Did Jesus died on Good Friday and rise Sunday, first day of the week?

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Inquisitor

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So, here’s how I presently see it (I hope that your brains don’t cramp up).

According to God’s actual calendar, the evening comes first, and then the morning:

“And the evening and the morning were the first day.” (Gen. 1:5)
“And the evening and the morning were the second day.” (Gen. 1:8)
“And the evening and the morning were the third day.” (Gen. 1:13)
“And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.” (Gen. 1:19)
“And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.” (Gen. 1:23)
“And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.” (Gen. 1:31)

Although it’s not explicitly stated in scripture, it stands to reason that the evening and the morning were the seventh day as well.
With this understanding before us, I personally don’t think that it’s too hard to calculate exactly when Jesus was crucified.

I propose that Jesus was crucified on Thursday afternoon on Passover which would actually have been the second part of “the fifth day” of the week because, again, the evening comes first.

They needed to get his body into the tomb before sunset, or before the beginning of Friday or “the sixth day” of the week (again, the evening comes first), and here is why:

“And if a man have committed a sin worthy of death, and he be to be put to death, and thou hang him on a tree: His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, BUT THOU SHALT IN ANY WISE BURY HIM THAT DAY; (for he that is hanged is accursed of God) that thy land be not defiled, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.” (Deuteronomy 21:22-23)

To this end, we read:

“The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.” (John 19:31)

“BECAUSE IT WAS THE PREPARATION”, or because this was the day before “that sabbath day” which “was an high day”, or because Passover was the day before the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread which was a special Sabbath day (Leviticus 23:7), Jesus couldn’t remain on the cross lest the land be defiled (Deuteronomy 21:22-23), so he was buried THAT DAY.

With such being the case, I see it like this:

Jesus was in the grave the second part of Passover Thursday or the second part of “the fifth day” of the week which was the “day” part of that day (the evening part of that day had already come first and passed), and which was a day of preparation because the next day, the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, was a “high day” or a special Sabbath, and the evening on Friday or the evening of “the sixth day” of the week which, again, comes first, and was the first part of the Feast of Unleavened Bread special Sabbath as well.

Thursday day and Friday night.

There is our first day and night.

Jesus was also in the grave Friday day which was the second part of “the fifth day” of the week, and which was also the second part of the Feast of Unleavened Bread special Sabbath, and Saturday evening or the evening part of “the sixth day” of the week which comes first, and which was the first part of the regular weekly Sabbath.

Friday day and Saturday night.

There is our second day and night.

Jesus was still in the grave Saturday day which is the second part of “the seventh day” of the week, and which was the second part of the regular weekly Sabbath, and Sunday evening which was the first part of “the first day” of the week.

Saturday day and Sunday night.

There is our third day and night.

Jesus arose from the grave Sunday morning WHICH IS THE SECOND PART OF SUNDAY OR THE SECOND PART OF “THE FIRST DAY” of the week.

In doing so, Jesus not only fulfilled the type of the Passover Lamb by being crucified on the Feast of Passover, and not only fulfilled the type of the feast of Unleavened Bread by giving us the ability to remove all leaven or sin which it represents from our lives (I Cor. 5:7-8), but he also arose from the dead on the Feast of Firstfruits on Sunday day and fulfilled that type as well.

In relation to the Feast of Firstfruits, we read:

“Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest unto the priest: And he shall wave the sheaf before the LORD, to be accepted for you: ON THE MORROW AFTER THE SABBATH THE PRIEST SHALL WAVE IT.” (Leviticus 23:10-11)

All 4 gospels record that Jesus was raised from the dead “on the morrow after the Sabbath” or on Sunday:

“IN THE END OF THE SABBATH, AS IT BEGAN TO DAWN TOWARD THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.” (Matt. 28:1)

“AND WHEN THE SABBATH WAS PAST, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him. AND VERY EARLY IN THE MORNING THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK, THEY CAME UNTO THE SEPULCHRE AT THE RISING OF THE SUN.” (Mark 16:1-2)

“And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; AND RESTED THE SABBATH DAY ACCORDING TO THE COMMANDMENT. NOW UPON THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK, VERY EARLY IN THE MORNING, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.” (Luke 23:56-24:1)

“THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK COMETH MARY MAGDALENE EARLY, WHEN IT WAS YET DARK, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.” (John 20:1)

REMEMBER, when we read how “in the end of the sabbath, AS IT BEGAN TO DAWN TOWARD THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK”, “AND VERY EARLY IN THE MORNING, the first day of the week…AT THE RISING OF THE SUN”, “upon the first day of the week, VERY EARLY IN THE MORNING”, and “the first day of the week…WHEN IT WAS YET DARK”, we are reading about THE SECOND HALF OF THE DAY ON SUNDAY OR THE SECOND HALF OF “THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK” BECAUSE THE EVENING COMES FIRST.

Anyhow, Jesus rose from the dead “on the morrow after the sabbath” (Lev. 23:11), thereby perfectly fulfilling the type in the Feast of Firstfruits, and for this reason the Apostle Paul twice referred to Christ as the “firstfruits”.

In relation to the same, we read:

“But now is Christ risen from the dead, AND BECOME THE FIRSTFRUITS OF THEM THAT SLEPT.” (I Cor. 15:20)

Again:

“But every man in his own order: CHRIST THE FIRSTFRUITS; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.” (I Cor. 15:23)

There are the fulfillments of the first 3 Springtime feasts, and here is the fulfillment of the 4th:

“And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete: Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD.” (Lev. 23:15-16)

Fifty days after the Feast of Firstfruits came the Feast of Pentecost.

With such in mind, please consider the following:

Acts chapter 1

[1] The former treatise have I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach,
[2] Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:
[3] To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, BEING SEEN OF THEM FORTY DAYS, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:
[4] And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.
[5] For John truly baptized with water; BUT YE SHALL BE BAPTIZED WITH THE HOLY GHOST NOT MANY DAYS HENCE.

Jesus was seen of his disciples for 40 days after his resurrection from the dead or for 40 days after the Feast of Firstfruits. He instructed his disciples to remain in Jerusalem before his ascension while telling them that they would “be baptized with the Holy Ghost NOT MANY DAYS HENCE. The disciples remained in Jerusalem for 10 days, which brings us to 50 days needed to reach the Feast of Pentecost, and here is what transpired that day:

Acts chapter 2

[1] AND WHEN THE DAY OF PENTECOST WAS FULLY COME, they were all with one accord in one place.
[2] And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
[3] And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.

Again, another feast perfectly fulfilled on its literal calendar day.

In summary, this is how I see it:

Jesus was in the grave the day part of Thursday, and the night part of Friday.
He was also in the grave the day part of Friday, and the night part of Saturday.
Finally, he was also in the grave the day part of Saturday, and the night part of Sunday.

Again, there are the required three days and three nights.

For whatever that’s worth…
What a difficult thread this has
I propose that Jesus was crucified on Thursday afternoon on Passover which would actually have been the second part of “the fifth day” of the week because, again, the evening comes first.

They needed to get his body into the tomb before sunset, or before the beginning of Friday or “the sixth day” of the week (again, the evening comes first), and here is why:

“And if a man have committed a sin worthy of death, and he be to be put to death, and thou hang him on a tree: His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, BUT THOU SHALT IN ANY WISE BURY HIM THAT DAY; (for he that is hanged is accursed of God) that thy land be not defiled, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.” (Deuteronomy 21:22-23)

To this end, we read:

“The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day
 

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The majority christians believe that Jesus died on good Friday and rose Sunday. Yet when we compare this to what Jesus himself said about how long he would be in grave we see we have little problem. Jesus was always being inquired of by the Jews for a sign. He gave them one in reference to His death and resurrection. He told them that just like Jonas, He would be in the earth 3 days and 3 nights. In the Gospel of John Jesus again gave the Jews a sign by telling them if this temple was destroyed He would raise it up in 3 days. Jesus was referring to His body.

(Matthew 12:38) Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee. 39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: 40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

So we are going to pretend Jonas wasn't in the belly of a whale. Now the Lord had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three night. (Jonas 1:17)

Let's take another look at it (John 2:18) Then answered the Jews and said unto him, “What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?” (19) Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. (20) Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? (21) But he spake of the temple of his body.

