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Sorry for the late reply to this. Work is picking up and I can't hop on CC as I used to.



The law is not and has never been the issue. This is literally the notion I'm arguing against. It may seem like a small thing but it isn't. If we read Paul's letters this way it pits the law against grace, which doesn't work on any level. And then we need to work backward (logically) to try to extrapolate the Father's reason for giving it as "well He gave the law to us to show we could never obey it."

But such a notion is literally NOWHERE in scripture. Nowhere.

The law doesn't need to be dealt with. We need to be dealt with. The blood was shed to change US from the inside-out.

Why?

Because the law remains and demands either our death or our compliance.

His blood cleans "the inside of the cup". Matthew 23:26



Justified means "to be made clean" or "right".

Did you know that no law ANYWHERE...from ANY government or society...has the power to make you or me "right" in the eyes of the law once we have broken it? It isn't something unique to the kingdom of Heaven. Paul didn't state a fact unique to God's law. He was introducing an immutable fact about "law" and properly applying that fact to God's law. No law can make you "right" in the eyes of the law once broken because a law is created to show us what a crime is. Its created purpose - in any government - is to show us the boundary we're not to cross. Thus the mere existence of a law (any law) doesn't (ergo) make the citizens "right"; it does nothing to affect the internal qualities and character of a person.

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^ This is what Paul was saying. He wasn't making an argument against the law but was clarifying its true scope and purpose. So we must stop reading Paul's words as if he is. When we are found guilty of breaking a law we need to go to the judge either to pay or to be forgiven of the crime. We can't immediately start obeying the law we broke to somehow make us "right" retroactively when we're already found guilty. No law works that way. So likewise with God's law. We must get forgiveness by going to the Heavenly Judge to be made "right" once again.

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With this said, there is another issue that arises that Paul addresses when considering God's law in particular - The corrupt/evil flesh of man.

When GOD'S LAW is necessarily introduced (i.e. necessary because every kingdom or government has a law its citizens must abide by), we IMMEDIATELY want to disobey it. Why? Because God is good and we are not (our flesh). He tells us "do not" and immediately our flesh says "then I want to more".

Thus, something ELSE was needed...apart from the NECESSARY LAW (i.e. "apart from" simply means "outside of" and does NOT mean "in replacement of")...to affect this change of internal qualities and character, otherwise people would continue to break God's law, deserve to die, break His law, deserve to die, break the law, die, sin, die, sin, die...and on and on.

And that "something else" is the glorified Spirit (Holy Spirit) and personal strength of the Son to be obedient (Grace), which we must tap into and "listen to" in order to fulfill/satisfy the immutable, necessary law of God. And when we do, we will have the power to uphold the law as righteous citizens of heaven.

God forgives us of our sins (making us "right") and then gives us the tools and strength to obey (fulfilling the law).


^The New Covenant. The Gospel.
Sorry for the late reply to this. Work is picking up and I can't hop on CC as I used to.



The law is not and has never been the issue. This is literally the notion I'm arguing against. It may seem like a small thing but it isn't. If we read Paul's letters this way it pits the law against grace, which doesn't work on any level. And then we need to work backward (logically) to try to extrapolate the Father's reason for giving it as "well He gave the law to us to show we could never obey it."

But such a notion is literally NOWHERE in scripture. Nowhere.

The law doesn't need to be dealt with. We need to be dealt with. The blood was shed to change US from the inside-out.

Why?

Because the law remains and demands either our death or our compliance.

His blood cleans "the inside of the cup". Matthew 23:26



Justified means "to be made clean" or "right".

Did you know that no law ANYWHERE...from ANY government or society...has the power to make you or me "right" in the eyes of the law once we have broken it? It isn't something unique to the kingdom of Heaven. Paul didn't state a fact unique to God's law. He was introducing an immutable fact about "law" and properly applying that fact to God's law. No law can make you "right" in the eyes of the law once broken because a law is created to show us what a crime is. Its created purpose - in any government - is to show us the boundary we're not to cross. Thus the mere existence of a law (any law) doesn't (ergo) make the citizens "right"; it does nothing to affect the internal qualities and character of a person.

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^ This is what Paul was saying. He wasn't making an argument against the law but was clarifying its true scope and purpose. So we must stop reading Paul's words as if he is. When we are found guilty of breaking a law we need to go to the judge either to pay or to be forgiven of the crime. We can't immediately start obeying the law we broke to somehow make us "right" retroactively when we're already found guilty. No law works that way. So likewise with God's law. We must get forgiveness by going to the Heavenly Judge to be made "right" once again.

----

With this said, there is another issue that arises that Paul addresses when considering God's law in particular - The corrupt/evil flesh of man.

When GOD'S LAW is necessarily introduced (i.e. necessary because every kingdom or government has a law its citizens must abide by), we IMMEDIATELY want to disobey it. Why? Because God is good and we are not (our flesh). He tells us "do not" and immediately our flesh says "then I want to more".

