Creation reveals the glory and wisdom of God

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Eli1

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Well then, what is the matter that forms space? If space is expanding then it must be some form of matter,
The matter in space, including us, which is only 4% of the observable universe by the way, is created by the 4 fundamental forces of the Universe.
There are four fundamental forces at work in the universe: the strong force, the weak force, the electromagnetic force, and the gravitational force. They work over different ranges and have different strengths.
The Standard Model | CERN (home.cern)

This is called the fine-tuning argument, which again, supports the Bible and existence of God.
If any of these parameters would be off by 0.000000001%, we wouldn't exist.
 

Cameron143

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Have your read the Primordial Atom hypothesis? It is not my hypothesis. It doesn't sit chilling, it expands and contracts, in perpetuity. You can believe the primordial atom had an external cause all you want, but if all space, matter time and energy existed prior to its expanse, then nothing was created.



Where did the atom come from?
 

UnoiAmarah

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The matter in space, including us, which is only 4% of the observable universe by the way, is created by the 4 fundamental forces of the Universe.

What is space made of, not the matter in space?
 

UnoiAmarah

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According to the hypothesis, the primordial atom contained all the space, mass, time and energy of the universe, it basically was the universe in and of itself yet in a highly condensed state. When it rapidly expanded it is said to have formed our known and observed universe. The Catholic Priest who proposed the hypothesis avoided the subject of the origin of the primordial atom itself.
 

blueluna5

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For the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse (Rom 1:20)

It would appear that most people (including many Christians) do not really meditate on the marvels of God’s creation. But one when thinks about everything that God has made, and presently exists all over the world, one is awestruck by the “genius” of God and Christ (who was designated by God the Father to be the Creator of the universe). He is both Creator and Redeemer.

One simply has to look at the amazing varieties of all the species in the animal and vegetable kingdom, including birds, butterflies, bees, and bacteria. One simply has to ponder on the marvelous creation of the human body in all its intricate features and functions. And then we have the beauties of nature, in the mountains, forest, lakes, and streams. As well as the oceans, and the huge variety of creatures and species that live in them.

What God has also done in create every creature for the particular environment in which it is found, and thrives. And the way that the varieties of horses and other intelligent creatures exist. The intelligence of horses and many other creatures is quite remarkable. But then the Bible tells us that God made the ostrich to lack any intelligence. But all creatures have been given instincts to live and survive and reproduce, so they do exactly what they are supposed to do instinctively.

When we think of the plant kingdom, and the huge variety of trees, shrubs, medicinal plants, flowers, fruit trees, and trees producing sap and syrup, it boggles the mind. Then the way God has given both mankind and other creatures fruits, vegetables, berries, and all kinds of trees to sustain humans, animal and birds, that reveals the wisdom of God. And every species in the plant kingdom is perfectly suited for is particular environment. Only God could make all this happen by simply speaking, and creating all things out of nothing.

None of the above tells us about the laws of nature embedded into creation, and the mathematics that govern all created things with mathematical precision. God is the Great Mathematician (among other things).

Then we come to the intelligence of mankind, and that certain people have been endowed with genius, including child prodigies. Everything discovered and created by man. in accordance with the natural laws which exists, is in itself amazing. But the sinful nature of mankind has perverted science in order to maim, destroy, and kill.

When we come to the spirit realm (the most important of all realms), only human beings have been given spirits. But because of the Fall, all natural humans have “dead” spirits, and only those who have been supernaturally regenerated have spirits which are alive to God and to His written Word.

And thus we come to the Holy Bible, which is direct divine revelation given to apostles and prophets. It is not only a written Word, but it is Quick (alive), and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.(Heb 4:12, 13)

The ultimate purpose of the Bible is to reveal the Lord Jesus Christ as both God and Savior, and to present His finished work in His sufferings, His death, His burial, and His resurrection. But we should not forget His ascension to the right hand of the Father, and His present divine ministry as High Priest, Mediator, and Advocate. God wants all mankind to be saved, and to come to the knowledge of His truth. And so He presents Christ throughout the Bible, particularly in the New Testament. And the way of salvation by grace through faith in Christ and His finished work of redemption.

But those who reject the Gospel and reject Christ will face Him as the Supreme Judge. Thus God now commands all men everywhere to repent (Acts 17:3o)

God is a creator and creates something out of nothing. We are made in his image and also creators, although we create using his creation.

He also creates using his words. "And the word was with God, and the word was God." We also use communication much different than animals, which if at all is only for survival.

He also creates wealth. "God made gold. And the gold of the land is good." God also made EVERY tree, but 1 for us. You could even make the argument he knew we would eat it, therfore it was also created for us. Either way God is the God of abundance and blessing. That's why Jesus said "why have you forsaken me" when he was cursed on the cross. Jesus was also rich and lived in abundance. And the parables about money in the Bible would equivalate to the millions in today's world. Not quite the Bible we were all led to believe.

