Christians you are jews inwardly

[4runner]

Originally Posted by Strangelove

you are in bondage to the law.

If we put God first in our lives, are we in bondage to the first commandment? Or if we refuse to murder are we in bondage to the command to not murder? Or what about lying, stealing, or coveting? I thought you said you weren't a atonomian?

Once again you are showing your true colors, or is it only the 4th commandment we should disregard?

 

[Laodicea]

If we put God first in our lives, are we in bondage to the first commandment? Or if we refuse to murder are we in bondage to the command to not murder? Or what about lying, stealing, or coveting? I thought you said you weren't a atonomian?

Once again you are showing your true colors, or is it only the 4th commandment we should disregard?

I agree he always seems to be against anything to do with teaching to keep the commandments

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Jesus fulfilled the law freeing us from the ceremonial law that God had under the Old Covenant with the nation of Israel writing the moral law on the hearts of genuine believers yet some people persist in resisting this simple fact.

What does it mean that Jesus fulfilled the law, but did not abolish it?

Do not think I came to destroy the Law

 

[Maaatthew]

How has this thread gotten so off track? haha..

For starters, Christians can not be Jewish. You are born Jewish. To convert would mean you would become a Christian. And if not then you are denying that Christ is the Son of God so you would become a Muslim or something completely different.

Secondly, as Christians we are born into bodange with sin. The commandements are there for us to keep to, so we don't fall into sin and we please God. However because we do, (and God is so merciful, magnificent and graceful) Christ Jesus died on the cross setting us free from the law. Not to say we shouldn't stick to it. Even Christ gave us a new commandement! But, the law is the Old Testament. Christ Jesus is the New.

Like a Father who forgives his child endless times and then disciplines them, so our Father In Heaven forgives us if we turn to Christ Jesus and beg for repentance. Not to say that doesn't mean God The Father will discipline us later on haha.

God bless x

 

[Laodicea]

Jesus fulfilled the law freeing us from the ceremonial law that God had under the Old Covenant with the nation of Israel writing the moral law on the hearts of genuine believers yet some people persist in resisting this simple fact.

What does it mean that Jesus fulfilled the law, but did not abolish it?

Do not think I came to destroy the Law

Yes the death of Jesus did away with the ceremonial laws with all the ceremonial sabbaths but, the 10 commandments were not part of that they were not done away with if they could be God would have done it before Jesuq died so He would not have to die. The wages of sin is death and is still that because God's 10 commandments cannot be changed. All 10 are for all mankind including the 4th. Those who do not accept the gift of God will have to accept the wages of sin for themselves.

 

[Naphal]

All 10 are for all mankind including the 4th.

The 4th has been fulfilled. Leave the shadow where it belongs and come into the TRUE Sabbath/REST in Christ.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

You're getting warmer but still failing to grasp all that Christ accomplished. Read:

the Old or New Covenant

Yes the death of Jesus did away with the ceremonial laws with all the ceremonial sabbaths but, the 10 commandments were not part of that they were not done away with if they could be God would have done it before Jesuq died so He would not have to die. The wages of sin is death and is still that because God's 10 commandments cannot be changed. All 10 are for all mankind including the 4th. Those who do not accept the gift of God will have to accept the wages of sin for themselves.

 

[Laodicea]

The 4th has been fulfilled. Leave the shadow where it belongs and come into the TRUE Sabbath/REST in Christ.

The ceremonial sabbaths were shadows not the weekly sabbath

 

[Laodicea]

You're getting warmer but still failing to grasp all that Christ accomplished. Read:

the Old or New Covenant

Do you think you have all the truth?

 

[Naphal]

The ceremonial sabbaths were shadows not the weekly sabbath

The weekly Sabbath was a shadow of the NT Sabbath, rest in Christ not rest on a day of the week.

 

[Laodicea]

The weekly Sabbath was a shadow of the NT Sabbath, rest in Christ not rest on a day of the week.

No it is not. When Jesus died He rested in the grave on sabbath and rose the 1st day. We are to worship God in spirit and truth. If we love God we will keep His commandments

 

[Naphal]

No it is not.

Colossians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the Sabbath:
Colossians 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.


Christ is the light which did cast the Saturday Sabbath shadow. It was always him!

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

You're making assertions that aren't true friend about Christians under the New Covenant actually being under the Old Covenant based on fallicious reasoning and now you are resorting to a red herring to avoid having to admit it.

the Old or New Covenant

Do you think you have all the truth?

 

[Strangelove]

So to believe God and His word and to actually obey Him is ''NOT'' worshiping in truth? I think you have it backwards, but then again you are backwards on everything pertaining to God and His truth.

Keeping mosaic ceremonial ordinances by the letter is not worshipping in truth.

Are you debating me again?

 

[Strangelove]

If we put God first in our lives, are we in bondage to the first commandment? Or if we refuse to murder are we in bondage to the command to not murder? Or what about lying, stealing, or coveting?

Course not. We are walking unto good works by the Holy Spirit conforming us the to law written on our hearts.

I thought you said you weren't a atonomian?

Have I said Christians shouldnt be bringing forth good fruit?

Once again you are showing your true colors, or is it only the 4th commandment we should disregard?

We Chrsitians keep our sabbath in Christ Jesus our eternal rest.

Carnal minds cant see the shadows of the old covenant though.

We dont need the written laws of the old covenant. We have all we need with the Hioly Spirit.

 

[Strangelove]

I agree he always seems to be against anything to do with teaching to keep the commandments

Who are you teaching to keep commandments?

Which commandments?

Jesus commandments or the law for the ancient Hebrews?

 

[4runner]

Keeping mosaic ceremonial ordinances by the letter is not worshipping in truth.

Are you debating me again?

There is no debating you. There is no truth in you at all, everything you say is false.

 

[AnandaHya]

There is no debating you. There is no truth in you at all, everything you say is false.

not true not EVERYTHING he says is false.

sometimes the truth can be spoken with impure motives or out of context or to get someone to do something they shouldn't. there are other reasons as well. (not that I'm saying Strangelove is doing these things just given you caution to look past your personal feelings to the words and compare them to the Bible and ask God in prayer for His truth)

we should not label people and ALL their ideas as false but go on a case by case basis.

http://media.sermonindex.net/16/SID16697.mp3

 

[4runner]

not true not EVERYTHING he says is false.

sometimes the truth can be spoken with impure motives or out of context or to get someone to do something they shouldn't. there are other reasons as well. (not that I'm saying Strangelove is doing these things just given you caution to look past your personal feelings to the words and compare them to the Bible and ask God in prayer for His truth)

we should not label people and ALL their ideas as false but go on a case by case basis.

http://media.sermonindex.net/16/SID16697.mp3

Speaking a truth with the intention to deceive is still a lie. You are right though strangelove is a deceiver.

 

[AnandaHya]

Speaking a truth with the intention to deceive is still a lie. You are right though strangelove is a deceiver.

that is not what I said or meant. how did you get that out of "not that I'm saying Strangelove is doing these things"

no speaking the truth is speaking the truth.

twisting it to make others do your will is wrong and a sin but the person can still speak the truth when they do it.

sigh.....


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