Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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Pelagian heretics insist man is inherently good. From within the hearts of men come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, wickedness, deceit, debauchery, envy, slander, arrogance, and foolishness. Mark 7 verses 21-22 Every inclination of man's heart is evil from his youth. Genesis 8 verse 21b Who can bring out clean from unclean? No one! Job 14 verse 4 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Matthew 7 verse 18
Pelagian heretics insist man is inherently good. From within the hearts of men come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, wickedness, deceit, debauchery, envy, slander, arrogance, and foolishness. Mark 7 verses 21-22 Every inclination of man's heart is evil from his youth. Genesis 8 verse 21b Who can bring out clean from unclean? No one! Job 14 verse 4 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Matthew 7 verse 18
[Psa 51:5 KJV] 5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.
[Psa 58:3 KJV] 3 The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.
bytheblood said: Why did Jesus die for the sins of the WHOLE WORLD and not just for the elects sakes?
brightfame52 said: He didnt die for the whole world of individuals, just the whole world of the elect
bytheblood said: Now THAT'S funny. What version of the Bible says THAT? Please tell me, I need more laughs
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brightfame52 said: Since when did you understand the bible ?
bytheblood said: I certainly don't understand your bible, that states the Jesus didn't die for the sins of the WHOLE WORLD.
brightfame52 said: When did you start understanding the bible ?
bytheblood ... brightfame52 will continue to throw shade in his ongoing efforts to rewrite what is written in John 3:16.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
brightfame52 believes those who are "elect" do not need to believe the gospel ... the "elect" can reject the Lord Jesus Christ the whole of their lifetime ... the "elect" can continue in sinful behavior the whole of their lifetime ... "those He died for do not have to believe it, accept itor do anything but continue being ungodly sinners" ... that those who reject the Lord Jesus Christ the whole of their lifetime will not be thrown in the lake of fire because the Lord Jesus Christ died for their sinful rejection of Christ ... and some here agree with brightfame52's absolute obliteration of the truth of God's Word.
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brightfame52 said: He didnt die for the whole world of individuals, just the whole world of the elect
bytheblood said: Now THAT'S funny. What version of the Bible says THAT? Please tell me, I need more laughs
)brightfame52 said: Since when did you understand the bible ?
bytheblood said: I certainly don't understand your bible, that states the Jesus didn't die for the sins of the WHOLE WORLD.
brightfame52 said: When did you start understanding the bible ?
bytheblood ... brightfame52 will continue to throw shade in his ongoing efforts to rewrite what is written in John 3:16.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
brightfame52 believes those who are "elect" do not need to believe the gospel ... the "elect" can reject the Lord Jesus Christ the whole of their lifetime ... the "elect" can continue in sinful behavior the whole of their lifetime ... "those He died for do not have to believe it, accept itor do anything but continue being ungodly sinners" ... that those who reject the Lord Jesus Christ the whole of their lifetime will not be thrown in the lake of fire because the Lord Jesus Christ died for their sinful rejection of Christ ... and some here agree with brightfame52's absolute obliteration of the truth of God's Word.
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I don't understand YOUR bible that states, according to you, that Jesus didn't die for the WHOLE WORLD, not just a part of it.
Romans 6:15-23
New International Version
15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under the law but under grace? By no means! 16 Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness? 17 But thanks be to God that, though you used to be slaves to sin, you have come to obey from your heart the pattern of teaching that has now claimed your allegiance. 18 You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.19 I am using an example from everyday life because of your human limitations. Just as you used to offer yourselves as slaves to impurity and to ever-increasing wickedness, so now offer yourselves as slaves to righteousness leading to holiness. 20 When you were slaves to sin, you were free from the control of righteousness. 21 What benefit did you reap at that time from the things you are now ashamed of? Those things result in death! 22 But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life. 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in[a] Christ Jesus our Lord.
New International Version
15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under the law but under grace? By no means! 16 Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness? 17 But thanks be to God that, though you used to be slaves to sin, you have come to obey from your heart the pattern of teaching that has now claimed your allegiance. 18 You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.19 I am using an example from everyday life because of your human limitations. Just as you used to offer yourselves as slaves to impurity and to ever-increasing wickedness, so now offer yourselves as slaves to righteousness leading to holiness. 20 When you were slaves to sin, you were free from the control of righteousness. 21 What benefit did you reap at that time from the things you are now ashamed of? Those things result in death! 22 But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life. 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in[a] Christ Jesus our Lord.
If YOUR bible states that Jesus didn't die for the sins of the WHOLE WORLD then it's not Gods' Word, not the God and Father of my Lord and Savior Jesus the Christ. Just curious, but what does YOUR bible say in 1 John 2:1-2? Here is what mine says " My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: And He is the propitiation for our sins: AND NOT FOR OURS ONLY, but also for the SINS OF THE WHOLE WORLD."
Sounds like doctrines of devils to me.bytheblood said: Why did Jesus die for the sins of the WHOLE WORLD and not just for the elects sakes?
brightfame52 said: He didnt die for the whole world of individuals, just the whole world of the elect
bytheblood said: Now THAT'S funny. What version of the Bible says THAT? Please tell me, I need more laughs
brightfame52 said: Since when did you understand the bible ?
bytheblood said: I certainly don't understand your bible, that states the Jesus didn't die for the sins of the WHOLE WORLD.
brightfame52 said: When did you start understanding the bible ?
bytheblood ... brightfame52 will continue to throw shade in his ongoing efforts to rewrite what is written in John 3:16.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
brightfame52 believes those who are "elect" do not need to believe the gospel ... the "elect" can reject the Lord Jesus Christ the whole of their lifetime ... the "elect" can continue in sinful behavior the whole of their lifetime ... "those He died for do not have to believe it, accept itor do anything but continue being ungodly sinners" ... that those who reject the Lord Jesus Christ the whole of their lifetime will not be thrown in the lake of fire because the Lord Jesus Christ died for their sinful rejection of Christ ... and some here agree with brightfame52's absolute obliteration of the truth of God's Word.
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No, every point of tulip contradicts the Gospel, which means it is heresy.
Every point of Tulip exalts the Sovereign Grace of God, its The Gospel of the Grace of God. Its a pity you cant receive it so.
No, tulip portrays God as a hateful tyrant, the opposite of grace, having no pity on the no elect, showing favoritism towards only a few. Don’t project your own sinful thoughts onto God!