Central African Republic mob stops Muslims fleeing: ‘We’re going to kill you all’

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Re: Central African Republic mob stops Muslims fleeing: ‘We’re going to kill you all’

[video]http://weaselzippers.us/175159-video-syrian-christians-take-up-arms-to-defend-themselves-against-islamic-terrorists/[/video]

How dare these Christians defend themselves and simply not just die or convert to islam!
 
Re: Central African Republic mob stops Muslims fleeing: ‘We’re going to kill you all’

jimmydiggs said:
It's also what the military of the Caliphate said when they attacked Christian cities during the expansion of the caliphate. Pay Jizya and be humiliated daily, become Muslim, or be excuted.

I don't really like these kinds of threads, but to be honest, you seem to be missing the point.
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Hi Jimmy

I made a point at the start of the thread before people derailed the thread to vent their hatred. It may well answer what people have been stating. I am not really interested in the point made by people with no manners. :)
 
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How then, praytell, can you be interested in your own opinion? ;)

In his book "Negation in India" Famous Belgian historian Koenraad Elst wrote:

"The Blitzkrieg of the Muslim armies in the first decades after the birth of their religion had such enduring results precisely because the Pagan populations in West- and Central-Asia had no choice (except death) but to convert. Whatever the converts' own resentment, their children grew up as Muslims and gradually identified with this religion. Within a few generations the initial resistance against these forcible converions was forgotten, and these areas became heidenfrei (free from Pagans, cfr. judenfrei).

The Muslim conquests, down to the 16th century, were for the Hindus a pure struggle of life and death. Entire cities were burnt down and the populations massacred, with hundreds of thousands killed in every campaign, and similar numbers deported as slaves. Every new invader made (often literally) his hills of Hindus skulls. Thus, the conquest of Afghanistan in the year 1000 was followed by the annihilation of the Hindu population; the region is still called the Hindu Kush, i.e. Hindu slaughter. The Bahmani sultans (1347-1480) in central India made it a rule to kill 100,000 captives in a single day, and many more on other occasions. The conquest of the Vijayanagar empire in 1564 left the capital plus large areas of Karnataka depopulated. And so on."

The Indian (subcontinent) population decreased by 80 million between 1000 (conquest of Afghanistan) and 1525 (end of Delhi Sultanate).

That's just one Muslim perpetuated genocide in which 80 million people were murdered by Muslims. Of course, there are many others.


Drett said:
Hi Jimmy

I made a point at the start of the thread before people derailed the thread to vent their hatred. It may well answer what people have been stating. I am not really interested in the point made by people with no manners. :)
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AgeofKnowledge said:
How then, praytell, can you be interested in your own opinion? ;)

In his book "Negation in India" Famous Belgian historian Koenraad Elst wrote:

"The Blitzkrieg of the Muslim armies in the first decades after the birth of their religion had such enduring results precisely because the Pagan populations in West- and Central-Asia had no choice (except death) but to convert. Whatever the converts' own resentment, their children grew up as Muslims and gradually identified with this religion. Within a few generations the initial resistance against these forcible converions was forgotten, and these areas became heidenfrei (free from Pagans, cfr. judenfrei).

The Muslim conquests, down to the 16th century, were for the Hindus a pure struggle of life and death. Entire cities were burnt down and the populations massacred, with hundreds of thousands killed in every campaign, and similar numbers deported as slaves. Every new invader made (often literally) his hills of Hindus skulls. Thus, the conquest of Afghanistan in the year 1000 was followed by the annihilation of the Hindu population; the region is still called the Hindu Kush, i.e. Hindu slaughter. The Bahmani sultans (1347-1480) in central India made it a rule to kill 100,000 captives in a single day, and many more on other occasions. The conquest of the Vijayanagar empire in 1564 left the capital plus large areas of Karnataka depopulated. And so on."

The Indian (subcontinent) population decreased by 80 million between 1000 (conquest of Afghanistan) and 1525 (end of Delhi Sultanate).

That's just one Muslim perpetuated genocide in which 80 million people were murdered by Muslims. Of course, there are many others.
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Hi Aok

As I discussed with you earlier. There were atrocities done by Muslims and Christians. I believe the atrocities done by Christians were Christians not following the teachings of Jesus. We differ on opinion on the driving force on atrocities committed by Muslims. That is fine.
 
Re: Central African Republic mob stops Muslims fleeing: ‘We’re going to kill you all’

The Muslims were viciously conquering nations and murdering people at will especially when they refused to convert to their false religious system.
 
Re: Central African Republic mob stops Muslims fleeing: ‘We’re going to kill you all’

AgeofKnowledge said:
The Muslims were viciously conquering nations and murdering people at will especially when they refused to convert to their false religious system.
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Like I said Muslims behaving badly. I think we had this discussion before.
 
