Crucifixion Day

Bladerunner · Mar 24, 2018

Thank you!

Blade

Bladerunner · Mar 24, 2018

Well I'm not going to quibble over the exact time but I am going to remain in awe of the event.

We have the Son of God nailed to the cross the most spectacular event in all of time and eternity. An event so magnificent that all of heaven stooped to view it.

The perfect Lamb of God beaten and crucified for the sins of mankind. The redemption provided by God Himself is not diminished by those who worry about was it this day or perhaps another day. Jesus died was buried and rose again for us. Never lose sight of what He has done.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

And the Most glorious thing of all, It was preordained from Eternity past.

Bladerunner · Mar 24, 2018

Noose said:

When i tell you there was 2 time systems in play during Jesus' time, you better listen to what i tell you.
The Jewish system - day started at 3am and the Roman system, day started at 6am. Look at these two crucifixion accounts and tell me- what time was Jesus crucified?

John 19:13When Pilate therefore heard that saying, he brought Jesus forth, and sat down in the judgment seat in a place that is called the Pavement, but in the Hebrew, Gabbatha. 14And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he said to the Jews, Behold your King! 15But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him. Pilate said to them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests answered, We have no king but Caesar.
16Then delivered he him therefore to them to be crucified. And they took Jesus, and led him away.

Mark 15:25 It was the thirdhour when they crucified Him. 26And the charge inscribed against Him read: The King of the Jews.

The verse you quoted (Mark 15:25) place the crucifixion at 9AM in the morning.....The Morning started at 6AM........The Third Hour = 3+6=9........The times line is simple,,,,6PM new day (evening) and 6 AM (morning)

Deade · Mar 24, 2018

MarcR said:

The verse standing alone could certainly be understood that way. Let's look at the context:

1 Cor 15:1-20
Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.
7 After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.
8 And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.

9 For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.
10 But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.
11 Therefore whether it were I or they, so we preach, and so ye believed.

12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?
13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:
14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.
15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.
16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:
17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.
19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
KJV

Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

Here we have a positive statement that Jesus was raised ON THE THIRD DAY.

As we look at what follows we see Paul making a case against those who denied the resurrection from the dead.

5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.
7 After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.
8 And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.

Witnesses to the resurrection

12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?
13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:
14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.
15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.
16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:
17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.
19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.

Philosophical reasons why the resurrection is essential

20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

THIS IS A POSITIVE ASSERTION OF THE RESURRECTION concluding Paul's argument

Ascribing it to the Ascension doesn't fit the context.

Everybody comes back at me with this third day. In fact, they say it can't be after the third day. My timeline put the resurrection exactly on the third day. I don't get what you are trying to contradict with all these scriptures that I agree with. There is no stand alone verse, I gave 2 verses paused and gave the following verse. It is in context.

Wednesday sundown to Thursday sundown = day 1
Thursday sundown to Friday sundown = day 2
Friday sundown to Saturday sundown = day 3

Resurrection Saturday sundown.

Shamah · Mar 25, 2018

Sacrificed Wed as the Passover Lamb, 3days and 3 nights in the grave, resurrects Sabath just before sundown, presents Himself to YHWH as the Firstfruit.

Hizikyah said:

When was the Messiah put in the grave? and when did He resurrect? I would like to use Scripture to show the timeline. Anyone who agrees or disagrees is welcome to give your view, I ask that Scripture is also used to supplement it. Thank you!

2 Timothy 2:15, “Study to show yourself approved to YHWH: a workman who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.”

1 Thessalonians 5:21, “Prove all things; hold fast that which is righteous.”

Hosea 4:6, “My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Because you have rejected knowledge, I will also reject you, that you will be no priest to Me..”

There are many things we are told that we willingly accept without studying to see if they are true or not. The apostle Paul told us to do our homework and YHWH told us if we do not do our homework we will get destruction. Scripture is Scripture and truth is truth. Today I want to focus on a very simple truth that nearly the whole world has got very, very wrong.

When was the Messiah put in the grave? and when did He resurrect?

Now most people already are thinking “I know the answer to this I don’t need to study this.” If you think this you may be the person this was meant for. So the first thing we must understand is what makes up a day. A day is a 24 hour period, but it is not midnight to midnight. That is the Gregorian (Roman) calendar that has only been in use since 1582, enacted by Pope Gregory XIII and was a reform of the Julian calendar. It is based on solar cycles and has its origins in Greek, Egyptian, and Babylonian history; all these are in opposition to YHWH and His calendar. To understand what a day consists of according to the Creator of all that is, we need to look at a few verses;

Berĕshith/Genesis 1:5, " And Yah called the light ‘day’ and the darkness He called ‘night.’ And there came to be evening and there came to be morning, the first day."

Exodus 12:18, "In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month, in the evening, you shall eat unleavened bread until the twenty-first day of the month in the evening."

Leviticus 23:32, "It is a Sabbath of rest to you, and you shall afflict your beings. On the ninth day of the month at evening, from evening to evening, you observe your Sabbath.”

