CONFESSING YOUR RIGHTEOUSNESS PLEASES GOD

[eternally-gratefull]

It's an issue with false-grace believers because it says to pray for forgiveness and they believe that there is no need to pray for forgiveness. Some go so far to say that doing so is unbelief and a slap to GOD's face. Seriously. That's why they have to get rid of the prayer.

please please.

Show us one person who said we should get rid of the prayer.

I think the prayer is an awesome prayer..

I must ask again, Why do you always think negative.. Do you go to church? what church do you go to?

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

Non-existent "false-grace believers" reminds me of the Spring groundhog -- it's a fruitless argument.

 

[Grace777x70]

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Notice how everything points back to the blood of Jesus? Amen!

"And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God." Rev 19:13

Amen....even Jesus was raised from the dead we were, with His own blood by the Father.

Hebrews 13:20 (NASB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] Now the God of peace, who brought up from the dead the great Shepherd of the sheepthrough the blood of the eternal covenant, even Jesus our Lord,

 

[Blain]

right?

(i'm pretty sure i sin a whole lotta times when i don't even realize it )

You know what the funny thing is? I think many of us see sin in ourselves more so than others we tend to be the most critical on ourselves than anyone literally fulfilling the phrase being our own worst enemy. I tend to see myself as a worse sinner than everyone else I look at others and then myself and think to myself that I bet they don't sin how I do or as much as I do.

The enemy is very good at making us think like this but God doesn't see what we do, it's so easy to see all my flaws my sins every screw up everything wrong with me and base my opinion of myself on that but I am 100% sure God sees and thinks the opposite of what I do about me and I don't want to view myself from my eyes I want to view myself from his.
There is a difference between humbleness and fake humbleness, yes I am a sinner but beating myself up seeing myself as a wretch focusing on my my weakness and sin every flaw is not humbleness, being humble I think is knowing who we are in God knowing that he sees we are clean we are righteous we royalty kings and queens yet never viewing ourselves higher than others.

God says all these amazing things about us and I think he meant for us to believe him

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You know what the funny thing is? I think many of us see sin in ourselves more so than others we tend to be the most critical on ourselves than anyone literally fulfilling the phrase being our own worst enemy. I tend to see myself as a worse sinner than everyone else I look at others and then myself and think to myself that I bet they don't sin how I do or as much as I do.

The enemy is very good at making us think like this but God doesn't see what we do, it's so easy to see all my flaws my sins every screw up everything wrong with me and base my opinion of myself on that but I am 100% sure God sees and thinks the opposite of what I do about me and I don't want to view myself from my eyes I want to view myself from his.
There is a difference between humbleness and fake humbleness, yes I am a sinner but beating myself up seeing myself as a wretch focusing on my my weakness and sin every flaw is not humbleness, being humble I think is knowing who we are in God knowing that he sees we are clean we are righteous we royalty kings and queens yet never viewing ourselves higher than others.

God says all these amazing things about us and I think he meant for us to believe him

thats the very reason the law will never make anyone holy. The rules are there to prove we are sinners. But if we keep focusing on rules. we will never grow. because we will ass you say, be our worse enemy (or have to lie about the truth, and think we are more righteous than we really are)

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

please please.

Show us one person who said we should get rid of the prayer.

I think the prayer is an awesome prayer..

I must ask again, Why do you always think negative.. Do you go to church? what church do you go to?

I'm going to play you'se guys games. If you really want to know all you have to do is search. Rufus, Prince, Farley all teach this. It's not hidden.

 

[Blain]

It's an issue with false-grace believers because it says to pray for forgiveness and they believe that there is no need to pray for forgiveness. Some go so far to say that doing so is unbelief and a slap to GOD's face. Seriously. That's why they have to get rid of the prayer.

You wish to take away a part of God's word? Jesus spoke that prayer for a good reason this was a prayer from the mouth of God himself and you want to get rid of it?

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Non-existent "false-grace believers" reminds me of the Spring groundhog -- it's a fruitless argument.

What do you want to call them? Hyper-grace believers? Grace believers? They exist and they believe false grace teachings.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I'm going to play you'se guys games. If you really want to know all you have to do is search. Rufus, Prince, Farley all teach this. It's not hidden.

I did not know Rufus Prince and Farly were discussing th ebible wiht us here in Christian chat.

I asked for you to show where a person in here is teaching those things.

can you show any??

I am not discussing the bible with those men, so what they say does not concern me.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

You wish to take away a part of God's word? Jesus spoke that prayer for a good reason this was a prayer from the mouth of God himself and you want to get rid of it?

I'm baffled at your response. This is what false-grace believers teach. Not me. I oppose it.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

What do you want to call them? Hyper-grace believers? Grace believers? They exist and they believe false grace teachings.

what the bible calls them.

[SUP]4 [/SUP]For certain men have crept in unnoticed, who long ago were marked out for this condemnation, ungodly men, who turn the grace of our God into licentiousness and deny the only Lord God[SUP][b][/SUP] and our Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Blain]

I'm baffled at your response. This is what false-grace believers teach. Not me. I oppose it.

