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TemporaryCircumstances
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How is their Jesus spirit in them wrong?
And not that it disagrees with yours. That's the point Blain is saying.
Well think about this, you say if their spirit disagrees with the spirit of Jesus in you they do not have the holy spirit, however there is a major flaw in this thinking. to assume you know peoples hearts like that is very dangerous. the eyes we see through is the evidence of the state of our hearts and sadly can easily be altered and thus can see through the wrong pair of eyes.
It's actually very easy to think their spirit disagrees with ours but it's because of this that we cannot assume we know their hearts or that they don't have the holy spirit. Never assume anything because things are rarely what they appear
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TemporaryCircumstances
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Okay
But you said that their Jesus spirit doesn't match yours... which means they do have it, you just don't agree with it
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TemporaryCircumstances
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Take a journey into the Family forum. The plethora of porn, adultery, divorce threads. Those people have sinned and still are, but they are Christians.. So once again, YES, Christians do sin. We are not perfect, we do still stumble and sin. And no offense, but you sound a little prideful when you say "I can see when someone's saved."
Are you omniscient? NO. Are you psychic? NO. Can you read their minds? NO. It is prideful and haughty behavior to say "I can tell when someone is saved". You ain't Jesus, and like TempCir said, ONLY Jesus knows whether someone's saved or not..
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Yahweh_is_gracious
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I let them be. I'm in no position to speak to them on any religious topic, and even if I see them acting in a manner contrary to what I feel they should be if they took their faith seriously, I'm in no position to judge due to my own struggles, not to mention my daily crisis of faith.
Can explain your process on deciding if their saved or not? what are the factors of their standing of being saved or not saved?
It depends on the person..I know a brother in Christ who pretty much smokes weed all day, hacks people online, and tries to preach on Facebook at the same time..Its sad to watch how he lives because he knows better yet he chooses this life for himself. I tried telling him the truth, but he would always like to pick and choose what scriptures to agree to, and which ones to ignore. In the end i had to stop mentoring him because he was starting to come against me with hate and jealousy
and he made it crystal clear that he would rather get high than live in truth.
also All who come to Christ are saved from being slaves to sin...Colossians 1:13 talks about how we were brought out from the darkness and into the kingdom of Christ. Ezekiel 36:26 talks about receiving a new heart and a new spirit put within us = the mind of Christ and the Holy Spirit... The issue is that after receiving all of this some people still choose operate from the old mind,old ways, not being slaves anymore, but still bound by old sinful habits because they have not yet learned how to function as a new creation in Christ and also not renewing their mind Romans 12:2.. the apostles gave instruction on how to live after being saved, but some people choose to neglect everything beyond the book of Matthew... People have options and choices to make, some don't know what they have, some choose to neglect it,some just flat out understand and walk in it completely, and some don't yet know but are learning and growing.. The best thing to do for anyone is to give them the truth of God and let them walk wherever they choose, cant force anyone into the kingdom or judge anyone for making dumb choices.. God judges a person by their heart, just have faith that his will be done always. and pray for those who fall.. sometimes they have to hit rock bottom to reach out to God so they can come back again.
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Spokenpassage
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Ask them if they know and understand the gospel. Usually if they aren't Christian, they either say 'Jesus died for our sins' without further explanation even if you ask them or that they don't know (by my statistics).
When i first came to Christ that is all i knew, so you can't go by how much knowledge or scripture a person knows
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Spokenpassage
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Well, what I mean is that is usually the response of most people and nothing further. If you ask them what does that mean, they can't explain. Ask what happened after, they can't explain. Ask why he needed to do that, they can't explain. It was something they heard their parents or friends say.
It goes both ways too because i know some satanists who know the bible even better than most Christians... its better to just give them the truth of God, if they accept it awesome, if not, it is what it is, sometimes like i said a person has to live a little longer to get the message, and like i said earlier, sometimes people in Christ just live wrong.
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