Children of the Promise

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KJV1611 said:
Look I don't play the name calling game. Sure you do. You are calling me a liar by saying I lie. If I'm wrong correct me with scripture rather than LYING and call me an antI-semite. The bible says the children of God are not the children of the flesh and I believe it. PROVE THAT VERSE WRONG!
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1. I did NOT call you anything....I said you are coming across as an anti-Semite...you do love to goad folks on..not the first time you call someone a liar or say they are lying. That seems to be a regular feature of yours.

2. The Bible says waaaaay more then one verse you have cherry picked to substantiate your lack of understanding

3. I don't have to convince you or prove anything to you. You already have 66 books from which to draw your conclusions and apparently you have already done that.

4. You believe the KJV of the Bible is inspired which indicates you have crossed a line into the exclusion zone
 
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Peter was quoting from the OT with the below in bold:

1 Peter 2:5-10
5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.


6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on Him shall not be confounded.


7 Unto you therefore which believe He is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,


8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.


9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of Him Who hath called you out of darkness into His marvellous light:


10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.
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Peter did apply that to ALL... of Christ's Church, made up of BOTH believing Israelites and believing Gentiles. But originally, that in bold above he quoted was written only to the children of Israel in the OT.
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.......And?
 
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It does show the Jews killed Jesus Christ

Acts 3:14 But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you;

Acts 3:15 And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses.

As Stephen said,

Acts 7:52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers

Then they stones Stephen there in 59

Then Paul said,

1 Thes 2:14 For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews:

1 Thes 2:15 Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men

1 Thes 2:16 Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.

I think one can safely say they did without saying evil since the apostles could say the same without being evil in saying so.

They being Abraham's seed after the flesh

Jesus said to them,

John 8:37 I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.

Agar answers to Jerusalem,

Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

Whereas Paul said,

Gal 4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

In contrast to

Gal 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.




 
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It was Abraham that God accounted righteousness to in the Promise by Faith which God offered him, not Isaac (see Gal.3 also). So let's not talk about who can or cannot understand plainly written words in The Bible. But through Isaac's seed the inheritance would continue.

You mock our Heavenly Father when you say the family that Christ Jesus would be born through were not 'chosen'.
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You need to go back and read what I wrote and UNERTSTAND it before you comment. I know who the promise was given to, it was given to Abraham and the SEED was called in Isaac. Isaac was not called because he was a FLESH descendant of Abraham, he was called because Isaac was a child of the PROMISE! Paul was a child of promise, Peter was a child of promise, I am a child of promise.. none of us were chosen because of our earthly heritage.

Galatians 4:28 KJV
Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

If you're going to respond to this please read and understand what I wrote, dont skim it thinking you know what I'm talking about.
 
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1. I did NOT call you anything....I said you are coming across as an anti-Semite...you do love to goad folks on..not the first time you call someone a liar or say they are lying. That seems to be a regular feature of yours.

2. The Bible says waaaaay more then one verse you have cherry picked to substantiate your lack of understanding

3. I don't have to convince you or prove anything to you. You already have 66 books from which to draw your conclusions and apparently you have already done that.

4. You believe the KJV of the Bible is inspired which indicates you have crossed a line into the exclusion zone
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I am sorry for offending you. This kind of discussion ought not be, so I will bow out of this with you.
 
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here is my understanding and what I have learned about the children of promise from my time of seeking God and going into a closed solitude to be with him.
There is a reason that the cross of all the symbols was used for Jesus to die on. Think of the cross in this there are four ends the top end represents heaven or God's kingdom the bottom represents earth the world mankind the right is Jews the left the gentiles
And Jesus pinned and dying on it connected and brought all of it together. Fathers intentions was never for just the Jews to be his children to be the children of promise, regardless of race regardless of bloodline regardless of past sins of weaknesses the children of promise has always been and always will be anyone who accepts his loving embrace anyone who seeks after and hungers and adores his heart anyone whose heart constantly chases after his own anyone who desires and craves a deeper love and stronger bond closer connection with him.

These are the children of promise those who love and adore and treasure him with all their hearts who desire to know him to dive deeper into the realm of his heart with every fiber of their being every cell within their body.
 
