Catholic vs Protestant debate

[dallasb78]

Hi all, I recently converted to the Catholic Faith from non-practicing christian, and am interested in a debate with protestants regarding the true Church. I would like the debate to many focus on the issue of authority and where it comes from, but i am willing to argue any point.

To Begin,

From who did Martin Luther get the authority to challenge the Catholic Church on doctrine?

 

[maxwel]

Hi all, I recently converted to the Catholic Faith from non-practicing christian, and am interested in a debate with protestants regarding the true Church. I would like the debate to many focus on the issue of authority and where it comes from, but i am willing to argue any point.

To Begin,

From who did Martin Luther get the authority to challenge the Catholic Church on doctrine?

If you just recently converted...

how exactly could you already be studied in Catholic apologetics, and out looking for a debate?

 

[Magenta]

Welcome to CC! This topic has been rather done to death... did you attempt to
track down and read any of the already existent threads on this subject matter?

 

[dallasb78]

A fair question. I've been interested in Christian and Catholic apologetics since before I was Catholic. I'm not studied, other than on an amateur level.

 

[dallasb78]

I skimmed through them. I felt like I could do a better job of defending the Catholic position by starting my own thread.

 

[Magenta]

Do you accept the ex cathedra dogmas your church has put forth
despite the complete dearth of Scripture to support them?

 

[Ugly]

There is a thread full of this debate already. Do we really need another?

 

[dallasb78]

I support the ex cathedra dogmas of the Catholic Church BECAUSE they are supported by both scripture and the Sacred Tradition of the Church.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Hi all, I recently converted to the Catholic Faith from non-practicing christian, and am interested in a debate with protestants regarding the true Church. I would like the debate to many focus on the issue of authority and where it comes from, but i am willing to argue any point.

To Begin,

From who did Martin Luther get the authority to challenge the Catholic Church on doctrine?

Where Martin Luther got the authority to challenge the Catholic Church (RCC) is irrelevant. The word of God is our source for all truth. Roman Catholicism does not abide in that truth. She is pagan through and through from the obelisk sitting out in St.Peter's square, to the worship of Mary, the ritual of the Eucharist, the sacraments, Purgatory, indulgences, ex-cathedra, Catholicism as a hierarchy (see Mt.20:25-26) and much, much more.

Regarding "I recently converted to the Catholic Faith from non-practicing Christian." Personally, I would reverse that and become a practicing Christian going from faith to faith. God is calling people to come out of her, not for them to join her.

 

[Ahwatukee]

I support the ex cathedra dogmas of the Catholic Church BECAUSE they are supported by both scripture and the Sacred Tradition of the Church.

Please provide those scriptures that support ex-cathedra. Regarding tradition, Jesus already told the Jewish leaders and anyone else who is trusting in them that, "by your tradition you make void the word of God".

 

[Magenta]

I support the ex cathedra dogmas of the Catholic Church BECAUSE they are supported by both scripture and the Sacred Tradition of the Church.

You are off to a bad start, since there are no Scriptures stating that Mary was sinless and that she was bodily assumed to heaven. Fact is, your church elevates it's tradition above the Word of God.

 

[dallasb78]

You said "The Word of God is our source for all Truth". While the Church and the Bible does teach that the Scriptures are completely true, on what basis do you claim that the Bible holds ALL truth? And the Issue of authority is always relevant as without it, how can you tell who has the right to interpret the Bible? Or in other words, if two people disagree who gets the final say?

 

[Oncefallen]

Hi all, I recently converted to the Catholic Faith from non-practicing christian, and am interested in a debate with protestants regarding the true Church. I would like the debate to many focus on the issue of authority and where it comes from, but i am willing to argue any point.

If your sole purpose in joining CC was to engage in defending the RCC your welcome here will disappear quickly since the Admin team of CC has long since made their stance on the heretical doctrines of the RCC well known.

 

[Ahwatukee]

I skimmed through them. I felt like I could do a better job of defending the Catholic position by starting my own thread.

Friend, you are attempting to defend Mystery Babylon, the woman who rides the beast. Just a cursory look at the RCC and it doesn't take any time to see the pagan practices and rituals within her. She's a counterfeit of the church full of the characteristics of the mystery religions of Babylon, which is why she is titled "Mystery Babylon".

 

[Magenta]

Saying Mary needed to be sinless so that Jesus could be free from sin
seems as close to blasphemy as one can get these days. And calling Mary
the mother of God and queen of heaven go too far, also. I have even seen
Catholics claim you need to go through Mary to get to Jesus, and she is called
the co-mediatrix as if Jesus needs her help to redeem the world. Scripture
explicitly states there is one mediator (Christ), but your church defies that.

 

[dallasb78]

Its true their are no verses that Mary was sinless or that she was assumed into heaven but their doesn't need to be. While the Bible is all true that doesn't mean that all truth is in the Bible.

 

[dallasb78]

If Jesus is God and Mary is His mother than Mary is the "Mother of God". Its just that simple. Catholics are not saying that she is greater than God.

 

[Magenta]

Its true their are no verses that Mary was sinless or that she was assumed into heaven but their doesn't need to be. While the Bible is all true that doesn't mean that all truth is in the Bible.

You said in post #8 that these dogmas were supported by Scripture. Like I said, the church you have chosen elevates it's manmade traditions above the revealed written Word of God, and the very words of Jesus Christ Himself.

No one comes to the Father except through me.

 

[maxwel]

Martin Luther's authority?

Martin Luther didn't really question anything until he visited the Vatican, and saw all the unspeakable corruption and ungodliness of the church hierarchy.

When he saw all the corruption, and depravity of the church hierarchy...
THAT is what made him first question the "SACRED TRADITIONS OF THE CHURCH".

He was forced to question the SACRED TRADITIONS, which came ONLY FROM THE LEADERSHIP, because it was OBVIOUS that the LEADERSHIP could NOT BE TRUSTED, as they were indulging in blatant greed, filth, and debauchery... so he began to study the scripture.

So, since Martin Luther began his quest for truth and authority upon seeing the corruption of the Vatican, maybe that's where we should focus our attention. Lets focus all our attention on the corruption of the Vatican.

Yep.
If we start by focusing on the corruption of the Vatican...
then we'll truly be following in Martin Luther's footsteps...
and we'll truly understand why he felt the Vatican was not qualified to be an authority.

So... let's talk about all the corruption of the Vatican and the RCC.

THAT is the historical place to start.

 

[Utah]

You are off to a bad start, since there are no Scriptures stating that Mary was sinless and that she was bodily assumed to heaven. Fact is, your church elevates it's tradition above the Word of God.

That right there should end the debate, but sadly it won't.

I work in hospice. The other day I told a man that his dying wife did not need the Sacrament of the Sick in order to be forgiven of her sins, receive salvation and "make it" into Heaven. She only needed faith in Jesus. He couldn't believe it! He was astounded; he was elated!