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selenah
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I wasn't trying to give you guys a guilt trip or anything
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I wasn't trying to give you guys a guilt trip or anything
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selenah
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eternally-gratefull
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lol true, he is also a God of wrath, but if we are his children, we do not have to worry about that.
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Tombo
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GreenNnice
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___God is everything, all good
eg explains things very well, God is Love, God disciplines His children but it, too, is out of Love , Sel.
God is our Father, maybe this explains salvation better but a father disciplines his kids because he loves them, spanks them, scolds them. But all that father does is to make his children better in life, more able to handle trouble in the future. And that father never leaves his kids mulling in their guilt, he does what?
That father calls his child to him and points out their mistake (do you know why I spanked you?) and reason for punishment then he does what?
That father takes his child in his arms and hugs them, forgiving them, loving them, who is like?
God. Our Father, who disciplines ALL his children as they live their life. And, Sel all everything from God is done in what, milady?
Love.
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What I really wonder, sel, with all this talking to.us, how do you have time to do your homework, let alone pet your cats
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God bless you, sel, I pray, for your listening here, with such mature patience and undetstanding despite rants and raves that are quite wrathful toward another's christian beliefs. Remember, we ALL-even TOMMY, zillah, jimmy-are on here so you ( and others listening, as tombo said) can see The joy of a life learned utterly of how much of a friend we have in Jesus, all are cares can be cast to Him, all our sins to Him cast disappear in mid-air, gone and forgotten forevermore.
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Charlamane
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Salvation is obviously not about our being perfect, though we have been made perfect in Christ. But we can willfully turn away from Him. That's how we would lose our salvation. If we hang on to Him to the end, yes, we will be saved. But if we let go, that's a choice. In that case, we have freely chosen to relinquish our salvation. Maybe our salvation is not truly exacted until the end for this very reason.
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AnandaHya
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Sometimes Selenah we stumble and become angry because we are immature and don't truly undertand everything needed to stand though God has given us everything we need to live godly lives.
Sometimes its a GOOD thing to be angry. Satan and his demons will try and tell you its NOT, but think about it.
Read the BIBLE it shows when God is not only the God of love but of Wrath and Just judgment.
when you see an adult abuse a child be it mental, physical or spiritual, you should be mad, Because GOD is angered about such things.
When you see people enslave and torment others, you should feel anger because those things anger God.
Injustice makes God mad. However He ask us to trust in HIM and allow HIM to take vengence. He asks us to forgive and allow Him to do what He sees is fit and just.
Often the Enemy will distract us and trip us up. that is why we need to diligently add to our faith and learn to discern good and evil.
Anyway I know I don't like being the center of attention either. SO I'll just leave a Bible verse and song. Love you!
2 peter 1
5 But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, 6 to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, 7 to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love. 8 For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins.
10 Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble; 11 for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
you see we have to learn self control and gain virtue and knowledge through diligently adding to our faith which God gives us in measure to accomplish His will on this Earth.
[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHdcyue0bSw[/video]
Sometimes its a GOOD thing to be angry. Satan and his demons will try and tell you its NOT, but think about it.
Read the BIBLE it shows when God is not only the God of love but of Wrath and Just judgment.
when you see an adult abuse a child be it mental, physical or spiritual, you should be mad, Because GOD is angered about such things.
When you see people enslave and torment others, you should feel anger because those things anger God.
Injustice makes God mad. However He ask us to trust in HIM and allow HIM to take vengence. He asks us to forgive and allow Him to do what He sees is fit and just.
Often the Enemy will distract us and trip us up. that is why we need to diligently add to our faith and learn to discern good and evil.
Anyway I know I don't like being the center of attention either. SO I'll just leave a Bible verse and song. Love you!
2 peter 1
5 But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, 6 to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, 7 to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love. 8 For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins.
10 Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble; 11 for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
you see we have to learn self control and gain virtue and knowledge through diligently adding to our faith which God gives us in measure to accomplish His will on this Earth.
