Concerning the gift of tongues
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But this isn't about seeking a sign to bolster one's own faith. It's past that. Personally for me, I don't need to have my faith in the Lord bolstered with signs because I already have a lot of faith. Enough faith to allow Him to work miracles through me by gifts of the Holy Spirit to serve Him and build up His church. Do you see now?
And Jesus and Paul worked at that capacity where they had so much faith that they were able to do miracles. Even Jesus said that we would do greater things.
John 14:12
Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father.
We do greater things because He gives us His Holy Spirit. I don't see why I should waste ANY opportunities for the Holy Spirit to work through me or even deny Him from working those gifts that scare cessationists so much.
At this point I'm not really even addressing these posts to cessationists anymore and just using these to encourage other people and give them valid and good reasons to let God work through them with these gifts to serve Him and help the church. The end of this age is fast approaching and we need to build up the church to withstand the coming persecution as much as we can. These gifts will definitely help them.
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I see what you are saying but not the miracles you claim to be performing, so I hope you see why I doubt those rather than being scared by them. If you could not work miracles, would it cause you to have less faith?
The greater thing Jesus said we would do is work the most excellent miracle of love and spiritual unity because of agreement regarding the kerygma. Do we agree on that?
The evidence of having His Holy Spirit is manifesting loving fruit. Agreed?
Encouraging perseverance in obeying God's will is good, which increases as one learns GW from the HS,
emphasizing what Jesus (John.13:35) and Paul (2Cor.5:7) did: love, faith, unity of the HS and the gift of GW (Eph.4:3-13).
The greater thing Jesus said we would do is work the most excellent miracle of love and spiritual unity because of agreement regarding the kerygma. Do we agree on that?
The evidence of having His Holy Spirit is manifesting loving fruit. Agreed?
Encouraging perseverance in obeying God's will is good, which increases as one learns GW from the HS,
emphasizing what Jesus (John.13:35) and Paul (2Cor.5:7) did: love, faith, unity of the HS and the gift of GW (Eph.4:3-13).
Why would I have less faith if God doesn't choose to work miracles a certain way? It's really up to Him and I honor whatever way He chooses to work through me. The point is not to give God a hard time and just go along with what He wants. He's already described in the Bible what gifts He wants to distribute and how He wants to use them through His people. All He needs are His people to be willing to have Him work through them.
All the things you're encouraging is fine and people who have the gifts also bear the good fruit of the Holy Spirit. Those good fruit and the gifts of the Holy Spirit don't have to be mutually exclusive of each other, the way you make it sound. Why should they be separate? They both come from the same Holy Spirit.
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I think it is important to note that miracles is one of the spiritual gifts and not everyone has the same gifts as another
1 Corinthians 12:10-11 NIV
10 to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues
it doesn't mean one has less faith if they cannot speak tongues or perform miracles it just is not distrubted to them is all
1 Corinthians 12:10-11 NIV
10 to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues
it doesn't mean one has less faith if they cannot speak tongues or perform miracles it just is not distrubted to them is all
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Again when folks doubt the salvation of those whose experience does not include miracles it can discourage them unless they are knowledgeable about God’s Word regarding that issue beginning with the truth that the HS communicates via the still small voice for those who are not so stubborn as to require wind and fire.
You explained your opinion. It would be better for you if you did not try to give the impression you are somehow privy to what Paul or anyone else that was his contemporary were thinking. While on the subject, it would also behoove you to grant the rest of us here in the forum, the same courtesy.
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Alas my rabbit trail making person; this is not about people's 'feelings'. Salvation itself is actually a miracle and it would be grand indeed if people would study ALL they have been saved 'from'. Then go from there. Sadly, salvation itself has been distorted and God looked upon like some kind grandfather that chuckles babies under the chin and burps them on His knee.
Mind you, Jesus did say 'suffer the little children to come to me' but unless you are still sucking on a milk bottle, that does not apply to most adults. Don't make excuses for others who probably don't need any more than they already have. Since we are a little stuck in just one matter with regards to the Corinthian church, people should know that Paul was giving them what for because they were stuck in the milk stage of their 'growth'. People should read/study both I and II Corinthians to really capture the flavor of the epistle and the why and the how
Mind you, Jesus did say 'suffer the little children to come to me' but unless you are still sucking on a milk bottle, that does not apply to most adults. Don't make excuses for others who probably don't need any more than they already have. Since we are a little stuck in just one matter with regards to the Corinthian church, people should know that Paul was giving them what for because they were stuck in the milk stage of their 'growth'. People should read/study both I and II Corinthians to really capture the flavor of the epistle and the why and the how
Hey good on yah! When the NT disagrees with you, you turn to the OT. And job of all things! Don't whether that is sad or funny. Most likely both.
What miracle was the unforgiving servant employing? The rest of the gang are all OT people without Christ and without the indwelling Holy Spirit.'
'You really do a good job of trying to yank people's conceptions of God into a the pretzel of your own vain opinions
Well as a child my parents wondered whether I enjoyed the circus because I did not get very emotional. I have always been more meditative and logical. More like Paul than Peter. I hope you will grow beyond being judgmental on your part and allow for various personalities to be just as saved and good Christians as you.
When a gift in scripture has so many things written about it, and nothing about it ending, then it hasn't.
Those who don't believe it are practicing unbelief about things prophesied in the OT that will happen in the NT.
I feel sorry for people that, because most of them skip Acts 2 in their Bible studies because no one knows what to do with it.
The Corinthian church, known as the biggest abuser of the gifts, was disciplined by Paul for it, properly explaining to them how the gifts should be used.
Paul taught it to the church because the gifts belonged to the church. God wanted it that way & told Joel in the OT about it. That prophecy came true in Acts to 120 disciples, all types of christians with many different ministries.
When the Romans scattered this new church, they went everywhere preaching the Gospel with boldness.
It was unstoppable because the Giver of these gifts couldn't be forced to stop by any means.
To you unbelieving mockers, you won't stop it either.
I would that the Lord would judge between us & you so that you will learn not to blaspheme the gifts of God.
Imagine what our 2 cents will do with His anointing in the midst.
Those who don't believe it are practicing unbelief about things prophesied in the OT that will happen in the NT.
I feel sorry for people that, because most of them skip Acts 2 in their Bible studies because no one knows what to do with it.
The Corinthian church, known as the biggest abuser of the gifts, was disciplined by Paul for it, properly explaining to them how the gifts should be used.
Paul taught it to the church because the gifts belonged to the church. God wanted it that way & told Joel in the OT about it. That prophecy came true in Acts to 120 disciples, all types of christians with many different ministries.
When the Romans scattered this new church, they went everywhere preaching the Gospel with boldness.
It was unstoppable because the Giver of these gifts couldn't be forced to stop by any means.
To you unbelieving mockers, you won't stop it either.
I would that the Lord would judge between us & you so that you will learn not to blaspheme the gifts of God.
Imagine what our 2 cents will do with His anointing in the midst.
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