Christ was tempted LIKE as we are, but He never desired or was tempted to do evil.

[Jason0047]

You are not a police officer!!! Etc etc etc. You are Jason on a forum. People don't know you. Have a little bit of mercy towards others and stop judging people. This hypocritical nature you have is becoming tiresome.
You never agree with anyone only disagree and become paranoid.

I am sorry to inform you, but your world view is not the center of the universe. Other people besides myself find the word "dude" offensive. Like I said, police would find it offensive and many other people find it offensive (besides just me). That is why I provided a link to an article of someone (Who is a non believer) who also finds that word offensive. Also, you said I am not a police officer. So does that mean you give respect to the police officer so as not to get him more ticked off (for him to give you a ticket), and yet you do not care in showing me respect because I am unable to give you a ticket? Do you just do things so as to protect yourself? Or do you think maybe being a Christian is more than that? Do you think maybe a Christian does things so as not to offend others (Even when they do not understand)?

In other words, let's say you found the reference to women as "chicks" as being really offensive. Let's say hypothetically Carl does not think the word "chicks" is not offensive at all because of the people he grew up with and the type of culture he was exposed to. Should Carl respect your wishes? Or should Carl say that it is all you, etc.?

 

[Jason0047]

Do you even read what you write.....can be tempted...no interest in the temptation CONTRADICTS itself!

I already explained it several times. If you are not getting it, talk to an English teacher. Perhaps they can explain it to you. In other words, if it was just all "me", then English teachers would have no idea of what I was talking about. But if they did know what I was talking about (And they should know because you can see these examples in written novels, movies, the news, etc) then you are just going to have to face the facts of that truth. In other words, please do not take my word for it, but do your own homework or investigation on this point and then report back.

 

[dcontroversal]

I am sorry to inform you, but your world view is not the center of the universe. Other people besides myself find the word "dude" offensive. Like I said, police would find it offensive and many other people find it offensive (besides just me). That is why I provided a link to an article of someone (Who is a non believer) who also finds that word offensive. Also, you said I am not a police officer. So does that mean you give respect to the police officer so as not to get him more ticked off (for him to give you a ticket), and yet you do not care in showing me respect because I am unable to give you a ticket? Do you just do things so as to protect yourself? Or do you think maybe being a Christian is more than that? Do you think maybe a Christian does things so as not to offend others (Even when they do not understand)?

In other words, let's say you found the reference to women as "chicks" as being really offensive. Let's say hypothetically Carl does not think the word "chicks" is not offensive at all because of the people he grew up with and the type of culture he was exposed to. Should Carl respect your wishes? Or should Carl say that it is all you, etc.?

I call everyone dude and have never had anyone be offended by it as that is the generation I grew up with...as far as Ella goes...I know her personally and Chic or Chick would not offend her as she is not easily offended......serious....are that easily offended that the word DUDE would offend you? I mean (hypothetically) do you wear your emotions on your sleeve? I wonder if you also get offended if someone calls you man...Like hey man! or Hey Dude what's up? Really? Seriously?

 

[dcontroversal]

I already explained it several times. If you are not getting it, talk to an English teacher. Perhaps they can explain it to you. In other words, if it was just all "me", then English teachers would have no idea of what I was talking about. But if they did know what I was talking about (And they should know because you can see these examples in written novels, movies, the news, etc) then you are just going to have to face the facts of that truth. In other words, please do not take my word for it, but do your own homework or investigation on this point and then report back.

Definitely Novels, Movies and News set the standard for the topic at hand.....What world do you live in? Dream world?

 

[Jason0047]

Jesus may not have sinned, but reality is that he could have. But it all comes back to faith and obedience Jason. Christ is above all, stronger than you and I which makes him king. He is superior.

Verses please.

He would never sin.

This is a contradictory statement of what you said above. You can't say, "He would never sin" and then also say that He could have sinned. That does not compute. Again, I asked before: How can Jesus be holy, separate from sinners, and undefiled if He had the capacity to sin? Is not someone who is Holy and undefiled and separate from sinners not potentially sinful? When was anything Holy in the Bible every potentially considered sinful?

Technically he won't, but being a man he could have been tempted. Not saying he ever would have because He is Jesus. Jesus would not sin.

Again, this is contradictory to what you said above. Please provide verses.

 

[Brainfreeze]

Do you even read what you write.....can be tempted...no interest in the temptation CONTRADICTS itself!

Not exactly Dc ... Even though one wouldn't WANT " temptation " what is offered, the question " tempt "was still asked. We are talking about God here, He can make the blind see, tell me what you can offer a guy/God that can do this...


…26When Peter said, "From strangers," Jesus said to him, "Then the sons are exempt. 27"However, so that we do not offend them, go to the sea and throw in a hook, and take the first fish that comes up; and when you open its mouth, you will find a shekel. Take that and give it to them for you and Me."



Gold out of a fishes mouth... Jesus had a different perception of the world from the start, I agree with Jason that He couldn't fail. The problem is Jason is saying He wasn't tested " in the flesh " to think if He could fail. There's no external, internal talk in the Bible, and his excuse is " God didn't tell us about gravity but it's there ". Gravity can't damn you, temptation can. If you want something or not, if the questions are asked to sin, the tempter did the job.

