Can something be a sin to one person but not to another?
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No response huh, figures another cut and run statement without a example from you on how I was derailing the thread by saying some poeple think curse words are a sin,
Hi IWI,
Yes, cursing is sin.
Ephesians 4:29
Let no unwholesome word proceed from your mouth, but only such a word as is good for edification according to the need of the moment, so that it will give grace to those who hear.
There are other scriptures that speak about the tongue and I could list them, but I think this one is enough to help us realize that it's sin.
I agree but I think all words can be used as unwholesome not just the culturally defined curse words. I think it's all in the matter of how we use words...I sometimes substitute nice little words for curse words, but in my opinion if I am using them in anger or to curse then they are still unwholesome in that situation...Well that's what my mom tells me anyways...Even though I am a grown woman, she has threatened to come to my house and whip me if I don't stop saying things like... that makes me so flipping mad, and I am not putting up with this flipping stuff anymore...LOL
And for most people the phrase WTF is automatic in their minds because the enemy has trained their mind to think like that and they don't even know it, forget (What The Flip) or (What The Flop), retraining your minds intent is key, supplying other alternative words to the auto thinking people have been programmed by the enemy can be a huge task but once a person has to tools the other choices of viewing such things the less automatic control the enemy will have upon them. being wise as a serpent is changing what is not of wise intent but to a wise intent.
it really is a personal thing now in the new covenant. because as the first comment has it correct its about Our conscience. Some would look to solve the issue by ignoring thier conscience, because of the false teaching about " sin consciousness" thats out there, buit Our conscience is How God leads us.
as we learn the Word of God, Our accountability goes up, because our Knowledge changes our conscience. in other words the More you Know in your own self is wrong, the More accountability to walk by that conscience goes up. thankfully faith comes along with the Word as we grasp and understand it, which gives us the strength to walk as we grow.
even more than the op question, whats not something that convicts your conscience now, in the future will convict your Heart as the Knowledge Grows. so even more than whats sin for me may not be for you.....what is sin to me now, wasnt 5 years ago.
a good analogy is if you have twin 5 year olds, yu seperate them and give them a box of markers in a white room. the first....you explain " Do not under any circumstances use these markers to write on the wall. if this Kid writes on the wall He is guilty of doing wrong, you are justified to take the markers and make the kid wash the walls.
the other , you sit Him in the same room, give Him the same markers and you dont say anything aboiut the clean white walls or instruct the kid what to not do. If this child writes on the walls, its not His fault justly, its actually yours according to what is just because He had no idea it was wrong.
we get in trouble though as christians, at least i did, because when things start popping up that i learn are wrong, our tendancy is to ignore our conscience and continue the sin that were becoming aware of. when we do this it makes the spirit hard to hear, and the flesh pretty Loud and convincing. repentance is really a fluid and everchanging increasing thing as Our conscience grows through Knowledge, Our walk becomes necassary to take the steps in faith.
There are a lot of words that are used in the Bible, well KJV and older versions, that are now considered unacceptable, profane, or curse words today. Culture has defined these words to be curse words and so even the newer versions of the Bible have changed the wording around and will not use them...Like the ones that say stuff like this:
1 Kings 16:11
And it came to pass, when he began to reign, as soon as he sat on his throne, that he slew all the house of Baasha: he left him not one that pisseth against a wall, neither of his kinsfolks, nor of his friends.
That has been changed in newer versions....I think to suit culture...I don't think it was originally thought to be a curse word, though, culture has changed the severity of the word...imo...anyhow.
I agree but I think all words can be used as unwholesome not just the culturally defined curse words. I think it's all in the matter of how we use words...I sometimes substitute nice little words for curse words, but in my opinion if I am using them in anger or to curse then they are still unwholesome in that situation...Well that's what my mom tells me anyways...Even though I am a grown woman, she has threatened to come to my house and whip me if I don't stop saying things like... that makes me so flipping mad, and I am not putting up with this flipping stuff anymore...LOL
haha good point, a phrase that hasn't been automatic converted or should I say preverted is this phrase VHF, I already know what your thinking and it's not of perversion because the enemy didn't see a need in preverting VHF,
three simple letters does not show my intent, that is in the eyes of the beholder, simply like so, that is not my thoughts of it but of theirs.
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Well, the question was, can something be a sin to one person but not to another? I think it's pretty clear cut that if God says something is a sin, then it's a sin. But the problem is there are all sorts of "man made" sins based on various interpretations and customs. Those are the things that I wonder about. Can they be a sin to one person based on his conscience, but not a sin to another person? :shrug:
Yes, God does prohibit and forbid specific ACTS of sin, but what matter more are our attitudes toward doing (or not doing things) which are not spelled out in Scripture.
That's why it's important to take God's Word as a whole with regard to how believers SHOULD live.
We should NOT do what we know is wrong, and we should do what we know is right.
To use the drinking alcohol example, I personally don't believe it's a sin to drink, but I won't "tempt the Lord my God" by trying to consume as much as I can to get myself drunk.
That's why it's important to take God's Word as a whole with regard to how believers SHOULD live.
We should NOT do what we know is wrong, and we should do what we know is right.
To use the drinking alcohol example, I personally don't believe it's a sin to drink, but I won't "tempt the Lord my God" by trying to consume as much as I can to get myself drunk.