Macro evolution is a blatant lie and it reads as such. That's why adaptation is true, but evolution is a lie. Lies always involve half truths. That's why the masses believe in them. There are 0 examples of any animal becoming anything outside of its kind. We're actually losing thousands to tens of thousands animals every year. They are going extinct. Think of dinosaurs. We don't have any today and really nothing similar, unless you count the lizard or bird family. Which....is very different than any dinosaur found. Evolution would mean things would start out smaller and grow bigger over time, but we actually have the opposite. Just 1 of many issues with dragons, I mean dinosaurs.

Jesus did not die for everyone, "less they turn from their wicked ways and be saved."

And

"I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel."

So some belong to God, and some do not.
 

Burn1986

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Are you stupid or something? This OP was not meant to refute your nonsense. Go back to that thread and see what I actually posted!

I have already explained the biblical Gospel many times, but you have probably ignored my posts.

So rather than "explain" the biblical Gospel, I will give you the authoritative words of the Lord Jesus Christ, to set you (and other Calvinists) straight. And pay close attention to John 3:17, since that ONE verse totally demolishes TULIP:
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Everyone agrees, including Strong's and Thayer's that the Greek word for world here --kosmos -- means the whole world of humanity. Which means that Christ (and even John Calvin in his Commentary) is flatly telling you that God, and Christ, and the Holy Spirit will draw ALL MEN to themselves.

Strong's Concordance
kosmos: order, the world
Original Word: κόσμος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: kosmos
Phonetic Spelling: (kos'-mos)
Definition: order, the world
Usage: the world, universe; worldly affairs; the inhabitants of the world; adornment.

Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 2889: κόσμος
κόσμος, κόσμου, ὁ;
5. the inhabitants of the world: θέατρον ἐγενήθημεν τῷ κόσμῳ καί ἀγγέλοις καί ἀνθρώποις, 1 Corinthians 4:9 (Winers Grammar, 127 (121)); particularly the inhabitants of the earth, men, the human race (first so in Sap. (e. g. )): Matthew 13:38; Matthew 18:7; Mark 14:9; John 1:10, 29 ( L in brackets); ; Romans 3:6, 19; 1 Corinthians 1:27f (cf. Winer's Grammar, 189 (178)); ; 2 Corinthians 5:19; James 2:5 (cf. Winer's Grammar, as above)
Apparently Thayer carefully avoided John 3:16,17 since he may have been a Calvinist.
But John Calvin set him straight long before Thayer.

Calvin's Commentary on Bible Hub
v 16. For God so loved the world. Christ opens up the first cause, and, as it were, the source of our salvation, and he does so, that no doubt may remain; for our minds cannot find calm repose, until we arrive at the unmerited love of God. As the whole matter of our salvation must not be sought any where else than in Christ, so we must see whence Christ came to us, and why he was offered to be our Savior. Both points are distinctly stated to us: namely, that faith in Christ brings life to all, and that Christ brought life, because the Heavenly Father loves the human race, and wishes that they should not perish... [TAKE CAREFUL NOTE]

v 17. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world. It is a confirmation of the preceding statement; for it was not in vain that God sent his own Son to us. He came not to destroy; and therefore it follows, that it is the peculiar office of the Son of God, that all who believe may obtain salvation by him. There is now no reason why any man should be in a state of hesitation, or of distressing anxiety, as to the manner in which he may escape death, when we believe that it was the purpose of God that Christ should deliver us from it. The word world is again repeated, that no man may think himself wholly excluded, if he only keep the road of faith.
So, we can say “stupid” on here? I’ve kind of held off, but let’s wait and see what happens. 👍

At least you’re arguing against the “elect/ predestined” whack jobs
 

Nehemiah6

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So, we can say “stupid” on here?
He messed up a good edifying thread when all he had to do is go to the appropriate thread. I rarely say anything derogatory. And then he is promoting a false gospel.
 

Eli1

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What is space made of, not the matter in space?
Space is an intelligently designed construct (or framework) with those 4 rules baked-in (plus the concept of Time).
The space between your eyes and the computer screen is not empty, but it’s busy with quantum fluctuations which operate based on those 4 rules to create the matter which we can see which is only 4% of the observable universe.

That’s space in this universe.
 

MerSee

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The matter in space, including us, which is only 4% of the observable universe by the way, is created by the 4 fundamental forces of the Universe.

The Standard Model | CERN (home.cern)

This is called the fine-tuning argument, which again, supports the Bible and existence of God.
If any of these parameters would be off by 0.000000001%, we wouldn't exist.
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vassal

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Jesus Christ only died for the elect/sheep/wheat/just. :love:
MerSee,
Isaiah and John portray the Messiah's death as a sacrificial offering that would justify many and bear their iniquities, indicating a universal impact rather than a limited atonement.

Isaiah 53:6 (Old Testament): "All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned—every one—to his own way; and the Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all."
John 3:16 (New Testament): "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life."
1 John 2:2 (New Testament): "He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world."
 

vassal

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Where did the atom come from?
Jhn 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Jhn 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Jhn 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Jhn 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
Jhn 1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.