Daniel 11:37, The Future Antichrist Will Be A Jew/Hebrew In Decent

[Dino246]

The four beasts in Daniel 7 are the four kingdoms in Daniel 2. Daniel 8 explains some details about the second and third kingdoms: Media/Persia and Greece, respectively, as stated in verses 20-21. Additional detail is given in Daniel 11.

Nothing in Daniel supports the idea of any time lag between the kingdoms. Babylon was conquered in a single night by Media/Persia, which was conquered by Greece under Alexander. Greece in turn was conquered and essentially absorbed by Rome.

 

[OrphanedRepublican]

Yeah still eating and growing as far as the text goes...there's a passage that mentions dying at 100 will be considered young.

Also recall that the transformed Messiah ate with His disciples.

...I suppose - if we consider that the end is told from the beginning - when eden is restored that eating animals may also be reversed? But I'm just guessing at this point.

We won't be dying at 100?

 

[Truth7t7]

Yeah still eating and growing as far as the text goes...there's a passage that mentions dying at 100 will be considered young.

Also recall that the transformed Messiah ate with His disciples.

...I suppose - if we consider that the end is told from the beginning - when eden is restored that eating animals may also be reversed? But I'm just guessing at this point.

It talks about fish, fishermen, and fishing nets, in the Eternal New Heaven and Earth?

I'm in on that, I love to fish!

Ezekiel 47:9-10KJV
9 And it shall come to pass, that every thing that liveth, which moveth, whithersoever the rivers shall come, shall live: and there shall be a very great multitude of fish, because these waters shall come thither: for they shall be healed; and every thing shall live whither the river cometh.
10 And it shall come to pass, that the fishers shall stand upon it from Engedi even unto Eneglaim; they shall be a place to spread forth nets; their fish shall be according to their kinds, as the fish of the great sea, exceeding many.

 

[Rondonmon]

I believe that from reading your blog, which I was very impressed with. I disagreed with you on a couple things, but we don't expect each other to be perfect.

Exactly, but if we get, many, many disagreements, like Mr T on here, you start wondering what's going on with the motor in the car.

That blog is what led me to Jason, without me doing that blog, I never would have discovered Antiochus THE TYPE Anti-Christ had a TYPE False Prophet (Jewish High Priest) under him named Jason (real name Yeshua). If you notice I mention him and his brother Onias III in passing vaguely, now I understand he was a TYPE False Prophet. This led me to understand that the 1290 is not the Anti-Christ and never could have been, he only Conquers at the 1260, thus the 1260 is 30 days after the 1290, thus the False Prophet is the 1290, not the Anti-Christ. This gives the Jews who repent 30 days to Flee Judea.

 

[OrphanedRepublican]

Exactly, but if we get, many, many disagreements, like Mr T on here, you start wondering what's going on with the motor in the car.

That blog is what led me to Jason, without me doing that blog, I never would have discovered Antiochus THE TYPE Anti-Christ had a TYPE False Prophet (Jewish High Priest) under him named Jason (real name Yeshua). If you notice I mention him and his brother Onias III in passing vaguely, now I understand he was a TYPE False Prophet. This led me to understand that the 1290 is not the Anti-Christ and never could have been, he only Conquers at the 1260, thus the 1260 is 30 days after the 1290, thus the False Prophet is the 1290, not the Anti-Christ. This gives the Jews who repent 30 days to Flee Judea.

You may understand this all, but it's over my head.
I disagreed with you about Michael, you still don't accept what the scriptures tell us about Michael.

As for the demon / King of Persia, I don't know anywhere in the scriptures there is a demon by that name mentioned. So, it looked to me like you're looking outside the scriptures and piecing things together perhaps correctly or perhaps incorrectly.

 

[OldSage]

You falsely suggest two people's of God, earthly (Jew) heavenly (Church) a false teaching known as Zionism's (Dual Covenant Theology) a teaching found no place in the scripture

Israel Is The Church, Children Of The Promised Seed

I am not sure how this is a reply.

Anyhow.....read this again in multiples

Isaiah 66: 22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain.