 

[Jason0047]

I call everyone dude and have never had anyone be offended by it as that is the generation I grew up with...as far as Ella goes...I know her personally and Chic or Chick would not offend her as she is not easily offended......serious....are that easily offended that the word DUDE would offend you? I mean (hypothetically) do you wear your emotions on your sleeve? I wonder if you also get offended if someone calls you man...Like hey man! or Hey Dude what's up? Really? Seriously?

Yes. You need to meet more people. For there are people in existence that do find "dude" offensive. Also, in your world view or experience, you believe people around you were not offended when you called them "dude" without knowing them. Not everyone will admitt openly in how they feel; Especially if they know you will not be receptive to such a thing.

Besides, what if somebody said something offensive to you and they insisted it was not offensive to them. Would you like it if they still spoke that way around you just because in their worldview or experience is different than yours?

 

[Brainfreeze]

And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am.

Do you think Abraham wanted to sacrifice his son... I don't think so, but was in complete obedience to God, he went fourth. He passed the TEST, and God provided Himself a sacrifice.


Our will and Gods will lines up, once being transformed by the renewing of the mind, Jesus had the soul of God but the flesh of Mary, Spirit was purely Gods.



Romans 12:2 - And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.


HE WAS STILL TESTED AS ABRAHAM HERE.... TEST, ARENT ALWAYS SOMETHING WE DESIRE OR WANT.

 

[dcontroversal]

Yes. You need to meet more people. For there are people in existence that do find "dude" offensive. Also, in your world view or experience, you believe people around you were not offended when you called them "dude" without knowing them. Not everyone will admitt openly in how they feel; Especially if they know you will not be receptive to such a thing.

Besides, what if somebody said something offensive to you and they insisted it was not offensive to them. Would you like it if still spoke that way around you just because in the worldview or experience is different than yours?

First of all...I really don't care what people call me and or say about me....as there is only one I need to please at the end of the day....second...You assume that the people around me would not openly admit that I offended them and your assumption about how may people that I need to meet is based upon ignorance of how many people I have met and deal with on a daily basis and or over my lifetime.

Dude is not an offensive word and I have on occasion even used it when talking to women and have caught myself, apologized and they said NO worries or no biggie as you didn't offend me...so...just like the use of man is universal....dude is used in the same manner by myself and by quite a few people that I know......!

 

[dcontroversal]

Not exactly Dc ... Even though one wouldn't WANT " temptation " what is offered, the question " tempt "was still asked. We are talking about God here, He can make the blind see, tell me what you can offer a guy/God that can do this...


…26When Peter said, "From strangers," Jesus said to him, "Then the sons are exempt. 27"However, so that we do not offend them, go to the sea and throw in a hook, and take the first fish that comes up; and when you open its mouth, you will find a shekel. Take that and give it to them for you and Me."



Gold out of a fishes mouth... Jesus had a different perception of the world from the start, I agree with Jason that He couldn't fail. The problem is Jason is saying He wasn't tested " in the flesh " to think if He could fail. There's no external, internal talk in the Bible, and his excuse is " God didn't tell us about gravity but it's there ". Gravity can't damn you, temptation can. If you want something or not, if the questions are asked to sin, the tempter did the job.

If you have no interest in the temptation then in all actuality it would not be a temptation.....!

 

[Jason0047]

Definitely Novels, Movies and News set the standard for the topic at hand.....What world do you live in? Dream world?

No, it's about a standard of accepted communication of the English language. If there was no agreed upon form of spelling and grammar, etc. then confusion would set in how this country operates smoothly in the relaying of information.

 

[Brainfreeze]

If you have no interest in the temptation then in all actuality it would not be a temptation.....!

If your a rock and fire has no effect on you... If God puts you through the fire, to make you believe you won't shatter to crumbles, you were still put through the fire. He knows you won't shatter, He does it that we know we won't.

 

[Jason0047]

First of all...I really don't care what people call me and or say about me....as there is only one I need to please at the end of the day....second...You assume that the people around me would not openly admit that I offended them and your assumption about how may people that I need to meet is based upon ignorance of how many people I have met and deal with on a daily basis and or over my lifetime.

Dude is not an offensive word and I have on occasion even used it when talking to women and have caught myself, apologized and they said NO worries or no biggie as you didn't offend me...so...just like the use of man is universal....dude is used in the same manner by myself and by quite a few people that I know......!

Sorry, to inform you, my friend. But your worldview and how you speak is not the center of the universe; And your lack of concern in offending people by the way you speak in any way you please is not a Christian attitude that is expressed in the Bible.

 

[dcontroversal]

Sorry, to inform you, my friend. But your worldview and how you speak is not the center of the universe; And your lack of concern in offending people by the way you speak in any way you please is not a Christian attitude that is expressed in the Bible.

