Death before Adam's sin ??

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Tintin

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It's fine, Tintin. I understand your interpretation and reasoning is the only possible way. Galileo understood the church's literal interpretation was the only way. Luther understood the catholic church's interpretation was the only way. You keep on, keeping on, being perfect, denying science and technology, when the writing you're reading is technology, when the ink and paper on which you read is from science, when the computer on which you're typing, came from... where? Keep championing a very upside down, backwards and hypocritical method of thinking. It will be ok.

Aside from the monkey people, we don't need to explain these "modern human" bones that have been in the strata for 100,000 years. We don't need to explain geology, or biology, or how there are cave drawings dating to "who knows when". DNA is all nonsense. Dinosaurs probably were on the arc. God just put all the oil and coal there to make us ask questions.

Let's all stick our heads in the sand and pretend we know everything from a literal interpretation of Genesis. A day is a day to God, because you say so. People lived hundreds of years because they ate really well and there's no deeper reason or meaning to this. The deluge was all over the world which is why everyone descended from 1 pack of guys on a boat, even though genetics explicitly tell a different message.

I'm obviously having a flawed belief system because I use the sense God gave me. Tell me a little more about how things really are. Maybe it will click.
Wow. You're an ass. I don't hate science, I love science, just not the naturalistic-get-God-out-of-here farce that calls itself science. Besides, operational science is very different to origins science. And what we do find actually does point to the truth of the Bible, but the world at large isn't going to reveal that, because they keep telling themselves that there isn't a God and that the Bible is nothing but a book of mythology.
 

jb

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That's certainly a disingenuous reading of those passages...
Certainly isn't, from my point of view it is the correct reading!

We'll just have to agree to disagree...
 
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Tintin

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Certainly isn't, from my point of view it is the correct reading!

We'll just have to agree to disagree...
There's nothing about pre-Adamites in there, there's nothing to suggest they ever existed. It's a load of tosh. But you believe whatever you want.
 

valiant

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'And now lest he put forth his hand and Take also of the tree of life and eat and live for ever -'.

This shows that man was mortal and owed his immortality to God.
 

posthuman

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It's a load of tosh.

ha! never heard that euphemism before!

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((yeah that's Peter Tosh. famous reggae singer/songwriter. i assume you meant "full of classic reggae" by that remark, right Tintin?
;)))

seriously though, i don't see anything in Genesis 1:1-2 and Job 38:4-15 that indicates even in the most oblique way that there was man before Adam. maybe Tintin has heard this line of reasoning before, but i haven't. i don't see it, and i don't know what you mean for me to see.

from Genesis, when He made the earth, it was formless and void ("empty").
from Job, He rhetorically asks Job where was he when He formed the earth? when He formed oceans and dry lands on it, and clouds over it, and measured out and proscribed the dawn on it? this is rhetorical - there is no answer for Job to answer, except that he was certainly not there. from reading the rest of the first few chapters of Genesis, of course we see that no man was there.
the only thing i see that you might be referring to is from this part in Job:

who laid its cornerstone,
when the morning stars sang together
and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

(Job 38:6-7)​

((talking about the 'cornerstone' of the earth))
are you thinking the 'sons of God' here are pre-adamic men? even pre-earth men? most English translations render that "angels" but i see that the literal Hebrew is 'bene Elohim' - "sons of God." certainly not the word for "mankind" -- who knows? maybe when we are fully made like Him, after the end, we will also live with Him from the beginning - He has know us all this time - and then you and I will ourselves rejoice, seeing all His works from beginning to end fully, knowing them, as we fully know Him. but that's not "pre-existence" - it's full knowledge of God, which is
eternal life.

dude, jb, what are you seeing in those two sections of scripture that makes you believe there was man before Adam? i don't see it.