 

[OldSage]

It's evolving. I am pondering things you're adding and may be enlightened and learn something else.

Au contraire, I am pondering your ideas.

Isaiah 66
13 As one whom his mother comforteth, so will I comfort you; and ye shall be comforted in Jerusalem.

 

[OldSage]

It's evolving. I am pondering things you're adding and may be enlightened and learn something else.

But I think you have touched a nerve here OR.

Rachel weeping for her children, and would not be comforted,

Hebrews 12 15 lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you

When Israel was flattened by the Romans, it was really the culmination of years of skirmishes and resentment.
The whole point of the Babylonian captivity, and the subsequent states of colonization, were that they were corrective. It was God's corrective punishment on Israel, which Israel was to submit to.

Jeremiah 27:12 I spake also to Zedekiah king of Judah according to all these words, saying, Bring your necks under the yoke of the king of Babylon, and serve him and his people, and live.

Herod killing all the babies left a deep and unhealable scar...

 

[presidente]

As for the demon / King of Persia, I don't know anywhere in the scriptures there is a demon by that name mentioned. So, it looked to me like you're looking outside the scriptures and piecing things together perhaps correctly or perhaps incorrectly.

Daniel 10
12 Then he said to me, “Do not fear, Daniel, for from the first day that you set your heart to understand, and to humble yourself before your God, your words were heard; and I have come because of your words. 13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me twenty-one days; and behold, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, for I had been left alone there with the kings of Persia. 14 Now I have come to make you understand what will happen to your people in the latter days, for the vision refers to many days yet to days yet to come.”
(NKJV)

So we see that there is Michael, a prince, and the prince of the kingdom of Persia, a prince. So why wouldn't the two be the same type of 'prince'?

I understand the appeal of thinking of the preincarnate Christ as the head of the divine council, how thinking of 'the angel of the Lord' s referring to the divine, princarnate Christ, is an easy segue to trinitarian thinking. But here, Michael is one of the chief princes. it does not even say that He is the chief. To make him out to be the exclusive extension of and agent of the LORD in the divine council just does not seem to have sufficient support from this passage.

Also, prophets spoke in the first person for God. If we see angels doing it, why would that mean 'the angel of the Lord' who does so in a givine passage is divine?

 

[Rondonmon]

The 10 horns shall rise out of the fourth kingdom, all from the same kingdom, (Israel)

No, God uses the number 10 for COMPLETENESS, and 12 for FULLNESS, and 7 for COMPLETENESS. The number 7 always trumps 10 when used together, which is rare. The Hebrew language had like 4000 words and no vowels, so God used Numbers to relay messages also.

For instance, the 7 spirits and 7 eyes in Revelation simply refer to God seeing all and being everywhere, it's just that simple tbh. The number 10 is used as a COMPLETENESS Reference in many situations. In Rev. 2:10 the Church of Smyrna was told they would have TRIBULATION 10 Days but to endure to the end, and they would get a crown of life. The facts are the 10 here means for the COMPLETE Church Age period of time. The 10 Commandments represent ALL of God's Laws. The 10 Virgins represent the COMPLETE AMOUNT of Christendom, only 5 are going to be Raptured, so out of 2 billion Christians, only 50 percent are true Christians in heart. The ONE TAKEN and the ONE LEFT just so happen to be a 50 percent ratio also, SMALL WONDERS God is always spot on consistent.

The 144,000 are not 144,000 God takes TWO NUMBERS and gives us both COMPLETENESS and FULLNESS showing us that as Paul stated, ALL Israel will be saved, not every Jew, but Israel as a Nation is preserved and thus SAVED, as Paul quoted Isaiah in saying. Thus the 144,000 represent 12 (Fullness) x 12 x 10 (COMPLETENESS) x 10 x 10 = 144,000 that like a MEGAPHONE, this is ALL the Jews wh REPENT during the 70th week. Which Zechariah 13:8-9 says will be 1/3 of the Jews, thus 3-5 million Jews, why would Jesus set up in kingdom in Jerusalem with NO Jews?

