Did God give all His children power or just His disciples?

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know1

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Luk 10:17 And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name.
Luk 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
Luk 10:19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

Did Jesus give just His disciples power or all His children?
Keep in mind, this was AFTER the 70 disciples returned from healing the sick and casing out evil spirits.
They already had power.
But what about the believers of today?
Do we have ANY God given power?


2Ti 1:6 Wherefore I put thee in remembrance that thou stir up the gift of God, which is in thee by the putting on of my hands.
2Ti 1:7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

Who is the "us" Paul is talking about?
And what kind of power was Paul talking about? And what was the scope of it?
What about the other two gifts?
Regardless of what God did or didn't do, you cannot separate the spirit of "love" and of a "sound mind" from what appears to be from the same spirit of "power".
Irrespective of what God's will is, do we, as believers, have a power of His or not?
If we did get this same said power, is it subject to the will of God only or not.
 

know1

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Act 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

Do we have the same Spirit they received?
 

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Act 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

Do we have the same Spirit they received?
Yes, we have!!!!! If you Read Acts, then so find out that not all believers Got the Power which the Apostels had. They had a Special Call and Duty. If we compare with us today, we will for shure dissapointet. The Lord is useing us today, according his plan for us.
 

know1

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Yes, we have!!!!! If you Read Acts, then so find out that not all believers Got the Power which the Apostels had. They had a Special Call and Duty. If we compare with us today, we will for shure dissapointet. The Lord is useing us today, according his plan for us.
The bible says, they would receive power AFTER the Holy Ghost comes on them. Was that referring to being filled with the Spirit or simply being born again?
Specifically, what power have we received?
What can we do with this so called power?
 

JaumeJ

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The Twelve are the men of reknown,and we are not. I doubt all Twelve worked the identical works of the others but they did the works fo God.

We, by reading the New Testament, are taught which "powers" we will have. The truth be known, we have no powers but gifts and we are fraced to emply them to the glory of God.. nothing is of us except availiing ourselves to God a s velleels to serve our blesse Lord.
 

know1

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How could it be otherwise?
That is the question.
So you do believe we have been given some power from God, whatever that may entail and however small it may be.
God said both DEATH and life is in the power of OUR TONGUE. Is it therefore the will of God for us to use His power to cause death and/or destruction?
 

know1

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The Twelve are the men of reknown,and we are not. I doubt all Twelve worked the identical works of the others but they did the works fo God.

We, by reading the New Testament, are taught which "powers" we will have. The truth be known, we have no powers but gifts and we are fraced to emply them to the glory of God.. nothing is of us except availiing ourselves to God a s velleels to serve our blesse Lord.
What about,
2Ti 1:7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind. ?

Isn't that written to the believers in Christ?
I have another scripture of question.
The bible says, both Jesus and the word of God are the power of God.
Both of which are said to be in us.
So are we the power of God? For it is written.

1Jn 4:17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.
 

JaumeJ

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God, the Holy Spirit, is that power graced upon us. Try works of God without Him….yosu will go nowhere.
 

know1

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God, the Holy Spirit, is that power graced upon us. Try works of God without Him….yosu will go nowhere.
Even as Jesus could do nothing without the Father, neither can we do any works of God without Jesus.

Joh 6:57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.

Joh 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
Joh 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

If God is the one doing the work, and He does, through the word of God, why did Jesus say "ye" as in, we, the believers in Christ, can do nothing without Him? He obviously was talking about godly works. Such as, healing the sick, casting out evil spirits, raising the dead, and the like.
How are they OUR works, when God is the one doing the work?
How are they OUR works, when it is ALL God's will and His doings, and none of ours?
Why call it OUR work in the first place, if He is the one doing everything?
If God is the one initiating, directing, orchestrating, and doing all the actual work, how can He even call it OUR work? Since truly, we are not the ones doing the work?
Could it be because, the faith of God within us, is dead, useless, and without effect, without a corresponding work we HAVE TO or MUST do to get God to do the supernatural work through or by the power of His word, which we must speak and/or send first?
Keep in mind, it IS THE WORD OF GOD ITSELF, THE SAME WORD WE SPEAK AND/OR SEND, THAT DOES THE SUPERNATURAL WORK.
God watches over and hastens to perform HIS word, NOT our.
And if we send forth His spoken word in faith, the same said word, goes forth to do what it was sent to do.
That is how I understand it to work.
It was the word of God that created and upholds all things. We are also save by the same said word of God.
And without JESUS, THE WORD OF GOD, THE TRUTH, being and abiding in us, we could do nothing. For it is the word we send that does the supernatural work.

The Faith of a Centurion
Mat 8:5 And when Jesus was entered into Capernaum, there came unto him a centurion, beseeching him,
Mat 8:6 And saying, Lord, my servant lieth at home sick of the palsy, grievously tormented.
Mat 8:7 And Jesus saith unto him, I will come and heal him.
Mat 8:8 The centurion answered and said, Lord, I am not worthy that thou shouldest come under my roof: but speak the word [of faith] only, and my servant shall be healed.
Mat 8:9 For I am a man under authority, having soldiers under me: and I say to this man, Go, and he goeth; and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth it.
Mat 8:10 When Jesus heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel.
Mat 8:11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 8:12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Mat 8:13 And Jesus said unto the centurion, Go thy way; and as thou hast believed, so be it done unto thee [a universal law to all]. And his servant was healed in the selfsame hour.

Luk 17:5 And the apostles said unto the Lord, Increase our faith.
Luk 17:6 And the Lord said, If ye had faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye might say unto this sycamine tree, Be thou plucked up by the root, and be thou planted in the sea; and it [the word/servant/soldier you sent] should obey you.
Unworthy Servants
Luk 17:7 But which of you, having a servant plowing or feeding cattle, will say unto him by and by, when he is come from the field, Go and sit down to meat?
Luk 17:8 And will not rather say unto him, Make ready wherewith I may sup, and gird thyself, and serve me, till I have eaten and drunken; and afterward thou shalt eat and drink?
Luk 17:9 Doth he thank that servant because he did the things that were commanded him? I trow not.
Luk 17:10 So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do.

THE WORD OF GOD WE SPEAK/SEND IN FAITH, IS THAT SOLDIER/SERVANT DOING THE WORK. THE SAME SOLDIER/SERVANT THAT CREATED THE WORLDS AND ALL THINGS IN EXISTENCE, BOTH SEEN AND UNSEEN.
And since the word of God is God, He, God Himself, through and by the spoken word of God, is therefore the one doing the work.
Even as we are the sender or master of the spoken word of God, or that which is sent, and even as a general or king of an army of soldiers, which are his servants, couldn't win a war without them, neither can we do anything without Jesus/the Truth/the Living Word of God.
And because we are the sender or master of the spoken word of God, even as the general or king gets the credit for the outcome of the war, and not the servants or the ones doing the actual work or fighting, Jesus therefore says, "Ye", the master or sender, can do nothing without me, giving us the credit for the work He did.
Again, that is what was revealed to me and how I understand it.