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Rom 9:24-26
24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
25 As he saith also in Osee, "I will call them My people, which were not My people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.
26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, 'Ye are not My people'; there shall they be called the children of the living God."
KJV
Try reading Hosea 1 where Paul quoted that from, and tell us to whom that was originally written to. You won't find Hosea 1 pointing to the Gentiles, but to the "house of Israel".
So why... would Paul quote that to Gentile Romans?
Explain that.
24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
25 As he saith also in Osee, "I will call them My people, which were not My people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.
26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, 'Ye are not My people'; there shall they be called the children of the living God."
KJV
Try reading Hosea 1 where Paul quoted that from, and tell us to whom that was originally written to. You won't find Hosea 1 pointing to the Gentiles, but to the "house of Israel".
So why... would Paul quote that to Gentile Romans?
Explain that.
24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
He's talking about both Jews and Gentiles being called. Until you understand that there is no difference between Jews and Gentiles in Christ, you are never going to understand the election. Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were all Christians. Christianity is not new. All of those guys were saved by grace through faith just like we are. The only difference between us and them is that those Christians came out of Israel and we come out of the Gentile nations... we are all Christians and chosen no matter what our fleshly heritage is. Therefor all Israel both Jews and Gentiles will be saved.
He's talking about both Jews and Gentiles being called. Until you understand that there is no difference between Jews and Gentiles in Christ, you are never going to understand the election. Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were all Christians. Christianity is not new. All of those guys were saved by grace through faith just like we are. The only difference between us and them is that those Christians came out of Israel and we come out of the Gentile nations... we are all Christians and chosen no matter what our fleshly heritage is. Therefor all Israel both Jews and Gentiles will be saved.
Yes, I know why Paul spoke that to Gentile Roman believers, it is because God is no respecter of persons as written. But that does NOT remove His Promises to the SEED of Israel, it instead confirms them, because the majority of Israelites were already scattered among the Gentiles in Paul's day, and I don't mean just Jews, for the Jews only represent one third of the total seed of Israel.
In Romans 11:25-29 Paul showed you something about God's election of the seed of Israel which reveals His Promises to them per the OT prophets, and that is why you've been wrongly taught to deny.
All of this below is about the part of Israel which God Himself blinded away from The Gospel during this present time, i.e., mainly the majority of Jews:
Rom 11:25-29
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, "There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is My covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins."
28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
KJV
That is NOT... about the believing remnant of Israel according to the election of grace that Paul spoke of in the Rom.11:1-5 verses. That is about the unbelieving seed of Israel still today.
What you're not understanding is how God did the electing, even by that Rom.11:1-5 example of those of Israel that Paul said He preserved as the remnant according to the election of GRACE. That means God influenced their choice in The Gospel directly.
And these of Rom.11:25-29, He will also do that for when the time comes, when the fullness of the Gentiles comes in, by then removing... that "blindness" He placed upon these. I have no doubt why Paul said they also shall be saved, because I have no doubt God is able to influence their choice to believe just like He did with that remnant Paul mentioned at the start of the Romans 11 Chapter. When God removes their "blindness" He put on this latter group, if one of them still refuses our Lord Jesus then, that will be the exception, and not the rule.
In Romans 11:25-29 Paul showed you something about God's election of the seed of Israel which reveals His Promises to them per the OT prophets, and that is why you've been wrongly taught to deny.
All of this below is about the part of Israel which God Himself blinded away from The Gospel during this present time, i.e., mainly the majority of Jews:
Rom 11:25-29
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, "There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is My covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins."
28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
KJV
That is NOT... about the believing remnant of Israel according to the election of grace that Paul spoke of in the Rom.11:1-5 verses. That is about the unbelieving seed of Israel still today.
What you're not understanding is how God did the electing, even by that Rom.11:1-5 example of those of Israel that Paul said He preserved as the remnant according to the election of GRACE. That means God influenced their choice in The Gospel directly.
And these of Rom.11:25-29, He will also do that for when the time comes, when the fullness of the Gentiles comes in, by then removing... that "blindness" He placed upon these. I have no doubt why Paul said they also shall be saved, because I have no doubt God is able to influence their choice to believe just like He did with that remnant Paul mentioned at the start of the Romans 11 Chapter. When God removes their "blindness" He put on this latter group, if one of them still refuses our Lord Jesus then, that will be the exception, and not the rule.