So, 10 means COMPLETENESS. Thus one has to look at Daniel 2 and Daniel 7 in that light. Israel had no part in Rome or any of the other Beasts that ruled over them. If a Nation is Conquered, like Syria, that is not a part of the heart of the Leadership, Rome represents a Beast out of Europe, Persia and Babylon represents Beasts out of the Euphrates River Basin area, etc. They are the Kings of the East in Rev. 16, though they are just a token description alluding to their past prowess.

Thus in Daniel chapter 2 we see this BELOW:


Dan. 2:39 And after thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee, and another third kingdom of brass, which shall bear rule over all the earth(1). 40 And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise. 41 And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron(2), the kingdom shall be divided(2); but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.

42 And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken. 43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men(3): but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay. 44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom(4), which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

1.) Notice Gabriel tells Daniel that the brass kingdom (Greece) shall rule over ALL THE EARTH, and that is because THE EARTH being spoken of was in context basically to ALL THE LAND in which Daniel could comprehend. He did not, of course even rule over all of Inda are China, much less all the earth, so, LIKEWISE, those who say the Anti-Christ has to rule over ALL the earth are imho, just as mistaken, both Babylon and Greece were said to have ruled over ALL the earth. But it simply means THE LAND being spoken of.

2.) The Fourth Beast is shown to be fragile, it's Iron and Clay mixed together. Thus God tells us this Fourth Kingdom is the last great kingdom, but its DIVIDED over a long period of time, we know this because God sets up his Kingdom during the Fourth Beasts rule, which MORPHS into a 5th Beast called The Anti-Christ, who is a MAN who arises out of the FOURTH BEAST. The Fourth Beast receives a Mortal Wound in that the Church/blood of the Saints overcame the Beast, we converted the Romans to Christendom, and thus the Pax Romana sent out the Gospel of Jesus Christ to the whole world. Europe became DIVIDED over time, and Satan tried and tried to REFORM this Empire, but to NO AVAIL. Charlemagne tried, Napolean tried and Hitler tried.

3.) The Royals even tried through intermarriage of kingdoms (Mingling the SEEDS of men = Royal Marriage) ut that also failed. This Fourth Beast just would not cleave unto one another until Israel became a Nation in 1948, then in the 1950s (small wonders), we got the Council of Rome and European Reunification.

4.) This simply PROVES that the Fourth Kingdom ushers in Jesus' 1000 year reign. Thus the 10 Toes must REUNITE as Europe, the SAME Fourth Kingdom, not a different Fourth Kingdom. But the EXACT SAME LANDMASS has to be in play, the difference between Rome and all the other Beasts was what? THE LAND MASS of the Fourth Beast is the only Beast Kingdom to cover every square inch of the Mediterranean Sea Coastline, Greece was an Eastward Conquering Kingdom (all the way to India). So, on a map, the Anti-Christ must pick up this same trait and look just like his papa. He also has to be the European Kingdom. Let's look at the maps of the Old Roman Empire, then the Maps of the current European Neighborhood Policy(LOOK THIS UP on Wikipedia) maps, which I say is the FRAMEWORK of the 7 Year Agreements or Covenants.



Now let's look at a modern-day Map of the European Neighborhood Policy agreements in place as we speak.


Notice how eerily similar these two are on a map when COMBINED? Well, what is it that Dan. 11:40-43 says that the King of the North (who is the Anti-Christ) conquers? It says he Conquers Israel and rolls through COUNTRIES to get to Israel, then that he conquers basically all of North Africa including Egypt, Ethiopia, and Libya, and those old nations were bigger back in the day on a map. So, THE MANY are all the Nations he has AGREEMENTS (Covenants) with, not just Israel, it's not a religious Agreement, its a PACT between Nations as we see all the time. Go look up and read about the European Neighborhood Policy, they are 7 Year Agreements between the European Union and Israel, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Morocco, Algeria, Egypt, and Tunisia. Dan. 11:40-43 gives us a PLAY by PLAY of when he conquers this whole Mediterranean Sea Region (ALL THE EARTH/Land being spoken of). NOTICE, the only place in the whole area he can not conquer is Edom, Ammon, and Moab, where the Petra/Bozrah area is at, where the 144,000 (3-5 million Jews) flee unto.