[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHdcyue0bSw[/video]
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enochson
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One that the romans who hung christ on the tree did what god plan for them to do. that the jewish leader who cry out for the romans to do it and mock Jesus did what god wanted them to do and the followers of christ who where crying tells the story of man who hear the words from Christ mouth for years and don't beleive it when the event came true. Are you saying these people sinned? Or to say miss the mark? My point is does man know what sin is?
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selenah
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___God is everything, all good
eg explains things very well, God is Love, God disciplines His children but it, too, is out of Love , Sel.
God is our Father, maybe this explains salvation better but a father disciplines his kids because he loves them, spanks them, scolds them. But all that father does is to make his children better in life, more able to handle trouble in the future. And that father never leaves his kids mulling in their guilt, he does what?
That father calls his child to him and points out their mistake (do you know why I spanked you?) and reason for punishment then he does what?
That father takes his child in his arms and hugs them, forgiving them, loving them, who is like?
God. Our Father, who disciplines ALL his children as they live their life. And, Sel all everything from God is done in what, milady?
Love.
()()()____()()()
What I really wonder, sel, with all this talking to.us, how do you have time to do your homework, let alone pet your cats
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God bless you, sel, I pray, for your listening here, with such mature patience and undetstanding despite rants and raves that are quite wrathful toward another's christian beliefs. Remember, we ALL-even TOMMY, zillah, jimmy-are on here so you ( and others listening, as tombo said) can see The joy of a life learned utterly of how much of a friend we have in Jesus, all are cares can be cast to Him, all our sins to Him cast disappear in mid-air, gone and forgotten forevermore.
Lol I don't have a very busy life so I have plenty of time to go on here. The cats get plenty of petting. The one on the right has been my little buddy for half my life lol guess I'm a crazy cat lady
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selenah
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Idk I've never seen any good come out of anger. People who are angry are out of control and just want to hurt whoever they're angry at. Anger drives people away, hurts them, and makes them hateful.
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AnandaHya
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Anger is just another emotion. How you deal with anger is very telling. God told us to be anger but not to sin.
it is not a sin to be angry, but it would be wise to recognize WHY you are angry and allow God to learn to forgive the other person and trust GOD to deal justly with them. I would not advocate that you seek vengence against the other person or yell angry words at them, but I believe it is a good thing to admit to yourself and not lie if you are made to be angry. Not all people who are angry or out of control, want to hurt others, or drives them away. Often it is not anger that causes that but a lack of self control and heavenly wisdom.
I've given you examples of why we can feel anger and still be in the will of God. However I agree that we should not act upon the anger but upon the love we have for the victim or even for the abuser who is a victim of their blind and sinful behavior.
Ephesians 4
25 Therefore, putting away lying, “Let each one of you speak truth with his neighbor,”[e] for we are members of one another. 26 “Be angry, and do not sin”:[f] do not let the sun go down on your wrath, 27 nor give place to the devil. 28 Let him who stole steal no longer, but rather let him labor, working with his hands what is good, that he may have something to give him who has need. 29 Let no corrupt word proceed out of your mouth, but what is good for necessary edification, that it may impart grace to the hearers. 30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. 31 Let all bitterness, wrath, anger, clamor, and evil speaking be put away from you, with all malice. 32 And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God in Christ forgave you.
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selenah
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The Bible does seem to say that it's okay to be angry, but I don't think you can be angry and not sin. I mean anger makes you want to make the other person pay for whatever it is that made you angry.
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AnandaHya
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yes but that is where harnessing your thoughts in obedience to Christ comes in.
Once you realize that God takes care of it, you can have peace not as the world gives but as God gives.
I have to do some HW but here are some Bible verses to think about before I go.
2 Corinthians 10:4-6
New King James Version (NKJV)
4 For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, 5 casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ, 6 and being ready to punish all disobedience when your obedience is fulfilled.
- Deuteronomy 32:35
Vengeance is Mine, and recompense; Their foot shall slip in due time; For the day of their calamity is at hand, And the things to come hasten upon them.’ - Romans 12:19
Beloved, do not avenge yourselves, but rather give place to wrath; for it is written, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” says the Lord. - Hebrews 10:30
For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” says the Lord. And again, “The LORD will judge His people.”
