Catholics are not idolators or pagans- if they are so then so also was Moses!

[2Thewaters]

This thread is an excuse to disobey the second commandment.

Rev 9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:


in the last days, if someone has any idols they will get the plagues...

 

[wanderer6059]

Deuteronomy 18:10-11, "Let there not be found among you one who sacrifices his son or his daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, Casts spells, or who consults familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer or who consults the dead."

you know that's talking about the oculist right? not a prayer
Revelation 5:8

8 When He had taken the book, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before theLamb, each one holding a harp and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.

hey look i can take scripture out of context like you too

 

[Hizikyah]

you know that's talking about the oculist right? not a prayer
Revelation 5:8

8 When He had taken the book, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before theLamb, each one holding a harp and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.

hey look i can take scripture out of context like you too

Ohh ok, so having a medium consult the dead and doing it yourself completely changes the act then?

 

[wanderer6059]

Ohh ok, so having a medium consult the dead and doing it yourself completely changes the act then?

when you pray to the saints its the same as asking another person living to pray for you like praying to Paul that he pray to Christ for an understanding of the message that he had. its not like hey Paul how are you doing then waiting for a response...do you get it?

 

[Jay1]

I too just joined and I saw your post and felt compelled to respond. I am truely sorry that you are upset and hurt. Allow me to please share what I have learned about the 1st beast (and 2nd) of Revelation 13. It is not my intention to offend or hurt anyone, if we are Christian then we are all God's children and should study the Word in love. When it comes to prophecy concerning the end times the book of Daniel and Revelation go hand in hand and the Catholic Church System plays a huge part when it comes to end time prophecy. In Daniel 2:31-45 the metal image represents kingdoms that conquered and captured God's people. The head is Babylon, breast and arms Medo Persia, belly and thighs Greece, legs Roman Empire and feet Roman Catholic Church system. The stone represents Jesus, God's Kingdom. King Nebuchadnezzar tried to make the three hebrews worship the all gold statue that he made (trying to make his kingdom last forever -change times) but they refused, Daniel 3. Daniel 7 is the same message only with beasts representing the kingdoms or nations. The 4th beast is the Roman Empire and the little horn comes out of it- the Roman Catholic Church system. Daniel 7:25 wear out the saints (is talking about the dark ages), times is trying to change bible prophecy (preterism and futurism) and laws is the Ten commandments (changed the 2nd, 4th, and 10th). Revelation 13:1 same beast as Daniel 7:7. Revelation 13:11 is the USA. There is so much more but you should do your own research, ask the Holy Spirit to guide you. This info is also in the history books, about the empires.


If we are God's children we should want to follow his Ten Commandments and not traditions of men , Mark 7:7-9. Moses and the children of Israel never worshipped or bow down to the two angels on the ark of the covenant because that would be breaking the 2nd commandment that the Lord had just given to them. God's glory in the form of a cloud and fire was above the ark of the covenant, above the mercy seat, they were worshipping God, Exodus 40:20-21, 38. In Exodus 32 the people that worshipped the golden calf were killed. But notice what Aaron said in Exodus 32:5. Worship to God is done by God's standards not man's, even if he is a priest. The statues in the Catholic church are the same statues that represented the pagan gods and when the church adopted christianity they kept them and gave them apostles names. Also no where in the bible are we told to pray to Mary or that she is in heaven at this time. She is still sleeping.

Jesus has followers in many different denominations but some of us are not worshipping him the correct way, John 10:16. He calls this system Babylon (confusion) and he is telling his people to come out of her, Revelation 18: 1-5. Once again to my Catholic brothers and sisters I am not here to offend or hurt anyone. Jesus said we are the light of the world, we must spread the truth. God bless and keep you.

 

[jeff3]

Acts 10:34-38.

"God does not have faorites,but anyone who fears God and does what is right is acceptable to him"

 

[Hizikyah]

when you pray to the saints its the same as asking another person living to pray for you like praying to Paul that he pray to Christ for an understanding of the message that he had. its not like hey Paul how are you doing then waiting for a response...do you get it?