This is why the Anti-Chr9st is sid to ARISE out of the Fourth Beasts Head. He looks just like PAPA on a map, and his center of power comes from Europe. Not Israel, not Syria, etc., etc. but from Europe. Now go look at maps of the Babylonian Empire, Persian Empire, and the Greek Empire, none of them conquered every square inch of the Mediterranean Sea Region, most only about half of the Coastline, this LAST BEAST (Anti-Christ) emulates the Fourth Beast. He himself is the 7th Head, but he mimics the 6th head of Rome. Thus the Mortal Wound is HEALED.

 

[Rondonmon]

You may understand this all, but it's over my head.
I disagreed with you about Michael, you still don't accept what the scriptures tell us about Michael.

As for the demon / King of Persia, I don't know anywhere in the scriptures there is a demon by that name mentioned. So, it looked to me like you're looking outside the scriptures and piecing things together perhaps correctly or perhaps incorrectly.

The Demons name is Apollyon. Hes is called by Israel THE DESTROYER. His job, of course, is to DESTROY Israel. I think he was paced of the Mediterranean Sea Region by Satan. He drove Pharoah to try and kill Israel as they were leaving Egypt and failed. He tried t tote off the Northern Tribes via Assyria and failed because God only purged the Evil Tribes from their evil leaders and left a small seed that became ONE NATION with Judah. He tried to destroy Israel with Babylon, but Daniel became a great leader and God sed him in Babylon, then sent Persia to destroy Babylon, and even though Persia was a Beast, God used Cyrus to restore Israel. Apollyon then tried to destroy Israel via Greece and Antiochus, but the Maccabean Revolt stopped that cold, and Antiochus died on the battlefield on the Eastern front. Then Apollyon tried to destroy Israel via the Diaspora, but God allowed the Jws to be taken all over the world, but then God locked Apollyon into the Bottomless Pit for nigh 2000 years. Only when the 1st Woe hits will he then be released, and he will then once again try to destroy the Jews but God will PROTECT them in the Petra/Bozrah area fr 1260 days. Apollyon will then kill the Two-witnesses and Jesus will cast Satan and all of his Demons into the bottomless pit for 1000 years.

Apollyon was the king of Persia in the SPIRITUAL REALM, but then he became the King of Greece, and of Rome thus he was OF THE SEVEN, but he is an 8th. (King of the bottomless pit).

Rev. 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

Put simply, The Scarlet Colored Beast with NO CROWNS is Apollyon.

The Red Dragon with 7 CROWNS in Rev. 12 is Satan.

The Beast with 10 CROWNS (Europe) is the Anti-Christ.

THE CROWNS or lack thereof tells us the story of each entity being spoken about.

NOTICE: GET THIS, it's deep, Satan is in Heaven in Rev 12 until he is CAST DOWN to earth. Thus it starts out, I see a SIGN in Heaven.

The Anti-Christ ARISES from the Mediterranean Sea because he is a HUMAN KING taking over the Mediterranean Sea Region by force.

Apollyon has NO CROWNS in Rev. 17 because his only Kingdom is NOT OF THS EARTH, thus we are shown where he also comes from in this descriptive chapter. He is the Beast from the Bottomless Pit. NOTICE he is of ALL SEVEN.....HE WAS (of the 6 Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece, and Rome) WAS NOT (he was in the Bottomless Pit for 2000 some odd years) YET IS (he will be released to try and continue his mission at the First Woe.

I just know how to follow all the clues brother.

 

[Rondonmon]

Thanks again for your wrong judgmental opinion.
I am not a LONE WOLF (I have a Church). So you are wrong again.
Maybe you can enlighten me, O Mighty One in showing me where my understanding is faulty. (I doubt you know my understanding, but if you see it as a falsehood, I am all ears).
Go ahead.

