Cancer treatment choices

[CrystalAnkles]

Absolutely not relevant to the topic at hand.

I support real and honest science.
That hasn't happened in a long time for some of these "hot button" topics...and it needs to return. RFK is not returning us to honest science either unfortunately. Honest research and science exists....NOBODY is using any to make decisions and instead using fear mongering and political discourse to drive medical decisions. RFK's decisions arent any better or worse than what was chosen before....both lacked science to drive the decisions.

Dumbest thing I've seen in a long time.

That's a yes.

 

[Eli1]

Did you support and defend the COVID 19 vaccine?

The issue with the Covid vaccine is not the science is the delivery and the over reaction, which in turn gives conspiracy theorists more energy to continue saying non science related stuff.

John is 100% on point. The preying of the weak I was talking about goes both ways.
You might have enterprise level preying and you also have low level quackery preying where whack “spiritual gurus” sell teas or whatever to a dying patient.
A lot of these clinics exist in Mexico where people spent and average of 40k of their life saving for a month in a clinic where nobody knows what they give you.

So I hope God will sort this out some day. The world is ugly and cruel and I don’t know how I’m still here and made it this far but I hope and pray for God to
Open the Heavens and restore ALL the light.

 

[JohnDB]

That's a yes.

There were no roads to travel to arrive at your conclusion....

 

[JohnDB]

The issue with the Covid vaccine is not the science is the delivery and the over reaction, which in turn gives conspiracy theorists more energy to continue saying non science related stuff.

John is 100% on point. The preying of the weak I was talking about goes both ways.
You might have enterprise level preying and you also have low level quackery preying where whack “spiritual gurus” sell teas or whatever to a dying patient.
A lot of these clinics exist in Mexico where people spent and average of 40k of their life saving for a month in a clinic where nobody knows what they give you.

So I hope God will sort this out some day. The world is ugly and cruel and I don’t know how I’m still here and made it this far but I hope and pray for God to
Open the Heavens and restore ALL the light.

The whole Covid-19 thing was all the lying and fractions of truth told the whole time. (And the amount of "stuff" is enough to fill several football stadiums.)
Which causes all the opportunist's to create and invent tons of conspiracy theories.

So we have lies and liars on both sides.

Ugggghhhhh.....
Making everyone not know where to turn for truth.

 

[Eli1]

The whole Covid-19 thing was all the lying and fractions of truth told the whole time. (And the amount of "stuff" is enough to fill several football stadiums.)
Which causes all the opportunist's to create and invent tons of conspiracy theories.

So we have lies and liars on both sides.

Ugggghhhhh.....
Making everyone not know where to turn for truth.

Yes this is what bothers me too.
It’s just incredible of where the world is right now in terms of having a shred of empathy for the weak.
They see them as dollar signs. Unreal.

 

[CrystalAnkles]

There were no roads to travel to arrive at your conclusion....

Except for your searchable post history.
https://christianchat.com/search/5483135/?q=Covid+vaccine&c[users]=JohnDB&o=date

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

Similar to this i heard other cases by doctors, since i work in hospitals for computer-related work, where they gave a patient who had a specific cancer a higher fever from a malaria caused by a specific mosquito and kept his temperature controlled for a couple of days to cure his type of cancer.

The thing is, because cancer is unique for each person, we need the immunotherapy option where your own body fights the cancer after your T-cells are boosted by the medication. This will be the future replacing chemotherapy. Because chemo is like an atomic bomb in your whole body, to treat a small area. Not the best but this is all we got. Hopefully immunotherapy will be the standard, which will allow people to keep standard of life and dignity.

God created certain mushrooms that have that effect. You probably remember me mentioning that to someone.
The body responds to the mushroom with a super abundance of killer-T WBCs.
I'd not likely survived the chronic and acute systemic infections without it.

 

[JohnDB]

Except for your searchable post history.
https://christianchat.com/search/5483135/?q=Covid+vaccine&c[users]=JohnDB&o=date

If you bothered to read anything I said....it was highly nuanced.
Sure, vaccines can have good results.
But those results are again highly nuanced.
Everything has side effects....
And medical decisions are all about calculating risks....which ones being higher.
Medical decisions should not be made by internet fear sellers or even endorsements by anyone. There's literally no blanket answer.

I'm consistent with this message.
And I wouldn't touch the Pfizer if you paid me. Nor the AstraZeneca....the Moderna is the most viable for those choosing to get one....IF you happen to want one by calculating the risks.

This year I did not get a covid booster....the REAL side effects were too much for me this year so I deferred. Y.M.M.V. as is the case for each individual to decide for themselves. And since the consistent honest usual side effects haven't been published I'm not going to mention them.

And since this thread is about cancer....I'm done talking about this subject.