Except they are dead and sleeping, waiting for the resurrection.

 

[genuine_concern]

Why I left the Roman Catholic church! (personal testimony)

I want to give some information, of what being raised a Catholic, can bring to the work that God has willed for you.

Following are my notes on a sermon that I preached shortly after I was converted from the Catholic Church back in 1962. It was the first sermon that I preached.

1) The First Reason I Left Is Because The Catholics Do Not Have The Right Attitude Toward The Truth.

2) The Next Reason I Left Is Because The Bible Only Is The All Sufficient Guide To Salvation, But The Catholic Church Teaches That It Is Not.

3) The Third Reason I Left Is Because Christ Did Not Make His Church Infallible As The Catholic Church Teaches.

4) A Fourth Reason I Left Was Because Christ Did Not Make Peter A Pope.


-Catholics Disregard The Word Of God
-Catholics Claim That New Testament Is Uninspired
-Catholics Claim The Church Is Authority
-Did The Catholics Give Us The Bible?
-Out Of Paganism Grew The Papacy
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[john832]

As a baptist, i personally do not agreed with the baptist belief "one saved, forever saved, even while sinning constantly"
correct me if i am wrong

You are very correct!

 

[john832]

@PennEd

That is an inaccurate description.

Note that Purgatory is not a place for people to be forgiven. The souls in Purgatory are already saved. They already chose God in their earthly life, and so are already destined to enter the Kingdom of God.

Purgatory is a place of purification, not forgiveness. Keep in mind that none can enter Heaven if their souls are stained with even a tiny bit of sin. If Purgatory didn't exist, than so many poor souls will be dammed for their small sins.

Purgatory is a perfect example of God's infinite mercy; saying that it is a demonic doctrine is unreasonable.

Saying that Christ cannot purify by Himself, that one must be tormented for a period of time to purify that person is heresy.

Heb 1:3 who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,

 

[notuptome]

Why I left the Roman Catholic church! (personal testimony)

I want to give some information, of what being raised a Catholic, can bring to the work that God has willed for you.

Following are my notes on a sermon that I preached shortly after I was converted from the Catholic Church back in 1962. It was the first sermon that I preached.

1) The First Reason I Left Is Because The Catholics Do Not Have The Right Attitude Toward The Truth.

2) The Next Reason I Left Is Because The Bible Only Is The All Sufficient Guide To Salvation, But The Catholic Church Teaches That It Is Not.

3) The Third Reason I Left Is Because Christ Did Not Make His Church Infallible As The Catholic Church Teaches.

4) A Fourth Reason I Left Was Because Christ Did Not Make Peter A Pope.


-Catholics Disregard The Word Of God
-Catholics Claim That New Testament Is Uninspired
-Catholics Claim The Church Is Authority
-Did The Catholics Give Us The Bible?
-Out Of Paganism Grew The Papacy
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I appreciate your courage for making this post. Catholics are good people but the church they trust is deceiving them. My wife was a catholic when I married her but has since received Christ as her Savior. We anguish over her family that they might one day receive Christ and be saved. It is very difficult to leave what one has been taught from a child but the truth cannot be denied. Only God can change a heart and lead souls out of darkness into His marvelous light.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[john832]

Why make a big fuss over mary. its just like saying 'oh holy michael and gabriel exalted above all other angels plead my cause before the throne of grace'. which wont make sense becus we r exalted above them. And it wont make sense too in the case of mary since she isnt above u. only God is above man not mary or paul or peter or moses etc.
New International Version (psalm 50:15)
and call on me in the day of trouble; I will deliver you, and you will honor me."

it dint say call on Mary and I will save you. and u may honour her. Our buisness as christians is with God only (Father,Son,and HolySpirit.)

Because there is no one there, they are dead.

Joh 3:13 No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven.

Joh 13:33 Little children, I shall be with you a little while longer. You will seek Me; and as I said to the Jews, 'Where I am going, you cannot come,' so now I say to you.

No one goes to heaven, Christ returns here.

1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive.

When?

1Co 15:23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ's at His coming.