Thus, something ELSE was needed...apart from the NECESSARY LAW (i.e. "apart from" simply means "outside of" and does NOT mean "in replacement of")...to affect this change of internal qualities and character, otherwise people would continue to break God's law, deserve to die, break His law, deserve to die, break the law, die, sin, die, sin, die...and on and on.

And that "something else" is the glorified Spirit (Holy Spirit) and personal strength of the Son to be obedient (Grace), which we must tap into and "listen to" in order to fulfill/satisfy the immutable, necessary law of God. And when we do, we will have the power to uphold the law as righteous citizens of heaven.

God forgives us of our sins (making us "right") and then gives us the tools and strength to obey (fulfilling the law).


^The New Covenant. The Gospel.
 
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Acts 28:23 And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening. You do know that the Gospel didn’t exist when they were teaching. Christ and all the Prophets taught out the law of Moses there was no New Testament!

There are five categories of the law Christ only fulfilled the of Sacrifice:
Hebrews 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
(“it could not make the comer perfect because they would sin willfully and had an animAl ready to sacrifice)
Hebrews 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. ( obedience is better than sacrifice)
Hebrews 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
Hebrews 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
Hebrews 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me: (When Christ came into the world he said he had no more animal sacrifice that’s what he fulfilled)
Hebrews 10:6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
Hebrews 10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
Hebrews 10:8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
Hebrews 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
Hebrews 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. (Christ was the perfect sacrifice)
This letting you know animal sacrifice would end: Isaiah 1:11 To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.
 

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Matthew 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: Matthew 10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
This is what was said to the disciples. But as for Christ "HE MUST NEEDS GO THROUGH SAMARIA". So "Knowledged" should have been aware of this before posting and trying to deny that the first converts of Christ were the despised Samaritans. Who were the first worshippers of Christ the King of the Jews? Gentiles! And who was the first man at whose faith Christ marveled? A Gentile! Christ was A LIGHT TO LIGHTEN THE GENTILES, and the glory of His people Israel.

And your quotation from Matthew 11:11 is totally out of context! A person who calls himself "Knowledged" should know better.
 

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It funny how people say things with no scripture to back it up
He likes to make a lot of noise but as you can see, you are right, and he has provided
no Scripture, though he asks that of others even when they have made no claim.


It's called having a double standard.
 

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There are seeming contradictions all through scripture.

However, I think it helpful to remember scribes were not in Jesus' company as he walked in ancient Palestine.

The New Testament books were written many decades after Jesus. His ministry spread by word of mouth after he departed this world.
Here you go Folks -----what is posted here is not from God ------it goes against what the scripture says ----So you know that this says that this person is not a true Christian ------The Holy Spirit would never contradict Scripture -----

This is what the scripture says -----if the word is truth --there can be no contradictions -----Jesus is the Word so your saying that Jesus contradicts Himself ----that makes no sense -----


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Papermonkey says
However, I think it helpful to remember scribes were not in Jesus' company as he walked in ancient Palestine.

The New Testament books were written many decades after Jesus. His ministry spread by word of mouth after he departed this world.[/QUOTE]


I say ---the Bible makes it very clear that ALL SCRIPTURE is God Breathed -----what does that mean ----

Greek word for God's breathed

Strong's Concordance
theopneustos: God-breathed, i.e. inspired by God
Usage: God-breathed, inspired by God, due to the inspiration of God.

properly, God-breathed, referring to the divine inspiration (inbreathing) of Scripture (used only in 2 Tim 3:16).
Inbreathing (2315 /theópneustos) relates directly to God's Spirit (Gk pneuma) which can also be translated "breath."]

2 Tim 3:16: "Each-and-every (3956 /pás, singular) Scripture (Gk, singular) is God-breathed




Your saying that the scripture was passed on by Mouth by human beings ?????

Well again this goes against what the Scripture really says and so what your saying is NOT FROM GOD ---

so I say to the folks here ---run ------as deception is in the house ---with his statements here -----he is saying that Jesus who is God and who is the WORD contradicts Himself in what HE says in His own Book -----

Is this a Wolf among the Sheep ?????????

 
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Acts 28:23 And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening. You do know that the Gospel didn’t exist when they were teaching. Christ and all the Prophets taught out the law of Moses there was no New Testament!

There are five categories of the law Christ only fulfilled the of Sacrifice:
Hebrews 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
(“it could not make the comer perfect because they would sin willfully and had an animAl ready to sacrifice)
Hebrews 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. ( obedience is better than sacrifice)
Hebrews 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
Hebrews 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
Hebrews 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me: (When Christ came into the world he said he had no more animal sacrifice that’s what he fulfilled)
Hebrews 10:6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
Hebrews 10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
Hebrews 10:8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
Hebrews 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
Hebrews 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. (Christ was the perfect sacrifice)
This letting you know animal sacrifice would end:


Why don't you show us where it says the Samaritans were converted before anybody else, since that is your claim.