Since you failed to go to the Book of Hosea where Paul quoted that from, I guess I'll have to:
Hos 1:4-9
4 And the LORD said unto him, Call his name Jezreel; for yet a little while, and I will avenge the blood of Jezreel upon the house of Jehu, and will cause to cease the kingdom of the house of Israel.
5 And it shall come to pass at that day, that I will break the bow of Israel in the valley of Jezreel.
6 And she conceived again, and bare a daughter. And God said unto him, Call her name Lo-ruhamah: for I will no more have mercy upon the house of Israel; but I will utterly take them away.
7 But I will have mercy upon the house of Judah, and will save them by the LORD their God, and will not save them by bow, nor by sword, nor by battle, by horses, nor by horsemen.
8 Now when she had weaned Lo-ruhamah, she conceived, and bare a son.
9 Then said God, Call his name Lo-ammi: for ye are not My people, and I will not be your God.
KJV
God spoke that about the "house of Israel" ten-tribed "kingdom of israel". That was after He had already split old Israel into two separate kingdoms each with their own king, one for Judah at Jerusalem, and another for the ten tribes at Samaria. The ten-tribed northern kingdom of Israel rebelled against Him first (see 1 Kings 11 thru 2 Kings 17).
So God told His prophet Hosea to take a wife of whoredoms to symbolize how the ten-tribed kingdom of Israel had rebelled against Him. Each child born to Hosea was to be called by a name that also signified their rebellion against Him.
Then God said the house of Israel (ten-tribed northern kingdom) would no more be His people because of their rebellion. He then scattered those ten tribes among the Gentiles as He has warned through Moses in Deut.4 and Deut.28.
He spoke NONE of this about Gentiles.
But in final, God then said this about them when He will cast away their sins and gather them back to Himself:
Hos 1:10-11
10 Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, "Ye are not My people", there it shall be said unto them, "Ye are the sons of the living God."
11 Then shall the children of Judah and the children of Israel be gathered together, and appoint themselves one head, and they shall come up out of the land: for great shall be the day of Jezreel.
KJV
When all is done for this present world, then God promised He will gather both the children of Judah (three tribes) and the children of Israel (ten tribes) together, with one Head over them (represents Christ Jesus), and they shall come up out of the lands they were scattered back to the lands He promised their fathers (which is written elsewhere, but what He is pointing to here). And that day will be great, the day of Jezreel which is means 'God will sow' and is in regard to the SEED of Israel.
Hos 1:4-9
4 And the LORD said unto him, Call his name Jezreel; for yet a little while, and I will avenge the blood of Jezreel upon the house of Jehu, and will cause to cease the kingdom of the house of Israel.
5 And it shall come to pass at that day, that I will break the bow of Israel in the valley of Jezreel.
6 And she conceived again, and bare a daughter. And God said unto him, Call her name Lo-ruhamah: for I will no more have mercy upon the house of Israel; but I will utterly take them away.
7 But I will have mercy upon the house of Judah, and will save them by the LORD their God, and will not save them by bow, nor by sword, nor by battle, by horses, nor by horsemen.
8 Now when she had weaned Lo-ruhamah, she conceived, and bare a son.
9 Then said God, Call his name Lo-ammi: for ye are not My people, and I will not be your God.
KJV
God spoke that about the "house of Israel" ten-tribed "kingdom of israel". That was after He had already split old Israel into two separate kingdoms each with their own king, one for Judah at Jerusalem, and another for the ten tribes at Samaria. The ten-tribed northern kingdom of Israel rebelled against Him first (see 1 Kings 11 thru 2 Kings 17).
So God told His prophet Hosea to take a wife of whoredoms to symbolize how the ten-tribed kingdom of Israel had rebelled against Him. Each child born to Hosea was to be called by a name that also signified their rebellion against Him.
Then God said the house of Israel (ten-tribed northern kingdom) would no more be His people because of their rebellion. He then scattered those ten tribes among the Gentiles as He has warned through Moses in Deut.4 and Deut.28.
He spoke NONE of this about Gentiles.
But in final, God then said this about them when He will cast away their sins and gather them back to Himself:
Hos 1:10-11
10 Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, "Ye are not My people", there it shall be said unto them, "Ye are the sons of the living God."