"evening" is word # H6153. ereb - Strong's Concordance: ereb: evening, Original Word: עָ֫רֶב, Part of Speech: Noun Masculine, Transliteration: ereb, Phonetic Spelling: (eh'-reb), Short Definition: evening

Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar) -
1) evening, night, sunset, 1a) evening, sunset, 1b) night
By the Creator’s calendar the days begin and end when the sun goes down, not at “12 midnight.” Thus 1 day is sunset to sunset. An interesting side note is the day “April fools,” this day got its name in France, there were people who still kept the Creator’s calendar and not the Roman calendar. The Creator’s year starts and ends around April (not what we call New Year’s Eve, which is actually Saturnalia, the pagan worship of Saturn), so the people who still kept the true calendar were called fools, and eventually this turned into April Fools Day, how nice?) So I know the Creator’s calendar takes a little getting used to, as we have kept a different calendar all our lives. But this is the first step to understand when the Messiah was put in the grave and when He resurrected. I am going to use the illustrations below to depict YHWH’s days; first night, then day.

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Leviticus 23:32, "It is a Sabbath of rest to you, and you shall afflict your beings. On the ninth day of the month at evening, from evening to evening, you observe your Sabbath.”

Now there is a rabbinical/Pharisaic teaching that says any part of a day can be reckoned as a day. Fist off this is not based in Scripture but made up by man, the same types that Yahshua/Jesus said rejected Yah for their own tradition;

Mat 15:2-3, "Why do Your disciples transgress the traditions of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat. But He answered, and said to them; And why do you transgress the Laws of YHWH by your traditions?"

I find it odd that many Christians use the rabbinical/Pharisaic reckoning of a day to prove their Resurrection timeline as they were opponents of the Messiah and they were not based in Biblical truth but man made traditions. So again, according to YHWH Creator of the Heavens and Earth, a day is sunset to sunset. It is also worth pointing out that Yahshua/Jesus said;

Mat 12:40, “For as Yahnah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.”

Mat 12:39-40, “But He answering, said to them, “A wicked and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign shall be given to it except the sign of the prophet Yonah. For as Yonah was three days and three nights in the stomach of the great fish, so shall the Son of Aḏam be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.”

So it is the only sign of the true Messiah and He said, “three days and three nights” I don’t see how Yahshua could have gotten this wrong or used the rabbinical reckoning of a day when He spoke against nearly everything they did, especially their tradition that “nullified” the ways of the Creator. So with this in mind lets consider what is commonly accepted a “Good Friday to Easter Sunday” Resurrection;

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But there is one problem with this view that is most commonly taught, “Good Friday to Easter Sunday” resurrection, by the words of the Messiah Himself this can not be true;

Mat12:40, “For as Yahnah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.”

There is no possible way to get three days and three nights out of Friday to Sunday. It is 2 nights and one day at most. Most people, myself included are so used to the Roman calendar that it is hard to understand the Creator’s calendar and so it is confusing. I had to go over it a few times to get it myself. For it to be three days and three nights the Messiah would have had to resurrect on Monday right before the sun went down, scripture shows us this did not happen that way either. So when one realizes that Fri-Sun is not possible, a few questions arise; Where does Easter Sunday come from? If the Messiah did not resurrect on Sunday, why are we told the Sabbath has been changed to Sunday, to honor the resurrection? But before we get to that, lets study this out.

Noose · Mar 25, 2018

Bladerunner said:

But John puts the crucifixion at the 6th hour and other translations even say at noon. So, two time lines- one which has the morning start at 3am and the other which has the morning start at 6am. I know the Jewish system started the morning at 3am because their evening sacrifice was at around 3pm, and Jesus being the final sacrifice, died exactly at 3pm.

Shamah · Mar 25, 2018

continued from last post

Hizikyah said:

John 13:1, “And before the Festival of the Passover, יהושע knowing that His hour had come that He should move out of this world unto the Father, having loved His own who were in the world, He loved them to the end.” TS 2009

John 13:1, “Now before the Feast of the Passover, when Jesus knew that his hour had come to depart out of this world to the Father, having loved his own who were in the world, he loved them to the end.” ESV

John 19:31, “Therefore, since it was the Preparation Day, that the bodies should not remain on the stake on the Sabbath – for that Sabbath was a high one – the Yehuḏim asked Pilate to have their legs broken, and that they be taken away.” TS 2009

John 19:31, “Therefore, because it was the Preparation Day, that the bodies should not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day)…” NKJV

John 19:31, ‘The Jews therefore, because it was the Preparation, that the bodies should not remain on the cross upon the sabbath (for the day of that sabbath was a high day)” ASV

John 19:31, ‘Since it was the day of Preparation, and so that the bodies would not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day)…” ESV

John 19:31, “Then the Jews, because it was the day of preparation, so that the bodies would not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day)…” NASU

Mark 15:42, “15:42, "And when evening had come, because it was the Preparation Day, that is, the day before the Sabbath.” TS 2009

Mark 15:42, "And when evening had come, since it was the day of Preparation, that is, the day before the Sabbath," ESV

Mark 15:42, "And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the Sabbath," RNKJV

Mark 15:42, "And now evening having come, seeing it was the preparation, that is, the fore-sabbath," YLT

Most people read this and say, “well Sabbath is Saturday, so this had to be Friday.” But notice the scriptures say “High Holy Day Sabbath” or “for that Sabbath was a high day”

What is a “High Holy Day Sabbath” or “for that Sabbath was a high day”?