 

[LongJackGolds]

Kellum therapy is one known to work at stage 4 on 12 different types.....consists of nothing more than pure maple syrup and baking soda, recipe is simple 1 teaspoon of syrup , with 1/3 teaspoon of baking soda ,taken 3 times daily , morning ,noon and night.

for topical cancer : equal parts of baking soda and molasses mixed together and applied to the area for 2 to 3 weeks until no longer visible, then continue for another 2 to 3 to make sure theres no root ,as per dr.simoncini

there is also raw honey and cinnamon , which has many uses when mixed together for heart,weight loss ,energy , also a natural cancer killer,
then theres good ole asparagus , 3 table spoons pureed ,canned is best dont pour water out add to puree ,warm or cold ,1 tablespoon 3 times daily.
theres also the book from 1972 called world without cancer by G. Edward Giffin

hope this helps ,Dr Simoncini and his success with baking soda in the treatment of cancers used be able to find on you tube under "cancer is a fungus"

Please just don't. One day you are going to kneel before Jesus and cry in shame you disseminated such harmful information.

That is all a load of CRAP. Anyone here do cancer research or medicine??

Just me?

Your body constantly needs to make new cells. It is a delicate process and the cell has a handful stop mechanisms. If it fails a fail safe, it will kill itself. Once in a while, for any number of reasons, the cell is able to slip by all its internal "fail safes" and go rogue. It stops taking feedback from other cells. The body is in constant communication and this cell no longer lives for the whole, the community, like an individual in a swarm.

To suggest putting baking soda on cancer is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. Cancer is not a fungus. Cancer is a human cell, your own that has gone haywire. That is what makes it so difficult to treat. You cannot put on asparagus puree. That makes no biological sense.

 

[LongJackGolds]

If you bothered to read anything I said....it was highly nuanced.
Sure, vaccines can have good results.
But those results are again highly nuanced.
Everything has side effects....
And medical decisions are all about calculating risks....which ones being higher.
Medical decisions should not be made by internet fear sellers or even endorsements by anyone. There's literally no blanket answer.

I'm consistent with this message.
And I wouldn't touch the Pfizer if you paid me. Nor the AstraZeneca....the Moderna is the most viable for those choosing to get one....IF you happen to want one by calculating the risks.

This year I did not get a covid booster....the REAL side effects were too much for me this year so I deferred. Y.M.M.V. as is the case for each individual to decide for themselves. And since the consistent honest usual side effects haven't been published I'm not going to mention them.

And since this thread is about cancer....I'm done talking about this subject.

Where did you go to medical school? Tell me you at least have a B.S. in virology.

 

[LongJackGolds]

I have a bridge you can use, made with popsicle sticks. I read in a 1969 book by J.Q. Moron about how easy is engineering. I am a self righteous expert on the topic. I use and reuse all natural materials.

Anyone want to drive over it? The fall is only 150 feet.

I also recommend 1975 "At Home Surgery" by Sum Ded Guy.

 

[JohnDB]

Where did you go to medical school? Tell me you at least have a B.S. in virology.

My wife has worked in both fields of epidemiology and cancer research. (Which encompasses more fields than virology)
My friend group is not famous but they do have PHDs.
I, however, do not have a PHD. It was too expensive at the time. (And uninterested in obtaining it)

I'm just a polymath....
Meaning I study everything that interests me in detail and find the real answers.

And for the past 15 years....I have listened to research scientists and my wife ad nauseam about these very subjects.

 

[LongJackGolds]

My wife has worked in both fields of epidemiology and cancer research. (Which encompasses more fields than virology)

In what capacity? Of course virology is not the same as cancer research. You mentioned both cancer and COVID in your post silly.

My friend group is not famous but they do have PHDs.

Uh huh. As every genius knows, having friends with phDs is the same as having on yourself. What are they in and what schools? And don't say there are too many.

I, however, do not have a PHD. It was too expensive at the time. (And uninterested in obtaining it)

Generally you do not need to pay for it, you can do research and such. Did you take the GRE?

I'm just a polymath....
Meaning I study everything that interests me in detail and find the real answers.

And for the past 15 years....I have listened to research scientists and my wife ad nauseam about these very subjects.

About what subjects and what is your wife's title and education? You brought her up.

 

[JohnDB]

With all that I've said above....
Research scientists are not exactly always moral or honest people....highly educated but that really doesn't seem to matter.

I've seen them steal research, plagiarize, strong-arm and extort other scientists for Credit, standing, and even money. Kinda disgusting behavior.
Most small group studies are of cherry picked test subjects. Meaning highly suspect results. Pathology means more than results.
Large group studies are more reliable....kinda. Depending upon who is doing the math. (Always suspect)
The pressure on these people to perform impactful published research is extreme. (Publish or perish)

 

[LongJackGolds]

With all that I've said above....
Research scientists are not exactly always moral or honest people....highly educated but that really doesn't seem to matter.

Where are you getting that from?

I've seen them steal research, plagiarize, strong-arm and extort other scientists for Credit, standing, and even money. Kinda disgusting behavior.

And how exactly have you done that? How have you seen that? Are you an undercover research scientist or did you get caught being a phony and are lashing out?

Most small group studies are of cherry picked test subjects. Meaning highly suspect results. Pathology means more than results.
Large group studies are more reliable....kinda. Depending upon who is doing the math. (Always suspect)
The pressure on these people to perform impactful published research is extreme. (Publish or perish)

And how would you know this? I asked you some very simple questions.

In what capacity (has your wife worked in both fields of epidemiology and cancer research)?