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And we'll have it again I'm sure. Here's what you left out of your biased presentation Drett:

"Bands of Muslim Seleka extremists still roam the empty streets and abandoned dwellings of Bangui, the capital of the C.A.R., hunting down and killing Christians who were not able to flee.

When Muslim Seleka rebels of the Central African Republic's [C.A.R.] swept south to seize the capital city, Bangui, and ousted the Christian President Francois Bozize in March, 2013, the event received sparse attention in Western media. What the media still seems unwilling to see is that the Seleka onslaught is unwittingly serving a wider offensive by Muslim extremists to expand the realm of Islam into the African continent's sub-Saharan interior.

Bangui, the capital of a country the size of Texas, has become a ghost town. Almost all of its citizens occupy a nearby airport protected by French troops. Bands of Muslim extremists still roam the empty streets and abandoned dwellings hunting down and killing Christians who were not able to flee. Moreover, small groups of Christians have returned to a few neighborhoods of Bangui to take revenge on isolated Muslim Seleka rebels, who having been cut off from their comrades and were discovered hiding in the ruins of the capital city."

UN: Christians in CAR Facing ‘Genocide’ « Persecution News

U.N. officials see risk of genocide in Central African Republic | Reuters

In typical fashion Drett, you misrepresented the situation. You completely omitted the fact that militant Muslims are perpetuating genocide there and the Christian response is in reaction to being murdered.

When are we going to see the slightest integrity from you Drett? Never?


Drett said:
Like I said Muslims behaving badly. I think we had this discussion before.
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Re: Central African Republic mob stops Muslims fleeing: ‘We’re going to kill you all’

I don't think that Christian should kill any body. Christian have duty and that is to love people. The one who kill other is not really Christian. You can tell the tree by it fruit.

Only if the branch abide vine than the branch produce the fruit of love. Don't expect the fruit of love from non Christian.

So it normal for non christian to kill, hate etc. But the problem is when people call them self christian and murder. This is serious problem. This people are not save.

If muslim kill real christian, that like to bring a joy to this christian, because he move to mention in heaven forever with the Lord. He is going to city where the roses never fade, but if muslim kill by so call christian it is real sad.

And there isn't christian kill other, they are not christian and we need to love them to, show them to abide to the vine.
 
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I'm pretty sure there is nothing wrong with defending yourself.
So what, a christian is supposed to sit there and wait to get killed?
I think not..
Even if we show these monsters love, they will still kill us.
 
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Sophia, we can hide and run, but to kill other is not what Jesus teach. When Stephen stone to dead, He pray for them, and as God to forgive them, not fight back at all. Our focus is not on earth. our focus is heaven.

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AgeofKnowledge said:
In typical fashion Drett, you misrepresented the situation. You completely omitted the fact that militant Muslims are perpetuating genocide there and the Christian response is in reaction to being murdered.

When are we going to see the slightest integrity from you Drett? Never?
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There are two side two every story. I reported on the side that rarely gets heard here. Just as people here report on the crimes in Nigeria and ignore what the Christian cannibals have done.
 
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The problem with your post is that it's illogical and goes against scripture.

The Bible teaches that we have the right to self defense, Exodus 22:2: "If the thief is caught while breaking in, and is struck so that he dies, there will be no blood guiltiness on his account."

The Bible also tells us to protect the innocent, Deut. 19:10, "So innocent blood will not be shed in the midst of your land which the Lord your God gives you as an inheritance, and blood guiltiness be on you."

We also have a commandment to love our neighbor as the second greatest commandment.

What you; however, are advocating is that Christians violate scripture and evilly stand by watching innocent neighbors murdered by evil deceived murderers without stopping it.

Furthermore, war is not a sin in itself since in the Old Testament God sends people into war:

"Then the Lord spoke to Moses in the plains of Moab by the Jordan opposite Jericho, saying, 51 "Speak to the sons of Israel and say to them, "When you cross over the Jordan into the land of Canaan, 52 then you shall drive out all the inhabitants of the land from before you, and destroy all their figured stones, and destroy all their molten images and demolish all their high places; 53 and you shall take possession of the land and live in it, for I have given the land to you to possess it," (Num. 33:50-53).

Going to war is not wrong it itself and a Christian can go to war under the right circumstances.

And note the commandment "Thou shalt not kill" is not as general as the King James version would indicate. The commandment actually refers to premeditated, unjustified murder... an evil act that you would stand by and watch happen without lifting a finger to try and stop. I hope you never are my neighbor.

In the Old Testament, God ordered the extermination of entire cities full of the most wicked people imaginable and He did so in righteous judgment due to their extreme wickedness which included the mixing of occultic practices with blatant sexual immorality of the highest order which included sacrificing their children to demons.