Leviticus 23:24 & 32, “Speak to the children of Israyl, saying; In the Seventh Moon (or month), on the First (day) of the Moon, you shall have a Sabbath, a Memorial of Blowing of Trumpets; The Feast of Trumpets, a Holy Convocation.” 32, “It is to you a Sabbath of rest, and you shall afflict yourselves. On the Ninth (day) of the Moon at evening; at the setting of the sun, through the Tenth of the Moon at evening; at the setting of the sun, from evening until evening, you shall celebrate your Sabbath.”

These are the “High Holy Day Sabbath(s)” or “for that Sabbath was a high day(s)”, unlike weekly Sabbaths these Days can fall on any day of the week, where the weekly Sabbath is on the 7th day only. So the day Yahshua got sacrificed was the day before a Sabbath Day, and Scripture clearly shows us it was a High Sabbath and because High Sabbaths can fall on any day, this shows us that it did not have to be a Friday when Yahshua was Sacrificed. We don’t know the day of the week but we do know it was “”

However this in itself does not tell us what day it is or is not. So we must continue.

John 19:14, "And it was the Preparation Day of the Pĕsaḥ week, and about the sixth hour. And he said to the Yehuḏim, “See your Sovereign!” TS 2009

John 19:14, “And it was the preparation of the passover, and as it were the sixth hour, and he saith to the Jews, 'Lo, your king!‘ YLT

John 19:14, “And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!” KJV

John 19:14, “It was the day of Preparation of Passover Week, about the sixth hour. "Here is your king," Pilate said to the Jews.”
NIV

John 19:14, “Now it was the day of Preparation for the Passover, and it was about the sixth hour (about twelve o'clock noon). He said to the Jews, See, [here is] your King!” AMP

John 19:14-18, “And it was the Preparation Day of the Pĕsaḥ week, and about the sixth hour. And he said to the Yehuḏim, “See your Sovereign! But they shouted, “Away, away, impale Him!” Pilate said to them, “Shall I impale your Sovereign?” The chief priests answered, “We have no sovereign except Caesar! At that time, then, he delivered Him to them to be impaled. And they took יהושע and led Him away. And bearing His stake, He went out to the so-called Place of a Skull, which is called in Hebrew, Golgotha, where they impaled Him, and two others with Him, one on this side and one on that side, and יהושע in the middle.” TS 2009

John 19:14-18, “Now it was the day of Preparation of the Passover. It was about the sixth hour. He said to the Jews, “Behold your King! They cried out, “Away with him, away with him, crucify him!” Pilate said to them, “Shall I crucify your King?” The chief priests answered, “We have no king but Caesar. So he delivered him over to them to be crucified. So they took Jesus, and he went out, bearing his own cross, to the place called The Place of a Skull, which in Aramaic is called Golgotha. There they crucified him, and with him two others, one on either side, and Jesus between them.” ESV

John 13:1, “Andbefore the Festival of the Passover, יהושע knowing that His hour had come that He should move out of this world unto the Father, having loved His own who were in the world, He loved them to the end.” TS 2009

John 13:1, “Now before the Feast of the Passover, when Jesus knew that his hour had come to depart out of this world to the Father, having loved his own who were in the world, he loved them to the end.” ESV

So according to Scripture Yahshua was sacrificed the day before Passover and that “Preparation Day” is the day the Passover Lamb (aka Yahshua) was to be killed;

Leviticus 23:5, “On the Fourteenth of the First Moon, between the two evenings, YHWH's Passover Sacrifice is to be killed.”

That day is the 14th of the first moon or first month, and that is according to YHWH’s calendar not the world’s calendar. The 14th of the first moon or month falls on a different day of the week each year. It is based on the sighting of the new moon so there is no way to make a calendar before, one must wait until the sighting of the new moon.

Mat 27:46-50, “And about the ninth hour (3pm)יהושע cried out with a loud voice, saying, “Yli, Yli, lemah sheḇaqtani?” that is, “My Strength, My Strength, why have You forsaken Me? Some of those standing there, having heard, said, “This One calls Yliyahu! And immediately one of them ran and took a sponge, and filled it with sour wine and put it on a reed, and gave it to Him to drink. But the rest said, “Leave it, let us see if Ĕliyahu comes to save Him. And יהושע cried out again with a loud voice, and gave up His spirit.”

Mark 15:34, “And at the ninth hour (3pm) יהושע cried out with a loud voice, saying, “Yli, Yli, lamah sheḇaqtani?” which is translated, “My Strength, My Strength, why have You forsaken Me?”

Luke 23:44-46, “And it was now about the sixth hour (12noon), and darkness came over all the land, until the ninth hour (3pm). And the sun was darkened, and the veil of the Dwelling Place was torn in two. And crying out with a loud voice, יהושע said, “Father, into Your hands I commit My spirit.” And having said this, He breathed His last.”

Mattithyah12:40, “For as Yahnah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.”

John 19:14-15, “And it was the Preparation Day of the Passover week, and about the sixth hour. And he said to the Yehuḏim, “See your Sovereign! But they shouted, “Away, away, impale Him!” Pilate said to them, “Shall I impale your Sovereign?” The chief priests answered, “We have no sovereign except Caesar!”

John 19:31, “Therefore, since it was the Preparation Day, that the bodies should not remain on the stake on the Sabbath – for that Sabbath was a high one – the Yehuḏim asked Pilate to have their legs broken, and that they be taken away.”