In fact the disciples are said to believe in Jesus right away, and that preceded the Samaritans doing so. Compare to:

14 When the apostles in Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent Peter and
John to them. 15 On their arrival, they prayed for them to receive the Holy Spirit. 16 For the Holy Spirit had
not yet fallen upon any of them; they had simply been baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus.
From Acts 8.

Still waiting...
the question is who are the Samaritans? This Scripture might help you:
Matthew 4:15 The land of Zabulon, and the land of Nephthalim, by the way of the sea, beyond Jordan, Galilee of the Gentiles;
The were sent to Samaria because some of the 12 tribes were there.
 
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Here you go Folks -----what is posted here is not from God ------it goes against what the scripture says ----So you know that this says that this person is not a true Christian ------The Holy Spirit would never contradict Scripture -----

This is what the scripture says -----if the word is truth --there can be no contradictions -----Jesus is the Word so your saying that Jesus contradicts Himself ----that makes no sense -----


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Papermonkey says
However, I think it helpful to remember scribes were not in Jesus' company as he walked in ancient Palestine.

The New Testament books were written many decades after Jesus. His ministry spread by word of mouth after he departed this world.

I say ---the Bible makes it very clear that ALL SCRIPTURE is God Breathed -----what does that mean ----

Greek word for God's breathed

Strong's Concordance
theopneustos: God-breathed, i.e. inspired by God
Usage: God-breathed, inspired by God, due to the inspiration of God.

properly, God-breathed, referring to the divine inspiration (inbreathing) of Scripture (used only in 2 Tim 3:16).
Inbreathing (2315 /theópneustos) relates directly to God's Spirit (Gk pneuma) which can also be translated "breath."]

2 Tim 3:16: "Each-and-every (3956 /pás, singular) Scripture (Gk, singular) is God-breathed




Your saying that the scripture was passed on by Mouth by human beings ?????

Well again this goes against what the Scripture really says and so what your saying is NOT FROM GOD ---

so I say to the folks here ---run ------as deception is in the house ---with his statements here -----he is saying that Jesus who is God and who is the WORD contradicts Himself in what HE says in His own Book -----

Is this a Wolf among the Sheep ?????????

[/QUOTE]
 
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Christianity did not yet exist.

And I am still waiting for @Nehemiah6 to provide the verse that says Samaritans were the
first converts, as that was his claim, and he wants us to believe it is so based on Scripture.


Or to admit that such a verse does not exist.
Matthew 4:15 The land of Zabulon, and the land of Nephthalim, by the way of the sea, beyond Jordan, Galilee of the Gentiles; The reason they went to Samaria because some of the Tribes were ther.
 
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I say ---the Bible makes it very clear that ALL SCRIPTURE is God Breathed -----what does that mean ----

Greek word for God's breathed

Strong's Concordance
theopneustos: God-breathed, i.e. inspired by God
Usage: God-breathed, inspired by God, due to the inspiration of God.

properly, God-breathed, referring to the divine inspiration (inbreathing) of Scripture (used only in 2 Tim 3:16).
Inbreathing (2315 /theópneustos) relates directly to God's Spirit (Gk pneuma) which can also be translated "breath."]

2 Tim 3:16: "Each-and-every (3956 /pás, singular) Scripture (Gk, singular) is God-breathed




Your saying that the scripture was passed on by Mouth by human beings ?????

Well again this goes against what the Scripture really says and so what your saying is NOT FROM GOD ---

so I say to the folks here ---run ------as deception is in the house ---with his statements here -----he is saying that Jesus who is God and who is the WORD contradicts Himself in what HE says in His own Book -----

Is this a Wolf among the Sheep ?????????

[/QUOTE]
 
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[/QUOTE]
2 Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
2 Peter 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
 

Magenta

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This is what was said to the disciples. But as for Christ "HE MUST NEEDS GO THROUGH SAMARIA".
Not in any way whatsoever does that verse prove the Samaritans were Jesus' first converts.

If by convert you mean believer, then the disciples were Jesus' first converts.

If by convert you mean having received the Holy Spirit, then the disciples were Jesus' first converts.

They received the Holy Spirit following Jesus' resurrection, which preceded the Samaritans receiving of the same in Acts.

John 20:18 Mary Magdalene went and announced to the disciples,
“I have seen the Lord!” And she told them what He had said to her.


19 It was the first day of the week, and that very evening, while the disciples were together
with the doors locked for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them.
“Peace be with
you!”
He said to them. 20 After He had said this, He showed them His hands and His side.

The disciples rejoiced when they saw the Lord.