For starters, I went back a few posts and this all started by YOU trying to discount all the preachers and teachers on YOUTUBE, which is in itself Judgmental this I called you out, As a preacher of 35 years I have seen many, many sound teachers and preachers on youtube, but you (I guess) would prefer that we do not take the Gospel to the whole world by any means necessary (I don't get t) and this you just take a swipe at all these preachers and teachers, wh you yourself do not have a clue about. Thus I called you out and all of a sudden you want to get personal. ts on YOU, you ought not all out brothers when you don't even listen to none of, so says you.

You acted like you were AFRAID of what they might say, which I find as a joke, I can tell a nut job within 5 minutes. I also like knowing what the "REAL NUT JOBS" are up to. Could you see a great General trying to fight a war without giving directions as per to what the other side is doing? A lot of my understandings come from DISCOUNTING BAD ESHATOLOGY because when I see it I want to prove them to be in error, and I always prove it, via the Scriptures.

The Rapture is Pre Trib, that s a proven fact. When I hear one say it's not, I am already weary of ANYTHING the say, period.

When I hear some of the things like the RCC and the Pope are The Beast/False Prophet, OR the Anti-Christ is Islamic, I roll my eyes quite literally, When I hear about a Rev. 12 SIGN being of the Horoscope, I roll my eyes, that is bad teaching, bad eschatology, bad understandings, etc. all. The SIGN in Heaven is simply designating where Satan currently LIVES it's just that simple. Just like the Best in Rev. 13 arises from the Mediterranean Sea (he lives on earth) and the Rev. 17 Beat comes ut of the Bottomless Pit (he's Apollyon).

If you all out a whole community (YOUTUBE) and I call you out for calling them out, it is what it is brother. That doesn't;t mean I don't love you, I just think you oughta think before you swipe all preachers and teachers on YOUTUBE, it's ok to see the CRAZY ONES on thee, they expose themselves as such. But we can reach the MASSES with this technology, and we must needs use it.

 

[crossnote]

For starters, I went back a few posts and this all started by YOU trying to discount all the preachers and teachers on YOUTUBE, which is in itself Judgmental this I called you out, As a preacher of 35 years I have seen many, many sound teachers and preachers on youtube, but you (I guess) would prefer that we do not take the Gospel to the whole world by any means necessary (I don't get t) and this you just take a swipe at all these preachers and teachers, wh you yourself do not have a clue about. Thus I called you out and all of a sudden you want to get personal. ts on YOU, you ought not all out brothers when you don't even listen to none of, so says you.

You acted like you were AFRAID of what they might say, which I find as a joke, I can tell a nut job within 5 minutes. I also like knowing what the "REAL NUT JOBS" are up to. Could you see a great General trying to fight a war without giving directions as per to what the other side is doing? A lot of my understandings come from DISCOUNTING BAD ESHATOLOGY because when I see it I want to prove them to be in error, and I always prove it, via the Scriptures.

The Rapture is Pre Trib, that s a proven fact. When I hear one say it's not, I am already weary of ANYTHING the say, period.

When I hear some of the things like the RCC and the Pope are The Beast/False Prophet, OR the Anti-Christ is Islamic, I roll my eyes quite literally, When I hear about a Rev. 12 SIGN being of the Horoscope, I roll my eyes, that is bad teaching, bad eschatology, bad understandings, etc. all. The SIGN in Heaven is simply designating where Satan currently LIVES it's just that simple. Just like the Best in Rev. 13 arises from the Mediterranean Sea (he lives on earth) and the Rev. 17 Beat comes ut of the Bottomless Pit (he's Apollyon).

If you all out a whole community (YOUTUBE) and I call you out for calling them out, it is what it is brother. That doesn't;t mean I don't love you, I just think you oughta think before you swipe all preachers and teachers on YOUTUBE, it's ok to see the CRAZY ONES on thee, they expose themselves as such. But we can reach the MASSES with this technology, and we must needs use it.

yeah, yeah, I'm pre-trib. I don't have time right now for 'rapture talk' when a law/gospel discussion is going on which is by far more important.

 

[Truth7t7]

yeah, yeah, I'm pre-trib. I don't have time right now for 'rapture talk' when a law/gospel discussion is going on which is by far more important.