Luke 23:52-54, "he, going to Pilate, asked for the body of יהושע. Then he took it down, wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a tomb that was hewn out of the rock, where no one had ever lain before. That day was the Preparation, and the Sabbath drew near."

So by this time Yahshua has been Sacrificed, His body wrapped and taken to the tomb, yet it is still not yet sundown, but “That day was the Preparation, and the Sabbath drew near” and remember it is not the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] day weekly Sabbath;

John 19:31, “Therefore, since it was the Preparation Day, that the bodies should not remain on the stake on the Sabbath – for that Sabbath was a high one...”

John 19:42, “There, then, because of the Preparation Day of the Yehuḏim, they laid יהושע, because the tomb was near.”

Mat 27:59-66, “And having taken the body, Yosĕph wrapped it in clean linen, and laid it in his new tomb which he had hewn out of the rock. And he rolled a large stone against the door of the tomb, and went away. And Miryam from Maḡdala was there, and the other Miryam, sitting opposite the tomb. On the next day, which was after the preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees gathered together to Pilate, saying, “Master, we remember, while He was still alive, how that deceiver said, ‘After three days I am raised. Command, then, that the tomb be safeguarded until the third day, lest His taught ones come by night and steal Him away, and should say to the people, ‘He was raised from the dead.’ And the last deception shall be worse than the first. So Pilate said to them, “You have a watch, go, safeguard it as you know how. And they went and safeguarded the tomb, sealing the stone and setting the watch.”

So it is the day after the Preparation (High Sabbath) and the chief priests and Pharisees asked Pilate, saying, “Master, we remember, while He was still alive, how that deceiver said, ‘After three days I am raised. Command, then, that the tomb be safeguarded until the third day.”

Mark 16:1, "And when the Sabbath was past, Miryam from Maḡdala, and Miryam the mother of Ya‛aqoḇ, and Shelomah bought spices, to go and anoint Him."

Luke 23:56, “And having returned, they prepared spices and perfumes. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the command.”

The women prepare “spices and perfumes” and “rested on the Sabbath according to the command”

Mark 16:1-2, “And when the Sabbath was past, Miryam from Maḡdala, and Miryam the mother of Ya‛aqoḇ, and Shelomah bought spices, to go and anoint Him. And very early on the first day of the week, they came to the tomb when the sun had risen.”

Here we see the women going to His tomb after the Sabbath day, this is the weekly 7[SUP]th[/SUP] day Sabbath, as there is no distinction that it is a High Sabbath and it also say they arrived “very early on the first day of the week” (Sunday).

Mat 12:40, “For as Yahnah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.”

Luke 24:1, “And on the first day of the week, at early dawn, they came to the tomb, bringing the spices which they had prepared.”

John 20:1, “And on the first day of the week Miryam from Maḡdala came early to the tomb, while it was still dark, and saw that the stone had been removed from the tomb.”

So remember the Creator’s days do not start and end at 12 midnight, but sundown, so the weekly Sabbath (Friday sundown to Saturday sundown) was over they arrived “on the first day of the week” “while it was still dark, and saw that the stone had been removed from the tomb” So when the sun goes down on the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] day they go to sleep, wake up early and go to the tomb to find that Yahshua is already gone. So if He was put in the tomb before sundown on the Preparation Day. Was in the tomb three days and three nights, as He said was the only true sign of the Messiah. The women show up on the 1[SUP]st[/SUP] day of the week before sunrise and He is already gone. We have to calculate three days and three nights, sundown to sundown from the time He was Sacrificed and the put in the tomb; before sundown on the Preparation Day.

Luke 23:53, “And taking it down, he wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a tomb hewn out of the rock, where no one was yet laid. And it was Preparation day, and the Sabbath was approaching.”

The day after the Preparation day, the day that the Passover Sacrifice (Yahshua) is to be killed, is the first day of “the Festival of Unleavened Bread” and this is a rest day; “On the first day you have a set-apart gathering, you do no servile work”

Leviticus 23:5-7, “On the Fourteenth of the First Moon, between the two evenings, YHWH's Passover Sacrifice is to be killed. And on the fifteenth day of this new moon is the Festival of Unleavened Bread to יהוה – seven days you eat unleavened bread. On the first day you have a set-apart gathering, you do no servile work.”

When we consider all the Scriptural facts, I know it is a lot, but when we include all of the proof. Including His statement of 3 days and 3 nights, the Creator’s way, not measured by rabbinic or pharisee calculation; We have Yahshua Sacrificed on the Preparation Day and placed in the tomb before sundown, a rest day on the first Day of Unleavened Bread (1st full day sundown to sundown), the second full day (2nd full day sundown to sundown), then the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] day weekly Sabbath (3rd full day sundown to sundown). We are only left with one possibility;

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MarcR · Mar 25, 2018

Deade said:

Jesus was talking with Mary saying he had not ascended to His Father yet: John 20:16-18: “Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master. Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the Lord, and that he had spoken these things unto her.”

In John 20:17, the words translated touch me not actually mean STOP CLINGING TO ME or Don't cling to me.

From Thayer's Greek/English Lexicon

The ascension would not occur until 39 days later.

Acts 1:1-9
The former treatise have I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach,
2 Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:
3 To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:
4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.
5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
KJV

There is nothing to suggest he ascended twice!