1Co 15:51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed—
1Co 15:52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: "DEATH IS SWALLOWED UP IN VICTORY."

When do we put on immortality?

1Co 15:52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Praying to dead people does nothing. Christ Himself tells us to pray to the Father...

Mat 6:8 "Therefore do not be like them. For your Father knows the things you have need of before you ask Him.
Mat 6:9 In this manner, therefore, pray: Our Father in heaven, Hallowed be Your name.

And we pray in the name of Christ...

Joh 14:12 "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also; and greater works than these he will do, because I go to My Father.
Joh 14:13 And whatever you ask in My name, that I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
Joh 14:14 If you ask anything in My name, I will do it.

 

[john832]

That is weird as I watched a whole group of Catholics fall all over themselves to view and kiss a glass case with a fragment of bone (so called bone from Peter) and then weep and wail like they had witnessed the throne room of God himself. Sorry, but to pray to statues, weeping pictures of Mary, bone fragments and a mere man in a white suit qualifies as idolatry in my book!

Exo 20:4 "You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth;
Exo 20:5 you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me,
Exo 20:6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

 

[john832]

Catholics teaches that all religions lead to Christ whether you are buddah or Muslim you will be saved I heard this for my own ears even by billy Graham this is a work of the Antichrist the devils son

Recently the Pope said that even atheists could be saved?

 

[john832]

To be fair, I am an equal opportunity offender; I am against all the churches who follow Mystery Babylon.

Revelation 17:5, "And upon her head was a name written: MYSTERY BABYLON THE GREAT THE MOTHER OF THE HARLOTS AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH."

We are in lockstep on this one.

 

[john832]

Except they are dead and sleeping, waiting for the resurrection.

EXACTLY! They cannot hear you. They are dead and will be dead until the resurrection(s).

 

[notuptome]

EXACTLY! They cannot hear you. They are dead and will be dead until the resurrection(s).

Only the body lies asleep in the grave. They cannot hear you because they are with the Lord and have better things to do.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[john832]

Only the body lies asleep in the grave. They cannot hear you because they are with the Lord and have better things to do.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

No, not what the scripture says...

1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive.
1Co 15:23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ's at His coming.

The body of the saints is not what is resurrected...

1Co 15:35 But someone will say, "How are the dead raised up? And with what body do they come?"
1Co 15:36 Foolish one, what you sow is not made alive unless it dies.
1Co 15:37 And what you sow, you do not sow that body that shall be, but mere grain—perhaps wheat or some other grain.
1Co 15:38 But God gives it a body as He pleases, and to each seed its own body.

What makes you you, is not your body. What make you the individual you are is what is made alive again. Paul shows here that the body that is buried is not what is resurrected. God gives you a body. What is made alive again is what makes you an individual. The idea of the immortal soul is 6000 years old...

Gen 3:4 Then the serpent said to the woman, "You will not surely die.

And it is not the doctrine of God. Here is what God says about man...

Gen 3:19 In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread Till you return to the ground, For out of it you were taken; For dust you are, And to dust you shall return."

Notice that God does not say your body is dust but you have an immortal soul? He says what makes you the individual you are ceases at death...

Ecc 9:5 For the living know that they will die; But the dead know nothing, And they have no more reward, For the memory of them is forgotten.

Ecc 9:10 Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with your might; for there is no work or device or knowledge or wisdom in the grave where you are going.

Psa 115:17 The dead do not praise the LORD, Nor any who go down into silence.

Our hope is the resurrection from the dead...

Act 17:30 Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent,
Act 17:31 because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead."
Act 17:32 And when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked, while others said, "We will hear you again on this matter."

Php 3:11 if, by any means, I may attain to the resurrection from the dead.

Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

 

[notuptome]

2 Cor 5:8 absent from the body present with the Lord.

God does not slumber and neither does the soul of man.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[tucksma]

We don't sacrifice our own sons and daughters, practice witchcraft, sorcery, or consult the dead when we're praying the Rosary, the Our father and the creeds.

Do your homework son. What we believe in is biblical.

Marry is dead. You consult with her.