin used the law to arouse all kinds of sinful desires in man Rom 7:7-11
And the sinful passions in us are aroused (made greater) by the law Rom 7:5

But as the Christian is not inder law but under grace, the power of sin has been removed(1 Cor 15:56)

Therefore Paul's central message was
For sin shall not be your master for you are not under law but under greace Rom 6:14
This does not mean that upon conversion the individual will immediately be free of much which binds them (Gal 2:17&18) but over time by faith in Christ they will see greaty victory over sin, for faith in Christ will not go disappointed

Paul was the greatest preacher of grace this worlds has ever seen, he told us that we do not earn or deserve our salvation, it is not artained by good works, but rather works are the evidence of a true salvation. We are saved and kept by faith in Christ and the sanctification of the Holy Spirit

But Paul also was clear as to what was expected of the Christian, and he was clear that there were certain sin/wrong behaviour that if continually committed would mean such a person would not inherit the kingdom of God
So if we wish to speak of the message Paul preached we need to speak of it all, not jiust say that we are saved by grasce through faith and leave it at that
Paul explained that in Rom 3:21-30, but he knew what the charge would be. If we are justified by faith and not the law, I can do what I want and still be saved for I am not under law
So Paul put such an idea to bed

Do we then nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather we uphold the law
Rom 3:31


For if sin shall not be our master for we are not under law but under grace, it is plainly obvious that great victory over sin must be seen in the sincere believer. Paul preached freedom and the glorious Gospel of Grace, but he also preached the responsibility that goes with that grace. And anyone who truly loves God in their heart and lives by the truth of grace MUST see much victory over sin in their life, to believe anything else is to deny the power of the cross and the victory Christ won for us undeserving sinners on the cross. Anyone who says they are living in true Grace and loves God and sees no improvement in their life after conversion is not living in truth and sincerity, to believe they are belittles what Christ did for us on the cross and completely goes against the Gospel message of true grace

Grace sets people free, it does not leave them bound, and if anyone believes it does, the grace they believe in is not as Great as the grace I believe in

A Christian's responsibility is to tell the whole message, not what may just sit comfortably with some

Don't be selective with what Paul wrote, on this subject, tell it all
 
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