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KJV1611 said:
I am sorry for offending you. This kind of discussion ought not be, so I will bow out of this with you.
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Oh no you don't

you did not offend me...what you did, was to call me a liar, misquote me and then push your personal belief on all of us

that is not a personal offense

what ought not to be, is ignoring how you twisted what I stated and trying to make it seem I somehow offended you

that type of response is not genuine
 
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PilgrimPassingThru said:
It does show the Jews killed Jesus Christ

Acts 3:14 But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you;

Acts 3:15 And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses.

As Stephen said,

Acts 7:52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers

Then they stones Stephen there in 59

Then Paul said,

1 Thes 2:14 For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews:

1 Thes 2:15 Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men

1 Thes 2:16 Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.

I think one can safely say they did without saying evil since the apostles could say the same without being evil in saying so.

They being Abraham's seed after the flesh

Jesus said to them,

John 8:37 I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.

Agar answers to Jerusalem,

Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

Whereas Paul said,

Gal 4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

In contrast to

Gal 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
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what is your point? Jesus came to His own and His own received Him not

Yet, it was foretold in the OT and nowhere does it state God has disowned them
 
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Blain said:
here is my understanding and what I have learned about the children of promise from my time of seeking God and going into a closed solitude to be with him.
There is a reason that the cross of all the symbols was used for Jesus to die on. Think of the cross in this there are four ends the top end represents heaven or God's kingdom the bottom represents earth the world mankind the right is Jews the left the gentiles
And Jesus pinned and dying on it connected and brought all of it together. Fathers intentions was never for just the Jews to be his children to be the children of promise, regardless of race regardless of bloodline regardless of past sins of weaknesses the children of promise has always been and always will be anyone who accepts his loving embrace anyone who seeks after and hungers and adores his heart anyone whose heart constantly chases after his own anyone who desires and craves a deeper love and stronger bond closer connection with him.

These are the children of promise those who love and adore and treasure him with all their hearts who desire to know him to dive deeper into the realm of his heart with every fiber of their being every cell within their body.
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And that's exactly what the bible teaches. The chosen people have always come from all races.... not just the Jews.
 
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KJV1611 said:
And that's exactly what the bible teaches. The chosen people have always come from all races.... not just the Jews.
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not so...God choose Abraham and said that through him all the nations of the earth would be blessed. There is only one race that is referred to as God's chosen people..ONE physical race...through which ALL the nations of the earth would be blessed

In Genesis 12, God promised Abraham that he would be the father of a great nation (the Jews), the Jews would possess a land, that nation would be blessed above all other nations, and all other nations would be blessed from Israel. So, from the beginning God revealed that Israel would be His chosen people on the earth, but that His blessing would not be limited to them exclusively. Galatians 3:14 identifies the nature of the blessing to come to all the other nations: “That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.” All the nations of the world were blessed by Israel, through whom the Savior of the world came.

The above scripture plainly shows that the blessings we enjoy through our savation, come through Abraham whose faith was accounted to him as righteousness

You know, the entire Bible must be considered when one ventures out to teach what they consider a major doctrine...such as who is and who is not considered a child of God
 
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KJV1611 said:
I'm just one of those people that believes the bible when it says the children of the flesh are not the children of God... I don't understand why you don't believe that. The children of the flesh have never been and never will be God's chosen people.

Yes I understand that salvation is of the Jews.... the question is which Jews? The Jews that killed Christ or the real Jew, the one that's a Jew inwardly?
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Our sin was paid for by Jesus sacrifice. Noone killed Him, He laid down His life willingly for us.
 
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Heres a few showing the division between them a little

Gal 4:21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?

And Paul started here in the law saying,

Gal 4:22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.

And he puts forth the differences between them

Gal 4:23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh ; but he of the freewoman was by promise

Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.

John 8:33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?

Jesus acknowledges them as the seed of Abraham

John 8:37 I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.

Paul also says,

Romans 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.

Then he divides the children of the flesh (who are Abrahams seed, after the flesh) and the children of the promise (who belong to one, to Abrahams seed, which is Christ) children of the promise (Spirit)

Romans 9:8 That is,

They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

The promise (the Spirit)

Luke 24:49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you

Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his (Romans 8:9)

Same picture emmerges as then even so now as Paul said.

Gal 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

Born after the flesh (Abrahams seed) after the flesh, and children of the promise (as belonging to Christ) Abrahams seed (as of one) not many in that way.



 
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following is what scripture actually states regarding God's promises. we are grafted in...we do not stand alone

God’s plan of redemption is built upon the finished work of Jesus Christ, a descendant of David and Abraham. But Christ’s death on the cross is sufficient for the sins of the entire world, not just the Jews! Galatians 3:6-8states, “Consider Abraham: ‘He believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.’ Understand, then, that those who believe are children of Abraham.

The Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: ‘All nations will be blessed through you.’” Finally,Galatians 3:29 says, “If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.” In other words, in Christ, believers are counted righteous by faith in the same way that Abraham was (Galatians 3:6-8).

If we are in Christ, then we are partakers of the blessing of Israel and all nations in the redemptive work of Christ. Believers become the spiritual descendants of Abraham. Believers do not become physical Jews, but they may enjoy the same type of blessings and privileges as the Jews.
 
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PilgrimPassingThru said:
I am posting verses to the topic, if you dont find them helpful thats okay too maybe they arent for you.
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no you aren't

you are posting verses that are CONTRARY to what scripture states

they are cherry picked to SUPPORT the op

the op is not scriptural...it is a very regrettable teaching that is not Scriptural

it seems to me, that the actual problem is that you may find what I am posting not for YOU

please don't assume what I do or do not find helpful...it actually shows you would prefer I stay out of the conversation
 
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no you aren't

you are posting verses that are CONTRARY to what scripture states

they are cherry picked to SUPPORT the op

the op is not scriptural...it is a very regrettable teaching that is not Scriptural

it seems to me, that the actual problem is that you may find what I am posting not for YOU

please don't assume what I do or do not find helpful...it actually shows you would prefer I stay out of the conversation
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I did cherry pick Gods words over the OP's own words in post #3

I prefer the Lords words
 
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No comments?
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Replacement Theology has been done to death here. Its a false teaching. The Catholic church,among others,have repented of teaching it. The church has not replaced Israel. Romans 11 proves this,but of course proponents of this false teaching will twist Scripture every which way possible to be right. They want Israel to have all the curses and the church by way of Christians to have all the blessing. Replacement Theology teaching is old as dirt and as I said,been repented of by many churches years and years ago.Then somebody digs it up again,renames it and dresses it up as a new idea. Its not,its false,end of story.
 
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PilgrimPassingThru said:
I did cherry pick Gods words over the OP's own words in post #3

I prefer the Lords words
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LOL!..uh huh...so whose words do you suppose I am quoting?

please don't try to state you have some kind of superior ability to state what God says better than anyone

that, is just so predictive of someone wanting to express their own belief in their own ability to have the truth better than anyone else

I quoted straight from the BIBLE...IN CONTEXT...and you don't acknowledge it...you just continue with a basket of cherries
 
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KJV1611 said:
And that's exactly what the bible teaches. The chosen people have always come from all races.... not just the Jews.
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The Church is from all people, all nations, comprised of jew and gentile that accept Jesus/Messiah as Savior.

The Jews still remain in prophecy for God is not a liar and will perform His word and keep His promises to Israel

We don't need to define "Jew" I think God knows who He's talking about without our input.
 
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not so...God choose Abraham and said that through him all the nations of the earth would be blessed. There is only one race that is referred to as God's chosen people..ONE physical race...through which ALL the nations of the earth would be blessed

In Genesis 12, God promised Abraham that he would be the father of a great nation (the Jews), the Jews would possess a land, that nation would be blessed above all other nations, and all other nations would be blessed from Israel. So, from the beginning God revealed that Israel would be His chosen people on the earth, but that His blessing would not be limited to them exclusively. Galatians 3:14 identifies the nature of the blessing to come to all the other nations: “That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.” All the nations of the world were blessed by Israel, through whom the Savior of the world came.

The above scripture plainly shows that the blessings we enjoy through our savation, come through Abraham whose faith was accounted to him as righteousness

You know, the entire Bible must be considered when one ventures out to teach what they consider a major doctrine...such as who is and who is not considered a child of God
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I'm sorry but your wrong. When you become so close to father that you begin to understand his way of thinking begin to see as he does begin to even feel what he feels then it doesn't matter what any interpretation or view or belief or doctrine says your heart instinctively knows your heart resonates with his own.

his children his precious ones his children of promise if they were only though a certain blood line then his love is not truly as deep as he claims it is it? Even I have seen the dangers of favoritism especially if a parent does this how much more do you think father knows? when made us forming us in the womb he took such care in making us even from every single hair on our head the warmth and love he had and felt as he made us when he thought of us is something that I have felt many times and yet my heart my soul my body cannot contain even a drop of it.
 
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