Oh I see my apologies I clearly misunderstood what you were saying

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

Meh, I thought it WAS in line with the OP. haha! But then I am confused a lot!

OK .. why not get back to the OP ...

I have an open backyard garden myself, no fences ... and as you mention, the squirrels, rabbits, skunks etc partake of it's bounty, but also some neighbors - children - but also the occasional adult sneaks in and helps themselves. I thought at first to step out on my balcony and shame them ... but the Lord in me reminded me of a few scriptures. My love and appreciation for those commands stopped me ... .... .... now I just let whomever wants to take from it to take - even with a smile. That is God's righteousness and love at work in me. It's certainly not the spirit of the world at work. My new righteousness comes from Him - it is in fact His righteousness that works through me ... I confess it and am grateful to Him for it.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I did not know Rufus Prince and Farly were discussing th ebible wiht us here in Christian chat.

I asked for you to show where a person in here is teaching those things.

can you show any??

I am not discussing the bible with those men, so what they say does not concern me.

See this is how you and others reduce threads to nonsense. I posted earlier exactly what you are asking, and you act like I didn't.

 

[Grace777x70]

You wish to take away a part of God's word? Jesus spoke that prayer for a good reason this was a prayer from the mouth of God himself and you want to get rid of it?

People have been falsely accused of saying to get rid of it..it's a "twisting" of what was really said...all scripture is for us to learn from....some elements of the prayer have been fulfilled after the death and resurrection of our Lord...like the kingdom has already come and it is inside of us...and the forgiveness of sins is ours as well in the New Covenant....

here is a good article about it..

The Lord’s Prayer – Escape to Reality

 

[gb9]

I'm baffled at your response. This is what false-grace believers teach. Not me. I oppose it.

correct. you oppose grace. thanks for clarifying that.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

See this is how you and others reduce threads to nonsense. I posted earlier exactly what you are asking, and you act like I didn't.

you did. You posted Grace777 taught it, which has been proven he does not so many times I lost track.

When did you post that others here in CC taught this thing about the lords prayer is not somethign we should learn from today?

 

[ladylynn]

Staying humble and contrite can be wonderful catalysts...

It can't be done apart from the Holy Spirit working in and through us. There is the truth that God has NOT given us the spirit of fear (the spirit of the world)... BUT of POWER and LOVE and a SOUND MIND. Those are all from the Holy Spirit. He has given us that Spirit. The question is how can we allow the Holy Spirit to work in and through us?

For me, I received the baptism of the Holy Spirit. I was all alone reading and seeing such a need in me. I already knew the Holy Spirit was in me and sealed me when I got saved in 1982. But I was not showing any power to 'do' the things in the Bible I sought to do from the heart. All the desires but no staying power to do them.

So I asked the Lord to show me HOW to DO THIS WALK. How am I supposed to do all this???? It's way to much, it's over my head Lord!!! I prayed for the baptism of the Holy Spirit. He was already in me, I wanted to be in Him because this was not working for me all through my life the way I was first taught. Just submit? I did that and had many things outwardly done that were correct and also incorrect.

But it was the inside joy and needed wisdom that flows out to follow from the heart that was missing and the power to do it well and wisely.

I needed His constant comfort and guidance for every second. Life happens by the second, and stupid feelings and choices in life can be done in just seconds causing major ramifications for many years.
There has to be more than my will power. It's the Holy Spirit's power that (worketh) in us to DO of His good pleasure. I hear it in my memory in the KingJames version.

In John 7:38-39 Jesus was talking about "He who believes in Me, as the Scripture said, From his innermost being shall flow rivers of living water." (From his belly)

But this He spoke of the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were to receive; for the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

I have always felt that stirring in my stomach. But it didn't last. It was more of an emotional thing and I had long since decided emotions can be majorly stupid. I think the original texts called it from your "belly" shall flow rivers of living water. There is something about our guts. But anyway, the Amplified puts it this way;

he who believes in Me who cleaves to and trusts in and relies on Me as the Scripture has said, "From his innermost being shall flow continuously springs and rivers of living water".

And it is continuous. I needed the Holy Spirit continuously working. Before that receiving over a year ago, I did not have continual rivers and springs of living water flowing.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

correct. you oppose grace. thanks for clarifying that.

lol.. He is the false grace teacher here,

He claims he teaches grace, when in reality, he teaches works ..

Thats why he hates grace so much, Grace condemns him, and his works.

 

[roaringkitten]

Amen....even Jesus was raised from the dead we were, with His own blood by the Father.

Hebrews 13:20 (NASB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] Now the God of peace, who brought up from the dead the great Shepherd of the sheepthrough the blood of the eternal covenant, even Jesus our Lord,

Good verse! Christians need to be more focused on what the blood of Jesus accomplished. It's a done deal. We are safe by His blood! When God saw the blood on the lintel and side posts in Exodus, the firstborn were safe from the destroyer. When God saw the blood of Christ, we were safe forever!