(Regarding your friends with phD which does not matter) What (fields) are they in and what schools (did they go)? And don't say there are too many.

Did you take the GRE?

About what subjects and what is your wife's title and education? You brought her up.

 

[JohnDB]

In what capacity? Of course virology is not the same as cancer research. You mentioned both cancer and COVID in your post silly.
About what subjects and what is your wife's title and education? You brought her up.

My wife is a clinical trial manager at a University hospital in the top 10 for NIH research. (Not Harvard....that ship sailed and they dont pay anyway) she has her master's.

I'm not claiming to be a professional or anything....by all means study the stuff for yourself and come to your own conclusions the same as I have.
I have only related things that I have generalized broadly....but AstraZeneca had massive issues during testing due to poor clinical trial management.....and Pfizer got caught burying Serious Adverse Event logs and CAPPAs....how they did that exactly is another cause for alarm as thats supposed to come from a third party....and also reports of whistleblowers getting silenced.

Currently I'm rather disgusted by the whole mess at the moment to include how the NIH has awarded research grants....how the FDA has approved medications and a bunch of other things. Even RFK is not following science (no different than previous heads)....uggghhhhh. the only thing he has done right is fire everyone there. (They needed to be)

I'm praying things get better....

 

[Lanolin]

As far as I know
Those that underwent clinical trials for new cancer drug combos, and immunotherapy like my mum, had to sign their lives away for this research. I can say, because I went through it with her, that she did not really want to do it, but felt she had no choice.

There were no other options (unless you wanted to pay for the roof, and have no quality of life) So what happened was the trial was free and closely monitored for a combo of two drugs to treat liver cancer. She did about seven cycles of the infusion, before she started having really bad side effects, and had to stop. The side effects were so bad, she nearly lost her life from them, and had to be admitted into hospital to treat them for dehydration and renal failure. Basically she was put on a saline drip and feeding tube.

What they did find was this treatment did stop the cancer from spreading for a while, but all it did was buy time. Her body had reached its limit with the number of cycles though, so I'm not sure what takeaway the research scientists gained from that. After her treatment stopped she just went into palliative care, and went back to eating and drinking normally after being fed Ensure supplement to build her up again. The cancer started spreading again maybe a year or so after this.

From diagnosis to end, it was about 5 years which is normal progression for liver cancer.

 

[Lanolin]

I can't remember the name of the drugs or the company off the top of my head, but if anyone wants to know, I can look it up.
I had mixed feelings about the trials, as the stress of them affected her quality of life, when she got off the trial and placed under hospice care she was much better, and looked healthy and did all things she usually did so much so they took her off hospice, until the cancer started spreading again. Then it had to get REALLY bad before she could go back on hospice again.

Palliative care is just pain management. For mental and physical wellbeing, hospice were a God send as they provided free massage, nurse home visits, and equipment like walking sticks, walkers, and commodes.

They cannot stop cancer, but they can provide comfort while patients and family are suffering through it.

 

[taylor545]

I am reading books about documented cases of people who successfully decided to try natural ways to get well from even the most serious types of cancer. Some did it completely through diet and lifestyle changes, some through a combination of conventionally recommended chemotherapy and such.

I am reading that chemotherapy, though often very successful, causes damage to the body and a lot to the immune system. Factors like this do need thought. So much suffering is caused by it's side effects, but of course it has it's place in treatment.


Of course it is entirely individual choice as each patient has their own opinion over what to do with doctors recommendations. Yet there ARE cases of complete recovery from cancer by entirely natural means of supporting one's immune system. It is a brave choice and some people are successful in finding the key to unlocking their own ability to heal. This is so interesting as I think it is not really an area of great research. Doctors tend to dismiss rare completely natural remissions.

I wonder if anyone here has an opinion or experience or knowledge of someone recovering without medical help?
Do keep in mind I am merely curious, not telling anyone what to do and certainly not seeking arguments. Cancer is so common now and is very scary, it is best to know we have a choice over how to tackle it.
One book I am reading is 'Cancer: Survivors Stories: They did it. You can too,' by Jonathan Chamberlain.

Another is Remarkable Recovery by Caryle Hirshberg. Also The Cancer Survivors Club by Chris Geiger.

The cases in these books are inspirational and often very moving, about very brave patients who knew first hand what it is to face serious illness.

I’d be really careful with the “natural cures only” stuff tbh. Some people absolutely improve quality of life with diet, sleep, stress control etc, but cancer is not the kind of thing I’d gamble on with YouTube gurus and miracle herbs. Combining medical treatment with healthier habits makes way more sense to me.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

Medical Savings Account.

It's an Account that is solely for Medical expenses and is a LOT less restrictive than an insurance policy. It's tax deductible just like health insurance is and you can invest the money like you can a self directed IRA. And when it tops out....you don't have to put any more money into it.

And eventually you can have the money to do anything you want with it. Buying boats, cars or other toys.

But it basically is under Your control and discretion as to what treatment you get....but you can't use trips to the Caymans or other tourist destinations....or purchase non medical devices out of the Account.

The ones that I looked into restricted options to chemicals, radiation and surgery as the only options unless the majority of participants agreed to allow other options.