First of all, there is not one word there, saying it is a sin to say a "bad word." And, isn't this the same author who declared women should be silent in church? Well, then, how is it not a sin for you to speak in church?........ if you are going to say that it becomes a sin because Paul (or any other man) is against it.
This exact question Paul answers
But whoever has doubts is condemned if they eat, because their eating is not from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin.
Rom 14:23
Paul is saying if someone feels free to eat food sacrificed to idols, that is fine.
If another feels it is a sin, because they see their brother eating they should
not go against their faith understanding, that would be sin.
They have to change that which is wrong and that which is right and follow
this.
You can take this too far because it means the super sensitive can end up condemning
themselves over issues that only they regard as a problem, outside of faith.
And many have taken this very verse and applied it to everything not described as part
of the faith as sinful. So milk shakes are sinful, or watching films, TV, the internet etc.
The is a typical worm hole once you enter you might never come back.
No. Sin is a specific action that has a particular effect on another.
We feel "condemned" for many things, for many reasons, some purely arbitrary.
You know from you mental health work, when emotions run wild, they are so
detached from reality, they cause chaos in someones life.
Paul though says this about righteousness and perfection.
I care very little if I am judged by you or by any human court; indeed, I do not even judge myself. 4 My conscience is clear, but that does not make me innocent. It is the Lord who judges me. 5 Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait until the Lord comes.
1 Cor 4:3-5
Paul talks about ones conscience being an indicator of a problem, but not being
reliable, necessarily.
I speak the truth in Christ—I am not lying, my conscience confirms it through the Holy Spirit—
Rom 9:1
Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.
Rom 13:5
When you sin against them in this way and wound their weak conscience, you sin against Christ.
1 Cor 8:12
So Paul argues for sensitivity, and working things through. God is the ultimate judge,
but we should not judge ourselves for things that are not moral issues.
One reason for defined law, is to separate social obligations from actual sin before God.
It is why knowing the Lord and its precepts is a good thing to dwell on in your heart.
That has been changed in newer versions....I think to suit culture...I don't think it was originally thought to be a curse word, though, culture has changed the severity of the word...imo...anyhow. "
Honestly my friend i think what you are saying Here, really can be applied to alot of the current issues in the church that create things Like denomination and division,
what i mean is what you are saying is spot on, and its the same with many terms in the Bible, man has a way over time of bending Gods Word to fit our state of sinfulness, When the truth of Gods Word is meant to and is able to lift us up in times of need. Through changing our minds by simply accepting and believing Gods ways and forgetting Our ways.
if you think of it, anything man learns changes our minds, this is most often accomplished By studying information, By practicing and testing its function. for instance a highschool graduates Mind is Healthy and normal even Bright and promising.....But if they are going to be a doctor, they have to learn loads and loads of information, "Knowledge" changes our Minds. Thier minds from the day they graduate Highschool, and the day they graduate medical school, are two vastly different realms of thought. they spend around a decade in many cases submerged in all of the medical Knowledge and information thats available they " dwell" in and press forth into the understanding of the medical field until thier Minds just think Like a doctor so when its needed, they dont have to try to figure it out, they just do what they Know they are supposed to do because they have been " trained" it becomes natural through the Knowledge and practice of the subject studied.
through Gods word He makes a point to say " dwell in my words, keep them before you, believe them, trust them I am faithful, My words will come to pass...obey my commandments, you must do these things im telling you to do, Meditate on them, Keep my words in you, Live them ect.....
where as humans tend to go about it by mis understanding and sometimes re defining the terms Like " Faith" " Grace" "remission" ect or...we tend to "interpret it" Our way that allows for our own sin to continue without consequence so we dont need to lose the sinful things we love to participate in and do. we tend to shape Gods Word to fit man, when Gods Word is meant to shape us into His children.
Words are words for sure....To me context, offence, who is within ear shot etc....the same people who will drop a cow when someone cusses in their presence will pay for, rent and watch movies with the same verbiage or worse without batting an eye...
its all based on what you Know, this is the new covenant.
Jesus said this.....( One example)
Luke 12 :47-48 "And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes.
For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more."
so then you see james and paul teach the same principles
james 4:17 "Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin."
and paul says "
romans 14:22-23 "Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth. And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin."
Paul says this while talking of ceremonial foods and not judging the other guy, He is saying that is a person Knows in themself it is a sin to eat a certain food, thier eating is not of faith, so it is sin. remember that faith cometh from Hearing and Hearing by the Word of God romans 10:17. if i am going out partying on weekends doing things i know arent worthy of the christian walk, I am then becoming convicted of sin because im aware that its unworthy of Jesus blood that bought me, the next phase is godly sorrow and then repentance.
it indeed varies from One person to the next, the new covenant comes down to You, Jesus the mediator and God the Father. He gave us His spirit within us so we cant Hide from Him what We Know, or what we are doung, or if we are going against our conscience. He is truly personally with the disciples of Christ Jesus, God is spirit, and Has Given us of His spirit that His presence may be with and in us, God is among us has been since Jesus came and Gave the spirit of God. its all personal, a person who isnt able to read or understand the written Word, is not Held to the same accountability of a pastor or scholar.
God is really Good because He is God Most High above glories, yet He cares enough to get personally involved in our Lives and His desire was to be with us through His spirit. Hes also there for" judging the thoughts and attitudes of the Mind and Heart"