Can you be out of Fellowship with God and still be Saved?
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Please stop trying to rationalize something that is clearly wrong. Putting something in your pocket that belongs to the store (and has not been purchased yet) wil be considered as theft if they catch you doing it. It's asking for trouble. It's having an appearance of evil. Unless you were a child when this happened or unless you are poorly uneducated, I cannot see how you can think putting a can in your pocket within a store would go over well with the owners of the place if they caught you doing so. If you accused them of being judgmental (despite your innocent intentions) they would think you were cracked and or flipped your lid. Everyone knows that you don't put things in your pocket when you are out shopping in a store. You can be arrested for doing it despite your good intentions of paying for it when you get to the cash register.
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In other words, it is just dumb to suggest to think that you wouldn't be arrested if you put something in your pocket that belongs to the store (Regardless of your intentions in paying for it at the register or not). You know that doing such a thing could cause you to be potentially arrested. For stores have hidden cameras and stuff. I don't understand how you cannot like not know that such a thing is not wrong.
the scripture says repent and be baptised for the remission of sins and you shall receive the HS...that is the promise...born of water and the spirit to enter the kingdom....even Paul had to go meet Ananias to receive his sight and be baptised.....before he could start his ministry.....even Jesus was baptised and received the HS....Peter said ...can any man forbid water for these who received the HS as well as we.....making it clear that water and spirit is needed to enter into the kingdom....
but, while not a good decision on my part, that was not wrong. no, putting something in your pocket is not an arrestable offense. see, this is what I mean. I am talking about being a Christ-follower judging someone BEFORE any wrong or sin takes place, which is exactly what you are doing, as I thought you would when in asked you this. you should repent of your judgemental ways. you know, judge not you shall not be judged. need some more verses. or does that do it??
This may be so.
I will look into it.
Thank you for your polite response.
I wish certain others would/could use this as an example of how to respond to others.
God Bless.
No. You said this was not a good decision on your part. The Scriptures say to him that knoweth to do good and he does it not, to him it is sin. You knew the right thing to do, and you didn't do it. I say this because you could have been wrongfully arrested. it happens all the time. For example: Let's say you put the can in your pocket and a security guard catches you doing so on camera. Let's say you you are using cash and right before your transaction goes thru, the electrity goes out. The cashier says she would not be able to provide a receit until the power came back up. But she said that you could leave. As you walk outside, the security guard grabs you and asks that you step into his office in the back. You ask the cashier if she remembered the can you bought, but she is just not sure if she remembers clearly or not. So you are in a pickle because you decided to not avoid in having an appearance of that which is evil.
The Scriptures say avoid having any appearance of evil. Making it appear like you are shoplifting (even when you are not doing that) is having an appearance of evil.
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The fulness of the Godhead dwelled within Christ bodily. Jesus is God. Jesus was annointed by the Holy Spirit at his baptism. Jesus was not joining with the Holy Spirit for the first time. Jesus is the Son of God. The Word made flesh (Second person of the Godhead). For there are three that bear record in Heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost, and these three are one (1 John 5:7 KJV). So when Jesus was anointed by the Spirit it was merely to show that he was the Holy One prophesied about in OT Scripture. It was to show that He was the promised Messiah. The Savior of the world. The Immanuel: God with us. For God was manifested in the flesh (1 Timothy 3:16).
Yes, Jesus was a man and was similar in ways like us; But Jesus was also totally unlike us because He is God Almighty in the flesh.
Paul said he came not to water baptize. Do you believe him when he said that? Peter said baptism saves us but NOT for the putting away of the flilth of the flesh. 2 Corinthians 7:1 tells us filthiness of the flesh is in reference to sin by it's context. I mean seriously. Save us from what? Not being dirty physically? That doesn't make any sense. It is speaking about one being dirty spiritually. Baptism does not save you from the filth of the flesh as if it was talking about you needing a bath. It's not talking about in saving you from stinking up the room. That would be silly to suggest that. Besides, Ephesians 2:8-9 and Titus 3:5 both say you are not saved by works but by God's grace. Baptism is a work. Hence, you are not saved by it. So you have to reconcile the rest of Scripture with these passages. Unless of course you don't want it to be true in which case it doesn't really matter what the Word of God says then.
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If a believer commits a sin such as murder, or lust, or hate, or lying, or idolatry, or drunkenness and they refuse to repent of that sin, and then die, are they saved?
If a believer lives a life of ongoing unrepenant sin but yet they also do nice things for God, are they saved?
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the bottom line is Jason, they are some things in life that are grey areas. not everything is black and white. if see things that way, that is what makes you judgemental. which you are and should repent of.
It's not wrong to judge evil behavior. If a person murders, steals, lusts, I have a right to say that such a thing is wrong. The Scriptures say we are not to have fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but we are to rather reprove them. Also, I believe you made a poor choice that God would not be entirely happy about. You made it appear like you were shoplifting, but you really weren't planning to do so? Why on Earth would you do so in the first place? You say it is a grey area. I do not see it like that. I believe a Christian would not want to make it appear like they are shoplifting. Anymore than a Christian would want to make it appear like they are doing other kinds of sins. For the Bible says we are not to have an appearance of evil. Do you believe that verse? From where I am standing, it doesn't really sound like you do. It sounds like you are looking to justify your actions and make me look bad (Which is not going to work).
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Let me just say - I think you are going to be shocked by who is in standing beside you in heaven, that is if you are have done enough good works to maintain your salvation to get there yourself.
Why is it that you never really answer a question and if you do reply you answer with a question?
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psychomom
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well, there's this:
Rom 8:33-35a
Who will bring a charge against God’s elect? God is the one who justifies;
who is the one who condemns? Christ Jesus is He who died, yes, rather who was raised, who is at the right hand of God, who also intercedes for us.
Who will separate us from the love of Christ?
hmmmm...who, indeed.
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psalm6819
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Judas did not believe Jesus
Judas did not believe what Jesus said
Judas did not believe Jesus would forgive him
Judas never asked forgiveness
Judas tried a self righteous act- punishing himself
Jesus would have forgiven Judas........if Judas had believed Him enough to ask
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psalm6819
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Jason, Is this a good shepard?
One of the sheep got lost, yawn. I need some rest and I'm hungry.... need a drink, too.
Those sheep know the rules..
I sent somebody to yell at that sheep near the fence...said the sheep got spooked and backed off from him but toward the fence
Man, it's getting dark and cold out. Think I hear wolves howling,, matter a fact I whacked that sheep a couple days ago
this morning it ran when it saw me........
that sheep knows the rules.....it found its way out...... let it find it's way back
If it dies....well.... that sheep knew the rules
One of the sheep got lost, yawn. I need some rest and I'm hungry.... need a drink, too.
Those sheep know the rules..
I sent somebody to yell at that sheep near the fence...said the sheep got spooked and backed off from him but toward the fence
Man, it's getting dark and cold out. Think I hear wolves howling,, matter a fact I whacked that sheep a couple days ago
this morning it ran when it saw me........
that sheep knows the rules.....it found its way out...... let it find it's way back
If it dies....well.... that sheep knew the rules
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Kerry
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