The redemption we have in Christ is eternal life and no man (not even ourselves) can pluck us out of the hand of the Father or the Son. Try to pluck me out of God's hand and you will get a double portion of eternal reality from the Godhead. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God, so beware all of you that like to fool with God's salvation and redemption that is in His Son and is given to the sinner the moment he believes. We are justified and complete in Him and those that oppose that reality are God's enemy, so beware.
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selenah
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Okay I've been thinking about the verses. Anger seems wrong because when someone's angry they naturally want to get vengeance. Like if someone slashes your tires, you want the person to pay for what they did by getting arrested.
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titus211
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Jesus said, "Remember Lot's wife." She was given the way of escape from destruction, but loved the world more than God and turned back and was DESTROYED!!! That is simple and it goes with the simplicity of Christ's message, REPENT or PERISH and then STRIVE to enter that NARROW gate, because there will be MANY (MAJORITY) that will not be able to.
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eternally-gratefull
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Yep, and the majority of the christian church are trying to earn there way by good deeds, Just like your teaching/
Strive to enter by that narrow gate my friend, Be born again, and allow God to conform you to his image, and stop trying to conform yourself, You will utterly fail
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hislastwalk
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You are saved by grace through faith, it's that simple. Anything more complicated is a false gospel.
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IMINJC
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ETERNALLY-GRATEFUL
titus posted: "Remember Lot's wife."
you said: Yep, and the majority of the christian church are trying to earn there way by good deeds, Just like your teaching/
EG... Jesus said this...Jesus warned us to "Remember Lots Wife." Now when we follow Jesus lead and repeat this statement that He made to the Church so that they may rethink their lives so their souls are not destroyed on the day of judgement...and your reply to this is... "Yep, and the majority of the christian church are trying to earn there way by good deeds, Just like your teaching"/....*Jesus....
Now if you were present when Jesus gave this warning would you have said this to Him?
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titus posted: "Remember Lot's wife."
you said: Yep, and the majority of the christian church are trying to earn there way by good deeds, Just like your teaching/
EG... Jesus said this...Jesus warned us to "Remember Lots Wife." Now when we follow Jesus lead and repeat this statement that He made to the Church so that they may rethink their lives so their souls are not destroyed on the day of judgement...and your reply to this is... "Yep, and the majority of the christian church are trying to earn there way by good deeds, Just like your teaching"/....*Jesus....
Now if you were present when Jesus gave this warning would you have said this to Him?
*addded by iminjc
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etrnally-greatful
YOU SAID: Strive to enter by that narrow gate my friend, Be born again, and allow God to conform you to his image, and stop trying to conform yourself, You will utterly fail
Just because we teach and preach obediance to the word of God....
JAMES 1:22-25
22 But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. 23 For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man observing his natural face in a mirror; 24 for he observes himself, goes away, and immediately forgets what kind of man he was. 25 But he who looks into the perfect law of liberty and continues in it, and is not a forgetful hearer but a doer of the work, this one will be blessed in what he does.
does not mean that what we do is done in our own power, will, or strength. This is where you are wrong. The obediance that flows from us comes from the righteousness that He made us when we believed in Him. It is not of our own power, but His. We are not working to be saved...WE ARE SAVED...that's why we are able to be obediant.
YOU SAID: Strive to enter by that narrow gate my friend, Be born again, and allow God to conform you to his image, and stop trying to conform yourself, You will utterly fail
Just because we teach and preach obediance to the word of God....
JAMES 1:22-25
22 But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. 23 For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man observing his natural face in a mirror; 24 for he observes himself, goes away, and immediately forgets what kind of man he was. 25 But he who looks into the perfect law of liberty and continues in it, and is not a forgetful hearer but a doer of the work, this one will be blessed in what he does.
does not mean that what we do is done in our own power, will, or strength. This is where you are wrong. The obediance that flows from us comes from the righteousness that He made us when we believed in Him. It is not of our own power, but His. We are not working to be saved...WE ARE SAVED...that's why we are able to be obediant.