But God did not destroy the righteous along with the wicked. He demonstrated this principle by saving righteous people from Sodom and Jericho prior to their destruction. The charge that God indiscriminately murdered people does not hold to to critical evaluation of the biblical texts. It was a holy judgment to prevent a cycle of extreme reprobate wickedness from propagating generation to generation. His holiness and love required that the cycle be broken and since the people would not repent, they were judged.

You'll have to give an account to God someday why you violated His Word and advocated that Christians, the salt and light of the world, could not use deadly force to stop the murder of innocent people after God said we should when necessary.


Jackson123 said:
I don't think that Christian should kill any body. Christian have duty and that is to love people. The one who kill other is not really Christian. You can tell the tree by it fruit.

Only if the branch abide vine than the branch produce the fruit of love. Don't expect the fruit of love from non Christian.

So it normal for non christian to kill, hate etc. But the problem is when people call them self christian and murder. This is serious problem. This people are not save.

If muslim kill real christian, that like to bring a joy to this christian, because he move to mention in heaven forever with the Lord. He is going to city where the roses never fade, but if muslim kill by so call christian it is real sad.

And there isn't christian kill other, they are not christian and we need to love them to, show them to abide to the vine.
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Re: Central African Republic mob stops Muslims fleeing: ‘We’re going to kill you all’

A handful of young men engaged in atrocious unChristian behavior. You cannot extrapolate that outside of the few who did that simply because no one else is doing it except a few young men who are violating Christianity in doing it.

On the other hand, when large numbers of Muslims roam the countryside murdering Christians at will to "expand the realm of Islam into the African continent's sub-Saharan interior" they are acting within the teachings of Islam which is a false religious system that condones murder upon those who resist Muslim invasion.

What you're doing is trying to compare ten bad apples violating the religion they claim with a hundred thousand bad oranges acting in line with the religion they claim.

It doesn't work (except in your mind).


Drett said:
Just as people here report on the crimes in Nigeria and ignore what the Christian cannibals have done.
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Drett said:
BANGUI, CENTRAL AFRICAN REPUBLIC—Thousands of Muslims who tried to flee the sectarian violence in Central African Republic’s capital were turned back by peacekeepers Friday, as crowds of angry Christians shouted “we’re going to kill you all.” The convoy stopped before entering a neighbourhood wracked by fresh fighting.

Some cars carried as many as 10 people as the convoy made its way through Bangui, the second such mass exodus in a week. Christians gathered alongside the road to taunt the Muslims, many of whom have been targeted by murderous mobs in recent weeks.



Central African Republic mob stops Muslims fleeing: ‘We’re going to kill you all’ | Toronto Star

Angry people rarely make good role models. Their anger consumes them.
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they are not christian..
 
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AgeofKnowledge said:
What you're doing is trying to compare ten bad apples violating the religion they claim with a hundred thousand bad oranges acting in line with the religion they claim.

It doesn't work (except in your mind).
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Ni I am saying they are all bad apples. We don't have a difference of opinion on what drives the Christian criminals that kill but we have a difference of opinion on what drives the Muslim criminals that kill.
 
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I doubt many Muslims will be outraged or upset when a new Islamic country of Northern Nigeria is formed. The dirty work to achieve this is done under the guise of terrorism, that way nations and leaders can pretend to throw their arms up in the air and say "nothing to do with us" and say all the right things to keep non-islamic countries happy.
 
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AgeofKnowledge said:
The problem with your post is that it's illogical and goes against scripture.


The Bible teaches that we have the right to self defense, Exodus 22:2: "If the thief is caught while breaking in, and is struck so that he dies, there will be no blood guiltiness on his account."


The Bible also tells us to protect the innocent, Deut. 19:10, "So innocent blood will not be shed in the midst of your land which the Lord your God gives you as an inheritance, and blood guiltiness be on you."


We also have a commandment to love our neighbor as the second greatest commandment.


What you; however, are advocating is that Christians violate scripture and evilly stand by watching innocent neighbors murdered by evil deceived murderers without stopping it.


Furthermore, war is not a sin in itself since in the Old Testament God sends people into war:


"Then the Lord spoke to Moses in the plains of Moab by the Jordan opposite Jericho, saying, 51 "Speak to the sons of Israel and say to them, "When you cross over the Jordan into the land of Canaan, 52 then you shall drive out all the inhabitants of the land from before you, and destroy all their figured stones, and destroy all their molten images and demolish all their high places; 53 and you shall take possession of the land and live in it, for I have given the land to you to possess it," (Num. 33:50-53).


Going to war is not wrong it itself and a Christian can go to war under the right circumstances.


And note the commandment "Thou shalt not kill" is not as general as the King James version would indicate. The commandment actually refers to premeditated, unjustified murder... an evil act that you would stand by and watch happen without lifting a finger to try and stop. I hope you never are my neighbor.


