Christians and Cussing

[like-minded66]

If you are asking about this, your conscience is probably telling you something and you obviously are not sure (ie. you doubt) about it.

Apply the rule Paul gave in his letters - do not do what you are not certain about, its a sin.

"But whoever has doubts is condemned if they eat, because their eating is not from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin."
R 14:23

Well I'm not asking because I have doubts. I'm not sure if you got what I was asking but I wanted to see if anyone notices how 'normal' it is that Christians cuss (more so the profane words). I think its wrong for a Christian to use profane words. The FCC does too! So if its wrong in the world, what are WE doing using it so casually? I think it involves a watering down/lukewarm effect and ultimately involves falling away if we don't turn back from it.

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

As a Christian we were "set free" the moment we are saved - "made free" speaks of a process. "Set Free," i.e., instantaneous - "Made Free, " i.e., You should know the truth and the truth shall make you free (John 8:32, John 14:6). "Made Free" = sanctification.

Two kinds of peace
1. Justifying Peace - This is Peace with God, a legal standing. Rom. 8:7; Eph. 2:14-15

2. Sanctifying Peace - This is the Peace of God in the heart. Rom. 8:6; 14:19; 15:13; Gal. 1:3

The first is the result of a legal standing. The second is the result of the Work of the Holy Spirit. The first is static, never fluctuates, the second changes almost from hour to hour. The first, every Christian has, the second, every Christian may have.

The sanctifying power of the Holy Spirit mortifies the deed of the flesh by changing my condition into my position which is perfect and Holy because God has declared us justified (not guilt and innocent).



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[like-minded66]

I see some people replace swear words with other words like flippin' to replace the f word. I say, you may as well say the f word because I think it's spirit of it at the end of the day.

I have to be under a lot of pressure for me to let out an explicitive under my breath, I feel bad when I do and I'm working on that.

When we have fear, we are told to read the bible, especially verses on fear, to replace the fearful thoughts.

When someone uses a replacement word it's because they don't want to use the actual cuss word.

By your logic we should just remain in fear.

When someone uses a replacement word they are attempting to express themselves in a way that's not wrong. It's an active action to Not sin. How is that the same spirit as saying a cuss word? They didn't say it. On purpose. They made an effort to not do something wrong and you qualify that as still wrong?

breno785au and Ugly, I think what you both said is valid.

breno785au, I have the same thoughts, that if a person is saying it to replace a cuss word, the spirit of the word is still there...therefore its best that they don't use a 'replacement word'. I think it would be best to try to come up with more creative ways to express and emphasize...which is hard to do...or simply hold your tongue and not say anything at all.

Ugly (if you don't mind me asking, why did you chose the sn Ugly?), I see where you're coming from too because maybe the Spirit may be working in a person this way. Like, maybe someone cussed and used profane words so fluidly that using the replacement word 'flippin' is a habit they have to practice until they don't even have to say it anymore. And then I've heard testimonies of people being completely delivered of cussing, drugs...whatever that sin or habit was...right on the spot of their conversion.

This is my point, that the Spirit is working in us all in a very personal, relational way. No one has the same life, testimony and way that they came to Christ. More importantly its if you reach the finish line than how you get there. That's the beauty of the gospel is that it works in us all the same, yet the Spirit makes His home with us and changes us according to our unique person.

 

[like-minded66]

As a Christian we were "set free" the moment we are saved - "made free" speaks of a process. "Set Free," i.e., instantaneous - "Made Free, " i.e., You should know the truth and the truth shall make you free (John 8:32, John 14:6). "Made Free" = sanctification.

Two kinds of peace
1. Justifying Peace - This is Peace with God, a legal standing. Rom. 8:7; Eph. 2:14-15

2. Sanctifying Peace - This is the Peace of God in the heart. Rom. 8:6; 14:19; 15:13; Gal. 1:3

The first is the result of a legal standing. The second is the result of the Work of the Holy Spirit. The first is static, never fluctuates, the second changes almost from hour to hour. The first, every Christian has, the second, every Christian may have.

The sanctifying power of the Holy Spirit mortifies the deed of the flesh by changing my condition into my position which is perfect and Holy because God has declared us justified (not guilt and innocent).

Thanks for adding this. The sanctify work is our reverential obedience and the Spirit's willing and doing in us, and this mainly speaks to the ridding of deep sins and bad habits such as foul language.

 

[Zen]

Piss is in the bible too. It's probably best to avoid intentionally swearing, but it does happen sometimes.

 

[tourist]

Hell and damn are not swear words. I really don't hear these words in the workforce because they're a little lame.

 

[breno785au]

When we have fear, we are told to read the bible, especially verses on fear, to replace the fearful thoughts.

When someone uses a replacement word it's because they don't want to use the actual cuss word.