Dont worry they have a cure for that illness, it's called (Caught Up Late)

 

[OrphanedRepublican]

Daniel 10
12 Then he said to me, “Do not fear, Daniel, for from the first day that you set your heart to understand, and to humble yourself before your God, your words were heard; and I have come because of your words. 13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me twenty-one days; and behold, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, for I had been left alone there with the kings of Persia. 14 Now I have come to make you understand what will happen to your people in the latter days, for the vision refers to many days yet to days yet to come.”
(NKJV)

So we see that there is Michael, a prince, and the prince of the kingdom of Persia, a prince. So why wouldn't the two be the same type of 'prince'?

I understand the appeal of thinking of the preincarnate Christ as the head of the divine council, how thinking of 'the angel of the Lord' s referring to the divine, princarnate Christ, is an easy segue to trinitarian thinking. But here, Michael is one of the chief princes. it does not even say that He is the chief. To make him out to be the exclusive extension of and agent of the LORD in the divine council just does not seem to have sufficient support from this passage.

Also, prophets spoke in the first person for God. If we see angels doing it, why would that mean 'the angel of the Lord' who does so in a givine passage is divine?

Because in the verses I cited you before, which you didn't acknowledge tell us the prince is the Messiah and that Michael is the prince. Not just "a" prince, the the great prince that stands for the people of Israel. You now know that the prince is Messiah, and what you didn't know before was that Michael was the prince. That was a "news flash," if you will. You had always understood Michael to be the archangel. And archangel by definition itself, alone, identifies it is Jesus who is also referred to as Michael because we know that Jesus is the head of all men and angels. We also know that Jesus is the chief of angels that disseminate his word. We know he is the power behind the word. We know he preached the word himself. All these things identify Jesus as Michael the archangel and also the angel of the Lord.

And I've made the case and cited the scripture.

 

[Truth7t7]

Because in the verses I cited you before, which you didn't acknowledge tell us the prince is the Messiah and that Michael is the prince. Not just "a" prince, the the great prince that stands for the people of Israel. You now know that the prince is Messiah, and what you didn't know before was that Michael was the prince. That was a "news flash," if you will. You had always understood Michael to be the archangel. And archangel by definition itself, alone, identifies it is Jesus who is also referred to as Michael because we know that Jesus is the head of all men and angels. We also know that Jesus is the chief of angels that disseminate his word. We know he is the power behind the word. We know he preached the word himself. All these things identify Jesus as Michael the archangel and also the angel of the Lord.

And I've made the case and cited the scripture.

Direct Question: Do You Believe In "Hell" A Literal Place Of Torment For The Unsaved Wicked Upon Death?

 

[OrphanedRepublican]

The Demons name is Apollyon. Hes is called by Israel THE DESTROYER. His job, of course, is to DESTROY Israel. I think he was paced of the Mediterranean Sea Region by Satan. He drove Pharoah to try and kill Israel as they were leaving Egypt and failed. He tried t tote off the Northern Tribes via Assyria and failed because God only purged the Evil Tribes from their evil leaders and left a small seed that became ONE NATION with Judah. He tried to destroy Israel with Babylon, but Daniel became a great leader and God sed him in Babylon, then sent Persia to destroy Babylon, and even though Persia was a Beast, God used Cyrus to restore Israel. Apollyon then tried to destroy Israel via Greece and Antiochus, but the Maccabean Revolt stopped that cold, and Antiochus died on the battlefield on the Eastern front. Then Apollyon tried to destroy Israel via the Diaspora, but God allowed the Jws to be taken all over the world, but then God locked Apollyon into the Bottomless Pit for nigh 2000 years. Only when the 1st Woe hits will he then be released, and he will then once again try to destroy the Jews but God will PROTECT them in the Petra/Bozrah area fr 1260 days. Apollyon will then kill the Two-witnesses and Jesus will cast Satan and all of his Demons into the bottomless pit for 1000 years.

Apollyon was the king of Persia in the SPIRITUAL REALM, but then he became the King of Greece, and of Rome thus he was OF THE SEVEN, but he is an 8th. (King of the bottomless pit).