21 Again Jesus said to them, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent Me, so also I am sending
you.”
22 When He had said this, He breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit."
 

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I've heard other sincere believers say that since Jesus kept the Laws of Moses
Just do this.

Jesus said....>"you must be born again".


Just do that, and in the end, all is well for you.
Dont do that, and you end up here.

John 3:36
 

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It is clear if you let the bible explain itself.

The first thing people need to understand is that God does not change. Dispensationalism is an evil doctrine that changes Gods character over time.

As a God with unchanging standards and unchanging principles people need to understand the types of laws that GOD gave and why.

ALL Gods laws are perfect and all are based on love, mercy and justice.

Which laws were taken away? Which laws were removed?

Keeping any law is not going to save us because one sin = death and all have sinned so salvation is by faith in the saviour Jesus.

Notice that these laws were in a book and added 430 year after the covenant with Abraham.
Gal 3:10 ....Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. 11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
Gal 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. 20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one. 21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law. 22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. 23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

Christ came and has revealed to us the Character of God. The school master was only there until Christ.

Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

So which laws are nailed to the cross and no long need to be kept?

Hebrews explains this well.

Heb 9:8 The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: 9 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; 10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.

These laws and services were all figures, a school master pointing to Christ.
They were carnal ordinance that were to be kept until the time of reformation-(straightening out, restore what was broken). When the plan of salvation was put in place these ordinances were no longer needed.

Knowing that salvation is by faith in Christ is key, but this does not mean all laws are made void.
Some things don't change.

The principal of love has not changed and the holy standards of God have not changed. It was wrong to lie before the world was created and it is wrong to lie today.
Keeping the law is what we do because we love Jesus.
 

Dino246

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It is clear if you let the bible explain itself.

The first thing people need to understand is that God does not change. Dispensationalism is an evil doctrine that changes Gods character over time.

As a God with unchanging standards and unchanging principles people need to understand the types of laws that GOD gave and why.

ALL Gods laws are perfect and all are based on love, mercy and justice.

Which laws were taken away? Which laws were removed?

Keeping any law is not going to save us because one sin = death and all have sinned so salvation is by faith in the saviour Jesus.

Notice that these laws were in a book and added 430 year after the covenant with Abraham.
Gal 3:10 ....Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. 11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
Gal 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. 20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one. 21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law. 22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. 23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

Christ came and has revealed to us the Character of God. The school master was only there until Christ.

Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

So which laws are nailed to the cross and no long need to be kept?

Hebrews explains this well.

Heb 9:8 The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: 9 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; 10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.

These laws and services were all figures, a school master pointing to Christ.
They were carnal ordinance that were to be kept until the time of reformation-(straightening out, restore what was broken). When the plan of salvation was put in place these ordinances were no longer needed.

Knowing that salvation is by faith in Christ is key, but this does not mean all laws are made void.
Some things don't change.

The principal of love has not changed and the holy standards of God have not changed. It was wrong to lie before the world was created and it is wrong to lie today.
Keeping the law is what we do because we love Jesus.
Your closing sentence belies everything you wrote before.
 

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Dispensationalism is an evil doctrine that changes Gods character over time.
This statement shows that you do not understand Dispensationalism. While God's character never changes, His dealings with mankind change from time to time. The very fact that there is the Law of Moses on one side, and the Law of Christ on the other side PROVES that there are at least two dispensations. In fact, there are at least seven dispensations (or "economies" or "administrations"). And eventually there will be a "dispensation of the fulness of times". So do not scoff at Dispensationalism but try and learn what it teaches.
 

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This is very confusing - In Matt. 5:17-18 Jesus appears to be clear - 17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

James 2:20 - 20 You foolish person, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless?
 

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This is very confusing - In Matt. 5:17-18 Jesus appears to be clear - 17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

James 2:20 - 20 You foolish person, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless?
Read Galatians, Acts 15, Romans, and Hebrews. Bear in mind Psalm 119:160 "The sum of thy word is truth."
 

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This statement shows that you do not understand Dispensationalism. While God's character never changes, His dealings with mankind change from time to time. The very fact that there is the Law of Moses on one side, and the Law of Christ on the other side PROVES that there are at least two dispensations
How do His dealings change?

He is a God of Love.
God is Love.
Love isn't partial.

Abraham was saved by faith
Adam was saved by faith
Noah was saved by faith
Hebrews tells us that we are all saved by faith.
The laws that were taken away on earth have not changed. Thay are now fulfilled by Christ in Heaven for us. The blood of the lamb did nothing to save. It is Christs blood that saves everyone.
Civilizations changed, technology changed, culture changed but God does not change. And salvation is achieved in the same way for sinners.

Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
 

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How do His dealings change?
Is it not obvious? "For the Law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came but Jesus Christ" (John 1:17). Can you comprehend the difference?