Shamah · Mar 25, 2018

http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...-messiah-put-grave-when-did-he-resurrect.html

Hizikyah said:

This is three days and three nights exactly. This is the timeline of Yahshua’s sacrifice and resurrection. It is very simple to understand but our minds have been bombarded with so many lies the truth seems to have been lost from most believers. If you are reading this it may be that you are one that is to be pulled out of mystery Babylon by YHWH. Also if this information is new to you, I have to respectfully say you need to do much study as if you were misled on something this basic what else have you been misled about. I also want to firmly say anyone (pastor, preacher, etc.) who teaches Good Friday to Easter Sunday is not teaching YHWH’s truth, but is teaching lies, and we know who lies come from.

Mat 12:39-40, “But He answering, said to them, “A wicked and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign shall be given to it except the sign of the prophet Yonah. For as Yonah was three days and three nights in the stomach of the great fish, so shall the Son of Aḏam be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.”

John 13:1, “And before the Festival of the Passover, יהושע knowing that His hour had come that He should move out of this world unto the Father, having loved His own who were in the world, He loved them to the end.”

Leviticus 23:5, “On the Fourteenth of the First Moon, between the two evenings, YHWH's Passover Sacrifice is to be killed.”

1 Corinthians 5:7-8, “Therefore, purge out the old leaven, that you may be a new batch, since you are unleavened. For truly Yahshua our Passover was sacrificed for us. Therefore, let us keep the Feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.”

John 20:17, "יהושע said to her, “Do not touch Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father. But go to My brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My Strength and your Strength.”

Why is it when Mary/Miryam tries to touch Yahshua He says: “Do not touch Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father”

John 20:18, "Miryam from Maḡdala came announcing to the taught ones that she had seen the Master, and that He had told her this."

Then Miryam leaves Yahshua and goes and tells the disciples what happened, leaving Yahshua alone.

John 20:24-27, "But T’oma (Thomas), called the Twin, one of the twelve, was not with them when יהושע came, so the other disciples said to him, “We have seen the Master.” But he said to them, “Unless I see in His hands the mark of the nails, and put my finger into the imprint of the nails, and put my hand into His side, I shall by no means believe. And after eight days His taught ones were again inside, and T’oma with them. יהושע came, the doors having been shut, and He stood in the midst, and said, “Peace to you! Then He said to T’oma, “Bring your finger here, and see My hands. And bring your hand and put it into My side – and do not be unbelieving, but believing.”

Here, eight days later, He tells T’oma to touch Him, but when Miryam tried to touch Him He did not allow her. Why could Miriam not touch Him but Thomas could? What happened between this time period of these 2 incidents?

The reason for this is understood in something called the Fest of Firstfruits. It is one of the Moadim or Feast Days of YHWH. In which the entire woks of Messiah from His Sacrifice and Resurrection to His return as the conquering Lion and Rulership over all is laid out in perfect prophetic shadow pictures.

1 Corinthians 15:20-23, “But now Messiah has been raised from the dead, and has become the first-fruit of those having fallen asleep. For since death is through a man, resurrection of the dead is also through a Man. For as all die in Aḏam, so also all shall be made alive in Messiah . And each in his own order: Messiah the first-fruits, then those who are of Messiah at His coming,”

“first-fruits” is word #G536 - ἀπαρχή aparche: the beginning of a sacrifice, i.e. the first fruit, Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine - Transliteration: aparché - Phonetic Spelling: (ap-ar-khay') - Short Definition: the first-fruits, Definition: the first-fruits, the earliest crop of the year, hence also met., for example, of the earliest converts in a district; there is evidence in favor of rendering in some passages merely by: sacrifice, gift.

Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) to offer firstlings or firstfruits, 2) to take away the firstfruits of the productions of the earth which was offered to God. The first portion of the dough, from which sacred loaves were to be prepared. Hence term used of persons consecrated to God for all time, 3) persons superior in excellence to others of the same class

Leviticus 23:10-11, “to the children of Yisra’ĕl, and you shall say to them, ‘When you come into the land which I give you, and shall reap its harvest, then you shall bring a sheaf of the first-fruits of your harvest to the priest. And he shall wave the sheaf before יהוה, for your acceptance. On the morrow after the Sabbath the priest waves it."

In the Fest of First-Fruits the Priest “On the morrow after the Sabbath the priest waves it”

That is why when the women came to the tomb;

John 20:1, “And on the first day of the week Miryam from Maḡdala came early to the tomb, while it was still dark, and saw that the stone had been removed from the tomb.”

Yahshua did not let Himself be touched;

John 20:17, "יהושע said to her, “Do not touch Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father. But go to My brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My Strength and your Strength.”

He had not yet ascended to YHWH to present Himself as the First-Fruits to YHWH;

Leviticus 23:10-11, “...the first-fruits of your harvest to the priest. And he shall wave the sheaf before יהוה, for your acceptance...”

Ephesians 4:9-10, “But what does “He went up” mean, except that He also first went down into the lower parts of the earth? He who went down is also the One who went up far above all the heavens, to fill all.”

John 3:10-13, "יהושע answered and said to him, “Are you the teacher of Yisra’yl, and do not know this? Truly, truly, I say to you, We speak what We know and witness what We have seen, and you do not receive Our witness. If you do not believe when I spoke to you about earthly matters, how are you going to believe when I speak to you about the heavenly matters? And no one has gone up into the heaven except He who came down from the heaven – the Son of Aḏam.”