In the Old Testament, God ordered the extermination of entire cities full of the most wicked people imaginable and He did so in righteous judgment due to their extreme wickedness which included the mixing of occultic practices with blatant sexual immorality of the highest order which included sacrificing their children to demons.


But God did not destroy the righteous along with the wicked. He demonstrated this principle by saving righteous people from Sodom and Jericho prior to their destruction. The charge that God indiscriminately murdered people does not hold to to critical evaluation of the biblical texts. It was a holy judgment to prevent a cycle of extreme reprobate wickedness from propagating generation to generation. His holiness and love required that the cycle be broken and since the people would not repent, they were judged.


You'll have to give an account to God someday why you violated His Word and advocated that Christians, the salt and light of the world, could not use deadly force to stop the murder of innocent people after God said we should when necessary.
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Thank you.. Some of these Christians can have fun being sitting ducks waiting to be slaughtered.
I will defend myself. I will never murder someone. I will hide, and if I'm found, then I will kill in self defense to protect me and my loved ones. There is a difference between kill and murder.
 
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AgeofKnowledge said:
The problem with your post is that it's illogical and goes against scripture.

The Bible teaches that we have the right to self defense, Exodus 22:2: "If the thief is caught while breaking in, and is struck so that he dies, there will be no blood guiltiness on his account."

The Bible also tells us to protect the innocent, Deut. 19:10, "So innocent blood will not be shed in the midst of your land which the Lord your God gives you as an inheritance, and blood guiltiness be on you."

We also have a commandment to love our neighbor as the second greatest commandment.

What you; however, are advocating is that Christians violate scripture and evilly stand by watching innocent neighbors murdered by evil deceived murderers without stopping it.

Furthermore, war is not a sin in itself since in the Old Testament God sends people into war:

"Then the Lord spoke to Moses in the plains of Moab by the Jordan opposite Jericho, saying, 51 "Speak to the sons of Israel and say to them, "When you cross over the Jordan into the land of Canaan, 52 then you shall drive out all the inhabitants of the land from before you, and destroy all their figured stones, and destroy all their molten images and demolish all their high places; 53 and you shall take possession of the land and live in it, for I have given the land to you to possess it," (Num. 33:50-53).

Going to war is not wrong it itself and a Christian can go to war under the right circumstances.

And note the commandment "Thou shalt not kill" is not as general as the King James version would indicate. The commandment actually refers to premeditated, unjustified murder... an evil act that you would stand by and watch happen without lifting a finger to try and stop. I hope you never are my neighbor.

In the Old Testament, God ordered the extermination of entire cities full of the most wicked people imaginable and He did so in righteous judgment due to their extreme wickedness which included the mixing of occultic practices with blatant sexual immorality of the highest order which included sacrificing their children to demons.

But God did not destroy the righteous along with the wicked. He demonstrated this principle by saving righteous people from Sodom and Jericho prior to their destruction. The charge that God indiscriminately murdered people does not hold to to critical evaluation of the biblical texts. It was a holy judgment to prevent a cycle of extreme reprobate wickedness from propagating generation to generation. His holiness and love required that the cycle be broken and since the people would not repent, they were judged.

You'll have to give an account to God someday why you violated His Word and advocated that Christians, the salt and light of the world, could not use deadly force to stop the murder of innocent people after God said we should when necessary.
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we are under New testament brother. Under old testament, if some body caught adultery must stone to dead. We not doing anymore, why? because we not in that law anymore.

Why Stephen not pray to the Lord to kill all the murderer instead to forgive them? Retaliation is in the hand of God.
 
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I'm not saying they must be killed. What I said is they must be stopped from murdering.

Often murderers don't just give up and let you make a citizen's arrest on them if you haven't noticed. You have to kill them to stop them from murdering people. In such cases, it's both necessary and desirable to kill them to stop them from murdering people.

But the death penalty certainly is justified in such cases after they are caught and there are tremendous benefits to society to executing murderers. We've gone over this many times here at CC. You might want to do a search.

One of the bonuses of executing murderers is that the prison systems are not held in the grip of lifer murderers running their respective prison gangs which work with their respective street gangs to fill murder contracts both in prison and in society as occurs now.

Executing them makes it impossible for them to continue issuing murder contracts from their cells and also breaks their hold on the prison system allowing it to turn its attention to reform something lifer murderer prison gang leaders materially prevent from occurring presently.

Jackson123 said:
we are under New testament brother. Under old testament, if some body caught adultery must stone to dead. We not doing anymore, why? because we not in that law anymore.

Why Stephen not pray to the Lord to kill all the murderer instead to forgive them? Retaliation is in the hand of God.
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