Yeah I seen you say that to Ella as well and I guess your world view is all that and a bag of chips and the standard that I am to weigh my views by? And your last statement judges me and my motives and or what I feel and think....You are not even close to God Jason and you constantly do unto others those things that you gripe and complain about...farce is a nice word to described how you operate!<---that is a statement of fact!

 

[Brainfreeze]

Sorry, to inform you, my friend. But your worldview and how you speak is not the center of the universe; And your lack of concern in offending people by the way you speak in any way you please is not a Christian attitude that is expressed in the Bible.

I use dude all the time, if your offend .., come down off that high horse, the terminology isn't offensive, people use it evvveryday. Now BACK TO " external/internal stuff..

 

[dcontroversal]

If your a rock and fire has no effect on you... If God puts you through the fire, to make you believe you won't shatter to crumbles, you were still put through the fire. He knows you won't shatter, He does it that we know we won't.

God will not tempt any man above that which he able to endure.....

1. Was Jesus a man? Yes or NO
2. Does the Bible teach that Jesus was tempted in ALL POINTS like we are tempted? Yes or No
3. Does the Bible teach that Jesus emptied himself of the glory and took upon himself the form of a servant? Yes or No
4. Does the Bible teach that Jesus was given butter and honey so as to LEARN to CHOOSE the good over the evil? Yes or No
5. Does the Bible teach that Jesus LEARNED to be OBEDIENT by the things which he SUFFERED? Yes or No

My bible teaches YES to all five questions....to argue, say otherwise, trivialize away what he has done, add words, take words out, twist it to fit one's theology contradicts the bible...PERIOD!

 

[Brainfreeze]

God will not tempt any man above that which he able to endure.....

1. Was Jesus a man? Yes or NO
2. Does the Bible teach that Jesus was tempted in ALL POINTS like we are tempted? Yes or No
3. Does the Bible teach that Jesus emptied himself of the glory and took upon himself the form of a servant? Yes or No
4. Does the Bible teach that Jesus was given butter and honey so as to LEARN to CHOOSE the good over the evil? Yes or No
5. Does the Bible teach that Jesus LEARNED to be OBEDIENT by the things which he SUFFERED? Yes or No

My bible teaches YES to all five questions....to argue, say otherwise, trivialize away what he has done, add words, take words out, twist it to fit one's theology contradicts the bible...PERIOD!

Jesus was God, yes or no ?
the rest will answer it's self... We agreed earlier, that human Jesus is more complex then regular humans ...He had no earthly father.. His Father is different ... He's God

 

[Jason0047]

Not exactly Dc ... Even though one wouldn't WANT " temptation " what is offered, the question " tempt "was still asked. We are talking about God here, He can make the blind see, tell me what you can offer a guy/God that can do this...


…26When Peter said, "From strangers," Jesus said to him, "Then the sons are exempt. 27"However, so that we do not offend them, go to the sea and throw in a hook, and take the first fish that comes up; and when you open its mouth, you will find a shekel. Take that and give it to them for you and Me."



Gold out of a fishes mouth... Jesus had a different perception of the world from the start, I agree with Jason that He couldn't fail. The problem is Jason is saying He wasn't tested " in the flesh " to think if He could fail. There's no external, internal talk in the Bible, and his excuse is " God didn't tell us about gravity but it's there ". Gravity can't damn you, temptation can. If you want something or not, if the questions are asked to sin, the tempter did the job.

Look, my friend. Let's just forget about the whole tempted thing. I see that you are unwilling to see it (Even if an English teacher explains it to you). Now, why should we forget it? Well, the word "tempt" is defined as "test" within the Greek, the KJV Dictionary, the Etymology (origin) of the word, and in Modern Translations.

The KJV uses Old English which has influenced Modern Translations. In other words, we don't speak or write Old English anymore and words change with the passage of time. So we can't build an entire theology off a particular word without confirming that truth elswhere in Scripture.

Hebrews 7:26 and other verses are just some of the pieces of the puzzle you are ignoring.

 

[Brainfreeze]

Look, my friend. Let's just forget about the whole tempted thing. I see that you are unwilling to see it (Even if an English teacher explains it to you). Now, why should we forget it? Well, the word "tempt" is defined as "test" within the Greek, the KJV Dictionary, the Etymology (origin) of the word, and in Modern Translations.

The KJV uses Old English which has influenced Modern Translations. In other words, we don't speak or write Old English anymore and words change with the passage of time. So we can't build an entire theology off a particular word without confirming that truth elswhere in Scripture.

I taught English Jason... I won't come back and belittle you though, I will just say your misguided, and like to twist words.

Actually I've taught more then enough here... Time for you to go back over what was said, I'm finished with the topic, have a good afternoon.

 

[Jason0047]

I use dude all the time, if your offend .., come down off that high horse, the terminology isn't offensive, people use it evvveryday. Now BACK TO " external/internal stuff..

Some people think swear words are not all that offensive or bad. Doesn't make it right. In other words, if I knew a brother was offended by the eating of meat, I am not going to eat a big steak in front of him. We are Christians and we are called to love people and not offend them.

In other words, you would call a police officer a dude when he pulled you over? Why wouldn't you call him dude?