Colossians 1:15, "He is the image of the invisible Father, the firstborn of all creation."

Colossians 1:18, "For He is the Head of the body, the called out ones, Who is the beginning of the firstborn from the dead, so that in all things He may have the pre-eminence."

Revelation 1:5, "And from Yahshua Messiah, the faithful witness, and the firstborn from the dead, and the Ruler of future kings of the earth. To Him Who loved us and freed us from our sins by His own blood."

Leviticus 23:17, “Bring from your dwellings for a wave offering two loaves of bread, of two-tenths of an ĕphah of fine flour they are, baked with leaven, first-fruits to יהוה.”

“first-fruits” is word #H1061 בִּכּוּר bikkuwr (bik-koor') n-m., the first-fruits of the crop., [from H1069], KJV: first fruit (-ripe (figuratively)), hasty fruit., Root(s): H1069

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Bladerunner · Mar 25, 2018

Adstar said:

You are right.....While Jesus may have been crucified at 9 AM (third Hour) It was just before 6PM of the same day that he was Buried. Thus on Wednesday at 6PM, the new day begins (thursday or day 1 in this case)and end on Thursday 5:59PM. At 6PM Thursday---Friday(day 2) began and lasted until 5:59PM on Friday. On Friday at 6PM, Saturaday (the Sabbath and Day 3)began and lasted until 5:59PM on Saturday. On Saturday at 6PM began Sunday (Day 4, Day of First Fruits) and ended on Sunday evening at 5:59Pm.

The bottom line is the argument of the timing of the time Jesus spent within the Earth. as Jesus referred to Jonah, who spent 3 days and 3 Nights in the Belly of the fish as the amount of time he(Jesus) would spend in the grave.

Deade · Mar 25, 2018

MarcR said:

Jesus was talking with Mary saying he had not ascended to His Father yet: John 20:16-18: “Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master. Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the Lord, and that he had spoken these things unto her.”

In John 20:17, the words translated touch me not actually mean STOP CLINGING TO ME or Don't cling to me.

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From Thayer's Greek/English Lexicon

The ascension would not occur until 39 days later.

Acts 1:1-9
The former treatise have I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach,
2 Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:
3 To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:
4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.
5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
KJV

There is nothing to suggest he ascended twice!

MarcR, please read Shamah post #31. It explains the first fruits in the language you understand: as an ascending offering.

John 20:17: "Jesus G2424 saith G3004 unto her,G846 Touch G680 me G3450 not;G3361 for G1063 I am not yet G3768 scended G305 to G4314 my G3450 Father:G3962 but G1161 go G4198 to G4314 my G3450 brethren, G80 and G2532 say G2036 unto them, G846 I ascend G305 unto G4314 my G3450 Father, G3962 and G2532 your G5216 Father;"

touch - G680

Deade · Mar 25, 2018

MarcR, please read Shamah post #31. It explains the first fruits in the language, I'm you understand: as an ascending offering. That yells of ascension was the was to to equate to the first fruits fevtival.

touch - G680
G680
ἅπτομαι
haptomai
hap'-tom-ahee
Reflexive of G681; properly to attach oneself to, that is, to touch (in many implied relations): - touch.

Johnny_B · Mar 25, 2018

WebersHome said:

If you interpret Matthew 12:40 as being in the Tomb, no day works, if it's Friday you get a day and a half, Thursday 2 and a half, Wendesday 3 and a half. Jesus taught that He would suffer, die and raise on the third day which was all of what Isaiah prophesied 53:4-9

“Surely he has borne our griefs and carried our sorrows;yet we esteemed him stricken, smitten by God, and afflicted.5 But he was pierced for our transgressions;he was crushed for our iniquities; upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace,and with his wounds we are healed.6 All we like sheep have gone astray;we have turned—every one—to his own way; and the Lord has laid on himthe iniquity of us all.7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted,yet he opened not his mouth; like a lamb that is led to the slaughter,and like a sheep that before its shearers is silent,so he opened not his mouth.8 By oppression and judgment he was taken away;and as for his generation, who considered that he was cut off out of the land of the living,stricken for the transgression of my people?9 And they made his grave with the wicked and with a rich man in his death, although he had done no violence,and there was no deceit in his mouth.”

Jesus' first teaching on His fulfillment of Isaiah 53, Matthew 16:21 “From that time Jesus began to show to His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised the third day.”

Mark 8:31, 9:12 “And He began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things, and be rejected by the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again...........

9:12 Then He answered and told them, “Indeed, Elijah is coming first and restores all things. And how is it written concerning the Son of Man, that He must suffer many things and be treated with contempt?”

Luke 9:22 “saying, “The Son of Man must suffer many things, and be rejected by the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised the third day.”

Luke 17:24-25 “For as the lightning that flashes out of one part under heaven shines to the other part under heaven, so also the Son of Man will be in His day.25 But first He must suffer many things and be rejected by this generation.”

Jesus never taught that He would be in the Tomb for three days and three nights, He did say in Matthew 12:40 that His suffering, death and resurrection would be three days and nights or 72 hours. If you go from that teaching His suffering started when Peter denied Him.

Luke 22:60-65 “But Peter said, “Man, I do not know what you are saying!” Immediately, while he was still speaking, the rooster crowed.61 And the Lord turned and looked at Peter. Then Peter remembered the word of the Lord, how He had said to him, “Before the rooster crows, you will deny Me three times.”62 So Peter went out and wept bitterly.