11 Then shall the children of Judah and the children of Israel be gathered together, and appoint themselves one head, and they shall come up out of the land: for great shall be the day of Jezreel.
KJV
When all is done for this present world, then God promised He will gather both the children of Judah (three tribes) and the children of Israel (ten tribes) together, with one Head over them (represents Christ Jesus), and they shall come up out of the lands they were scattered back to the lands He promised their fathers (which is written elsewhere, but what He is pointing to here). And that day will be great, the day of Jezreel which is means 'God will sow' and is in regard to the SEED of Israel.
There is no promise to the seed of Israel. The promise was to Abraham and his seed Christ. The promises were made to Christ, Abraham was entitled to the promise because he believed God and it was counted to him for righteousness... Abraham was a Christian. He got the promise because he was in Christ. These promises were only made to Abraham and his seed Christ, not to national Israel.
Galatians 3:16 KJV
Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Galatians 3:16 KJV
Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
K
No matter what truth you show KJV1611 he will not believe it. He has been indoctrinated by the false and anti-semitic Replacement Theology. Its a pity but you wont change his mind. As I said,old theology dressed up as something new and flashy. Its already been denounced by most of the major churches. Of course there's always a few that hold on no matter what the truth is. You're wasting your breath.
K
No,you believe one verse in the Bible and make a doctrine out of it. When you take others verses together with it and shown what you are believing is false doctrine you refuse to even consider you may be wrong. You cling to one verse that backs your false doctrine. Believe however you wish,it doesn't change the fact that Replacement Theology is anti-semitic and a false doctrine.
Kaylagrl the bible doesn't contradict itself. It's not going to say the children of the flesh are not the children of God in one place and then turn around and say that they are in another place.
And stop calling it replacement theology, the children of the flesh NEVER WERE the children of God. It is the Zionist that believe in replacement theology, you guys take the promises to Christ and those in Christ and give them to the antichrist Jews that had Christ killed. You have this upside down.
And stop calling it replacement theology, the children of the flesh NEVER WERE the children of God. It is the Zionist that believe in replacement theology, you guys take the promises to Christ and those in Christ and give them to the antichrist Jews that had Christ killed. You have this upside down.
kaylagirl is anti-arab, anti-gentile, and anti everone except her favourite semites.
she hasn''t even read this
Rom 4:13
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Rom 4:15
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Rom 4:16
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Rom 4:17
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Rom 4:18
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she hasn''t even read this
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[SUP] Rom 4:14
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Rom 4:15
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Rom 4:16
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Rom 4:18
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Rom 4:10
How then was it reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision:
Rom 4:11
and he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while he was in uncircumcision: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be in uncircumcision, that righteousness might be reckoned unto them;
Rom 4:12
and the father of circumcision to them who not only are of the circumcision, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham which he had in uncircumcision.
Rom 4:13
For not through the law was the promise to Abraham or to his seed, that he should be heir of the world, but through the righteousness of faith.
Rom 4:14
For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise is made of none effect:
Rom 4:15
for the law worketh wrath; but where there is no law, neither is there transgression.
Rom 4:16
For this cause it is of faith, that it may be according to grace; to the end that the promise may be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all
Rom 4:17
(as it is written, A father of many nations have I made thee) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth the things that are not, as though they were.
Rom 4:18
Who in hope believed against hope, to the end that he might become a father of many nations, according to that which had been spoken, So shall thy seed be.
How then was it reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision:
Rom 4:11
and he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while he was in uncircumcision: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be in uncircumcision, that righteousness might be reckoned unto them;
Rom 4:12
and the father of circumcision to them who not only are of the circumcision, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham which he had in uncircumcision.
Rom 4:13
For not through the law was the promise to Abraham or to his seed, that he should be heir of the world, but through the righteousness of faith.
Rom 4:14
For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise is made of none effect:
Rom 4:15
for the law worketh wrath; but where there is no law, neither is there transgression.
Rom 4:16
For this cause it is of faith, that it may be according to grace; to the end that the promise may be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all
Rom 4:17
(as it is written, A father of many nations have I made thee) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth the things that are not, as though they were.
Rom 4:18
Who in hope believed against hope, to the end that he might become a father of many nations, according to that which had been spoken, So shall thy seed be.