Rev. 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

Put simply, The Scarlet Colored Beast with NO CROWNS is Apollyon.

The Red Dragon with 7 CROWNS in Rev. 12 is Satan.

The Beast with 10 CROWNS (Europe) is the Anti-Christ.

THE CROWNS or lack thereof tells us the story of each entity being spoken about.

NOTICE: GET THIS, it's deep, Satan is in Heaven in Rev 12 until he is CAST DOWN to earth. Thus it starts out, I see a SIGN in Heaven.

The Anti-Christ ARISES from the Mediterranean Sea because he is a HUMAN KING taking over the Mediterranean Sea Region by force.

Apollyon has NO CROWNS in Rev. 17 because his only Kingdom is NOT OF THS EARTH, thus we are shown where he also comes from in this descriptive chapter. He is the Beast from the Bottomless Pit. NOTICE he is of ALL SEVEN.....HE WAS (of the 6 Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece, and Rome) WAS NOT (he was in the Bottomless Pit for 2000 some odd years) YET IS (he will be released to try and continue his mission at the First Woe.

I just know how to follow all the clues brother.

I'm wondering if Joel 2 and Revelation 9 are speaking about the same things. But I see what you were explaining.

 

[Oseas3]

Direct Question: Do You Believe In "Hell" A Literal Place Of Torment For The Unsaved Wicked Upon Death?

JESUS warned: Matthew 10:v.28

Fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. -in the hell's fire-

 

[Rondonmon]

I'm wondering if Joel 2 and Revelation 9 are speaking about the same things. But I see what you were explaining.

I made a small boo boo, I stated king of Persa, then king of Greece and Rome because you called him a king, I know you meant the Prince of Persia (Dan 10), so that makes it seems like I contradicted myself, saying hes never a KING on this earth thus he has NO CROWNS, but in fact, he was called the PRINCE of Persia, in other words, he's UNDER Satan. (Felt I needed to get that corrected)

You are on the right track, let me explain where we see Joel 2 in the book of Revelation.

Joel 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams(1), your young men shall see visions: 29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit. 30 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.(2)

31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood(3), before the great and terrible day of the Lord come. 32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the Lord hath said, and in the remnant whom the Lord shall call.

1.) Israel repents and thus God pours out his spirit on them.

2.) An Asteroid hits the earth, pillars of smoke from the impact and burning trees gets in the jetstream and travels the world.

3.) This will cause the Sun and Moon to be dimmed by all the smoke, and the moon will appear to be BLOOD RED from all the fires. The Day of the Lord starts with this ASTEROID IMPACT, this happens IN THE PRESENCE (as in BEFORE a King's Face) of the day of the Lord, the word used actually means FACE, so these events happen in the FACE or before the kings face so to speak, OR just in the presence of the Day of the Lord, not BEFORE the DOTL gets here. The old Hebrew has to be studied, it's a primitive language.

Now, I will show you where all these things happen in the book of Revelation.

Rev. 8:1 And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.

Ever wonder why the 7th Seal is in chapter 8 AFTER the 144,000 are protected (3-5 million Jews) by God in Petra/Bozrah for 42 months? Because this is the coming DAY OF THE LORD Event. The Seals actually DO NOTHING, they are Jesus prophesying (like Joel did) what would come when this asteroid finally hits the earth.

2 And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets. 3 And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne. 4 And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand. 5 And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake.

Notice, Jesus says nothing after the 7th Seal like he did with the first 6, but we are just shown the Angels readying the 7 Trumpet Judgments instead. The Prayers of the Saints are offered in Heaven, that would include the Two-witnesses down on earth who PRAY DOWN all the plagues during the 70th week. The Angel cast FIRE down on earth, and there was VOICES/LIGHTENING, and an Earthquake. (an Asteroid Impact, but before that FIRE.)

6 And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound. 7 The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up

Scientists have confirmed that just before an Asteroid make IMPACT, Fire comes down ahead of it, so the First Trumpet Judgment is FIRE, and 1/3 of the trees burn up and all the grasses.