63Now the men who held Jesus mocked Him and beat Him.64 And having blindfolded Him, they struck Him on the face and asked Him saying, “Prophesy! Who is the one who struck You?”65 And many other things they blasphemously spoke against Him.”

The fulfillment of the mocking, scourging, mocking, stricking, being spit on and many things from the chief priests, elders, scribes and Pharasees.

Matthew 20:18-19 “Behold, we are going up to Jerusalem, and the Son of Man will be betrayed to the chief priests and to the scribes; and they will condemn Him to death,19 and deliver Him to the Gentiles to mock and to scourge and to crucify. And the third day He will rise again.”

Mark 15:19-20 “Then they struck Him on the head with a reed and spat on Him; and bowing the knee, they worshiped Him. 20 And when they had mocked Him, they took the purple off Him, put His own clothes on Him, and led Him out to crucify Him.”

Mark 15:31-32 “Likewise the chief priests also, mocking among themselves with the scribes, said, “He saved others; Himself He cannot save. 32 Let the Christ, the King of Israel, descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe.”

Luke 22:63-64 “Now the men who held Jesus mocked Him and beat Him.64 And having blindfolded Him, they struck Him on the face and asked Him, saying, “Prophesy! Who is the one who struck You?”

Luke 23:10-11 “And the chief priests and scribes stood and vehemently accused Him.11 Then Herod, with his men of war, treated Him with contempt and mocked Him, arrayed Him in a gorgeous robe, and sent Him back to Pilate.”

John 19:1-3 “So then Pilate took Jesus and scourged Him.2 And the soldiers twisted a crown of thorns and put it on His head, and they put on Him a purple robe.3 Then they said, “Hail, King of the Jews!” And they struck Him with their hands.”

With Luke 22 being the starting of what Jesus taught His disciples and what Isaiah prophesied about the suffering Messiah. The rooster crowing happens at around 6:00 A.M. and the women coming to the Tomb at dawn or 6:00 A.M. Thrusday crucifixion would fit that best with the teaching of the Christ suffering many thing, being killed and raising on the third day or 72 hours. There are other Scriptures that show a Thrusday as well.

FlyingDove · Mar 25, 2018

On Nisan 10 a Passover Lamb is chosen (Ex 12).

It is inspected for any blemish until Nisan 14. When the actual sacrifice is made (Lev 23:5)

Approximate Nisan 14 timeline:
Nisan 14 began at sundown. Jesus eats his last supper with his chosen 12 (7-9pm). They go the Garden of Gethsemane & Jesus prays (9pm -midnight) He is arrested (midnight) the Priests accuse, abuse & condemn Him (midnight-6am). Hes taken to Pilate questioned, abused, scourged & sentenced to death (6am til 8am). Nailed to the cross (9am) suffers til & dies at (3pm) all on Nisan 14.

It was on Nisan 10 (Palm Sunday) That Jesus the Christ (God's chosen Lamb) entered the city gates. Jesus was inspected for blemishes by the pharisees the sadducees (Mk 12

And proved to be faultless/without blemish.

Thursday evening (Nisan 14) at sundown (7pm day begins) Jesus shares His last meal with His disciples.

After supper, Jesus & his disciples go to the Garden of Gethsemane (9 pm) Jesus prays.

Jesus is then arrested (12 am) and brought to the Priests. They falsely accuse & abuse Him til (6am)

They take Him to Pontius Pilate (6am). Jesus is beaten, mocked & scourged. Jesus is forced to carry His Cross through the streets. He's nailed to the cross (9am) and suffers in agony for hours. At 3pm proclaims; It is Finished, and dies.

Temple tradition. At early lite on Nisan 14 the sinless chosen lamb was marched up the ramp into the Temple.

Early am on Nisan 14 God's sinless Lamb/Christ was carring his cross, marching up the hill to Calvary.

At 9am on Nisan 14 the Temple Priest tied the lamb to a stake to be sacrificed. And the shofar (rams horn/trump) is blown. So all the people knew the lamb is prepared to be sacrificed.

At 9am on Nisan 14 Jesus the Lamb of God is tied and nailed to the cross.
Mark 15:25 And it was the third hour, and they crucified him.

At 12 noon darkness covers the whole earth. As Jesus is being prepared to die & atone for the sins of ALL mankind. Remember, Jesus was born at midnite, the Wise men followed the ""STAR"" of Bethlehem. And the night shined like daytime, at Christ's death the day ws covered in darkness.

At 3pm on Nisan 14 the Temple Priest brings a sharp knife and kills the sinless lamb. The shofar (rams horn/trump) is blown. So, all the people know the lamb as been sacrificed.

At 3pm on Nisan 14 Jesus Christ hears the Temple trump and in a loud voice. Proclaims: IT IS FINISHED! (MARK 15:25-37) and dies.

Next, as Jesus passes through the Temple Veil, a great earthquake happens & the Veil is torn in 1/2. (Matt 27:51) Old covenant levitical priesthood sacrifical system ends.

1 Corinthians 5:7 (B) For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

New Testament/Covenant Ordinance Invoked on Nisan 14 by Christ himself. He gave bread & wine (Gen 14:18), to his followers And told them to do this in rememberance of Christ's sin atoning sacrifice.