By your logic we should just remain in fear.

When someone uses a replacement word they are attempting to express themselves in a way that's not wrong. It's an active action to Not sin. How is that the same spirit as saying a cuss word? They didn't say it. On purpose. They made an effort to not do something wrong and you qualify that as still wrong?

No sorry mate, that's your conclusion of the logic, not mine.
Like-minded is right though, we both have valid points.

 

[Denadii]

This is something that I have been thinking about for a while now and I wanted to get other Christian's perspectives.

First off, I didn't use to use ANY offensive language at all. But now occasionally I'll say like the "H" word or "D" word (rhymes with ham) and lesser offensive words. I still do not and can not use really profane language (I'm sure you know what they are)...I personally don't think they need to be said, and feel that a lot of people in the world say it for emphasis, shock value or its just culturally acceptable. I think people can try to come up with other more intelligible words to use for emphasis if they need to, that's just my opinion.

I'm bringing this up because its something I've noticed that's becoming a norm amongst Christians and in the secular world, like i.e. the work place.

What are your views on this? Do you feel pressure to cuss at your workplace like everyone else? Do you feel pressure to cuss a little bit if other Christian's are? Is it ok, right, wrong to use the lesser offensive words?

Let me know your thoughts. Please lets have a civil discussion and no arguing. I really want to get you alls perspectives.

Are you talking about cursing, profanity of simply vulgar language? They are different you know.

 

[like-minded66]

Are you talking about cursing, profanity of simply vulgar language? They are different you know.

Yes I know the differences. I just said cussing because it encompasses it all...foul/offensive speech. So it could be all three that you mentioned but as Christians I'm speaking of mainly the 4 letter words. Jesus specifically gave commandments against swearing and taking oaths and speaking against our fellow man (cursing), so cursing is not really what I'm talking about. I'm talking about any word that is widely known as offensive yet is becoming more accepted as the norm to speak in the home, work, even the church sadly. We all know what they are.

 

[Muzungu256]

its all in the mind.......... to someone its filthy communication to some its not....... i dont care if someone swears around me.......

 

[Denadii]

Yes I know the differences. I just said cussing because it encompasses it all...foul/offensive speech. So it could be all three that you mentioned but as Christians I'm speaking of mainly the 4 letter words. Jesus specifically gave commandments against swearing and taking oaths and speaking against our fellow man (cursing), so cursing is not really what I'm talking about. I'm talking about any word that is widely known as offensive yet is becoming more accepted as the norm to speak in the home, work, even the church sadly. We all know what they are.

Ok Cursing is basically speaking anything that is related to death. "Oh! We're all going to die!" "I love her to death" type of thing.
Swearing is where one makes an oath... " I swear I'll do this thing." and you do it not. And the like.

Profanity is speaking opposite to Gods Word. In my mind these things are just not done.

HOWEVER! Denadii stands pompously with hand up, pointing one finger at the ceiling. People tend to speak in the vernacular. Meaning they naturally slip into the common way of speaking, depending on what portion of society they are with. That keeps them from looking like snobs..LOL Ok. Its one way of fitting in, and one way of making people comfortable with you. Though it is an ugly way of speaking, what difference does this crude use of words matter? Or does it matter at all.

 

[like-minded66]

its all in the mind.......... to someone its filthy communication to some its not....... i dont care if someone swears around me.......

At times it doesn't bother me either. But there are times when a person is obnoxious and profusely foul with their mouth so I usually avoid them. And if I can't avoid them then I ask them to stop speaking like that around me. When someone has a lot of anger and spews obscenities out of their mouth, I get away from them. You can feel the bitter angry energy coming from them and whether we know it or not, that bad energy and aura can affect us.

 

[like-minded66]

Ok Cursing is basically speaking anything that is related to death. "Oh! We're all going to die!" "I love her to death" type of thing.
Swearing is where one makes an oath... " I swear I'll do this thing." and you do it not. And the like.

Profanity is speaking opposite to Gods Word. In my mind these things are just not done.

HOWEVER! Denadii stands pompously with hand up, pointing one finger at the ceiling. People tend to speak in the vernacular. Meaning they naturally slip into the common way of speaking, depending on what portion of society they are with. That keeps them from looking like snobs..LOL Ok. Its one way of fitting in, and one way of making people comfortable with you. Though it is an ugly way of speaking, what difference does this crude use of words matter? Or does it matter at all.

It can matter a lot for so many different reasons. It can be offensive to some and we're instructed to be sensitive to each other as brothers and sisters respective to where we're at in our walk with Christ. Some may never have said a foul word in their lives, or maybe they're trying to stop all foul speech because the Spirit's strong conviction, or maybe its a person of another religion who is very devout and they're offended by certain speech.