8 And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood; 9 And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed.

Now the Asteroid makes IMPACT. (Mountain cast into the Sea), notice it's on FIRE, and thus a 1/3 part of the sea becomes blood, 1/3 of the creatures die, 1/3 of the ships perished. I actually think the 1/3 is a DESCRIPTION of where this asteroid hits. This asteroid heading our way named Apophis would likely hit just off the California Coastline near Mexico if it hits (I think it will for sure). Thus it hits in the the Pacific Ocean in the Americas. The Pacific Ocean has 1/3 of all the waters on the face of the earth, and the Two Americas (North and South) also have 1/3 of all the Landmass on the earth, so I pers9nally think the 1/3 is a HUGE CLUE as per to where this hits. Naturally, Jesus is going t reign from Jerusalem, so I don't think he could have picked out a better location to semi protect Israel/Jerusalem from this devastation.

10 And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; 11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.

Here we are told about the EXACT SAME IMPACT again, but why? Notice it's called Wormwood, a STAR but w saw verse 2 called the Mountain out as being on fire, so why show it twice? This is about the Nuclear Fallout from the IMPACT, which poisons the fresh waters over 1/3 of the world, or in the Pacific realm. (WORMWOOD = POISON).

12 And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.

The above simply shows what Joel 2:31 prophesied, but also what Jesus prophesied via the 6th Seal. The SEALS DO NOTHING !! All of God's Wrath comes via the 7 Trumps.

13 And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!

So, the Angel just told us above, the LAST THREE WOES are the LAST THREE Trumps.

So, Trumet #5 is the First Woe. Trumpet #6 is the 2nd Woe and Trumpet #7 is the 3rd Woe, which is ALL 7 Vials.

So, Joel chapter 2 is indeed seen in Rev. 8, Rev. 9, and Rev 16.

 

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Because in the verses I cited you before, which you didn't acknowledge tell us the prince is the Messiah and that Michael is the prince.

I responded in another thread. I pointed out that it calls Michael one of the chief princes. it is highly speculative to go from that to thinking Michael is the head of the divine council. Why is he only called __one of__ the chief princes? Christ, the Word of God, has no equal among all the angelic beings. Michael is a supernatural creature. It stands to reason that the prince of Persia he referred to likely was one, too.

The verse in question in Daniel 10 says,
13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.

Here, these two beings are called princes in the same verse. Why would Michael be a completely different kind of prince from the other? The Messiah is called a prince. But so was Saul, and so were various other people throughout the Old Testament. Saul being a prince and Michael being a prince does not mean that Saul was Michael does it?

Not just "a" prince, the the great prince that stands for the people of Israel. You now know that the prince is Messiah, and what you didn't know before was that Michael was the prince. That was a "news flash," if you will.

No, I've read Daniel before.

You had always understood Michael to be the archangel. And archangel by definition itself, alone, identifies it is Jesus who is also referred to as Michael because we know that Jesus is the head of all men and angels.

Very sloppy logic here. Michael ruling over angels does not prove there is no rulers over him. Hebrews 2:16 says, "For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham."
Your case is guesswork and speculation. There is no reason to think it is true other than 'the preacher said so' or maybe because EG White believed it and some people think she was a prophet so all her flowery books, even if she didn't say she was prophesied, are treated as some like scripture, or because the Watchtower says its true.

We also know that Jesus is the chief of angels that disseminate his word. We know he is the power behind the word. We know he preached the word himself. All these things identify Jesus as Michael the archangel and also the angel of the Lord.

No, this just shows you are willing to go waaaaaaaay out on a thin limb of argument to prove your point. I have disseminated the word of God. That does not make me Michael. The Bible does not say that Michael is the power behind the word. We do not know how many archangels there are. 'Arch' does not mean the one and only ruler. There were apparently a lot of archisunogoges in the first century. Jairus was one. Sosthenes was another.

And I've made the case and cited the scripture.

Based on your highly speculative case, you should refrain from calling our Lord Micahel lest you blaspheme. The Bible warns against those who promote the worship of angels.