Luke 22:17 Jesus took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, Take this, and divide it among yourselves:

19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this ""do in remembrance of me""

20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, ""This cup is the new testament in my blood"" which is shed for you. Also see Matt 26:26-28 & 1 Cor 11:24-27.

(Read Ex 12: vs 8 & 15, its clear the bread is unleanened. A shadow of a SINLESS Christ's sacrifice)

John 6:53 Jesus said, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood; """ye have NO LIFE in you""".

Jesus redemptive sacrifical sin atonment, fulfilled the laws required payment/wage for sin, death (Rom 6:23).

Anyone that places their faith in the redemptive sin atoning sacrifice. Found in the Death (sins wage, paid in full), Burial & Resurrection (God's receipt, payment received) Receives a full pardon of "ALL" thier sins, Past-Present-Future

WebersHome · Mar 25, 2018

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● Matt 12:40 . . For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of
a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the
heart of the earth.

Any child able to do simple arithmetic on the fingers of one hand can
instantly deduce that Good Friday doesn't fit Matt 12:40 because there just
isn't enough nights between Friday and Sunday-- there's only two; Jesus'
prediction calls for three.

The Good Friday model fails because it neglects to take into consideration
one of the two sabbaths during the week that Jesus was crucified.

There are more sabbaths in the Bible besides the usual seventh day. For
example:

Yom Kippur (Lev 23:32)
Feast of Trumpets (Lev 23:23-25)
Feast of Unleavened Bread; a,k.a. Passover. (Ex 12:16, Lev 23:5-8)

Passover sabbath is interesting. The usual sabbath always falls on the very
same day of the week every time. But Passover sabbath floats because the
feast of Unleavened Bread is keyed to the lunar cycle; hence Passover
sabbath can, and it does, occur on any given day of the week; sometimes
even coincident with the usual sabbath; for example 2018, and sometimes
consecutive with the usual sabbath; for example 2008.

● John 19:31 . . Now since it was preparation day, in order that the bodies
might not remain on the cross on the sabbath-- for the sabbath day of that
week was a solemn one --the Jews asked Pilate that their legs be broken
and they be taken down.

The solemn sabbath that John mentioned is the Passover sabbath. It was
consecutive with the regular sabbath that year. As a result the Jews had to
observe two sabbaths in a row.

Weaving the Passover sabbath into the chronology of Matt 12:40 in order to
obtain a third night is actually fairly easy once you're made aware of it. But
be forewarned; there are a number of Good Friday's resolute defenders who
refuse to allow the solemn sabbath to be other than the usual sabbath; and
they've concocted some very convincing sophistry to support their view; by
doing so the they've chained themselves to a model that cannot, by any
sensible stretch of the imagination, produce a third night.

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MarcR · Mar 25, 2018

Deade said:

Everybody comes back at me with this third day. In fact, they say it can't be after the third day. My timeline put the resurrection exactly on the third day. I don't get what you are trying to contradict with all these scriptures that I agree with. There is no stand alone verse, I gave 2 verses paused and gave the following verse. It is in context.

Wednesday sundown to Thursday sundown = day 1
Thursday sundown to Friday sundown = day 2
Friday sundown to Saturday sundown = day 3

Resurrection Saturday sundown.

Sundown Saturday starts the fourth day on your timeline.

WebersHome · Mar 25, 2018

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Deade's timeline in post #44 won't work because it has Jesus coming back
to life after three full nights and three full days are over and done with. The
preponderance of scriptural evidence attests that he rose from the dead on
the third day rather than on a fourth night.
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● Matt 17:22-23 . . Jesus said unto them: The Son of man shall be betrayed
into the hands of men: and they shall kill him, and the third day he shall be
raised again.

● Mark 9:31 . . He taught his disciples, and said unto them: The Son of man
is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he
is killed, he shall rise the third day.

● Luke 24:21-23 . .We trusted that it had been he which should have
redeemed Israel: and beside all this, today is the third day since these
things were done. Yea, and certain women also of our company made us
astonished, which were early at the sepulcher; and when they found not his
body, they came, saying, that they had also seen a vision of angels, which
said that he was alive.

● Luke 24:46 . . He said unto them: Thus it is written, and thus it behoved
Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day

● Acts 10:40 . . God raised him up the third day

● 1Cor 15:4 . . he rose again the third day

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Bladerunner · Mar 25, 2018

Noose said:

No not really....there are two twelve hour time periods.... The evening (6Pm to 6AM) and the Morning (6AM to 6 PM). For example the 3rd hour in the morning is 3 + 6AM...9AM or 3rd Hour in the evening is 3 + 6PM = 9 Pm.

Bladerunner · Mar 25, 2018

Deade said:

How about a few Quotes from JEsus (KJV)

Mat 27:63..."Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again."

Mar 8:31..."And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again."

Enoch987 · Mar 26, 2018

Waggles said:

1556 years until Noah begat plus 390 years until Abram is born plus 75 until Abram receives the promise plus 430 years until the Exodus plus 45 years to conquer the Promised Land (Caleb, Joshua 14:10) plus 450 years of Judges (Acts 13:20) plus 513 years of kings of Judah plus 70 years exile plus 483 years until the Messiah is cut off equals 3912 years from Adam to Messiah cut off.
3912 years minus (1556 years when Noah begat and 390 plus 75 and 430) equals 1461 years since Moses.

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