Jesus makes it clear the time between His death and resurrection would be 3 days and 3 nights.

Cannot Get 3 Days And 3 Nights

Now despite the fact that Jesus Himself said that He would be in the grave 3 days and 3 nights, man has come up with the tradition of Jesus dying on Good Friday and rising early Sunday morning. In following this tradition, not only does one not observe one of God's Holy Days, which is the Passover, they directly deny the words of Jesus. It was Jesus who gave the sign of being in the grave 3 days and 3 nights. The tradition of Good Friday and Easter clearly does not line up with scripture. Because following this tradition the maximum one has Jesus in the grave is 1 day and 2 nights.

According to tradition, if Jesus had died on Friday, He would have been in the grave Friday night, Saturday day and Saturday night. One would not count Sunday because in John (20:1) it states that the 1st day of the week which is Sunday, Mary came to the grave site when it was still dark. In Luke (24:1-6) They find that the stone which was placed in front of the sepulcher had been removed and an angel tells them that Jesus had already risen.

Tradition Man - Good Friday to Easter Sunday Morning S U M T W TH F S
Days 1
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(John 20:1) The first d ay of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre. (2) Then she runneth, and cometh to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and saith unto them, They have taken away the Lord out of the sepulchre, and we know not where they have laid him.

(Luke 24:1) Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them. (2) And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulchre. (3) And they entered in, and found not the body of the Lord Jesus. (4) And it came to pass, as they were much perplexed thereabout, behold, two men stood by them in shining garments:


(5) And as they were afraid, and bowed down their faces to the earth, they said unto them, Why seek ye the living among the dead? (6) He is not here, but is risen: remember how he spake unto you when he was yet in Galilee,
You are right on the money I would sure like to here more from you. Not many "Christians" today would believe you. If we were to kill the Passover lamb today which we do not have to do it would be on Sunday Apriel the 3rd.Take a look at you callander and find easter it falls on the 17th. Not even close. Try and tell that to most "Christians" today and they would tell you, you are crazy. I don't thank a lot of them even take the time to find out what the says.
 

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"And IT WAS THE PREPARATION OF THE PASSOVER, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King! " (John 19:14)
That sabbath was a high day, i.e., also the Passover.

John 19:31
Now then, since it was the day of preparation, to prevent the bodies from remaining on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day) [Passover]
 

Inquisitor

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Understand that you need three days and three nights, which you can't get from Friday to Easter Sunday Morning. This is what the world teaches, which is contrary to Bible.
Actually, I do not hold a doctrinal position on the three days and three nights. I accept that Jesus rose on that third day which Paul stated he rose.
What a difficult thread this has
I propose that Jesus was crucified on Thursday afternoon on Passover which would actually have been the second part of “the fifth day” of the week because, again, the evening comes first.

They needed to get his body into the tomb before sunset, or before the beginning of Friday or “the sixth day” of the week (again, the evening comes first), and here is why:

“And if a man have committed a sin worthy of death, and he be to be put to death, and thou hang him on a tree: His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, BUT THOU SHALT IN ANY WISE BURY HIM THAT DAY; (for he that is hanged is accursed of God) that thy land be not defiled, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.” (Deuteronomy 21:22-23)

To this end, we read:

“The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day
They only give you five minutes to edit a post. That is not long enough.
 
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That sabbath was a high day, i.e., also the Passover.

John 19:31
Now then, since it was the day of preparation, to prevent the bodies from remaining on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day) [Passover]
The day of Passover was not a Sabbath.

Instead, the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread was a special Sabbath day.

Here, see for yourself:

Leviticus chapter 23

[4] These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons.
[5] In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD's passover.
[6] And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.
[7] In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
[8] But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD seven days: in the seventh day is an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.

There's nothing there about "the fourteenth day of the first month" (vs. 5) being a Sabbath, and that is the day of Passover.

Instead, "the fifteenth day of the same month" (vs. 6) was indeed a Sabbath in which "ye shall do no servile work therein" (vs. 7), and that is the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread.

Furthermore, let's take a closer look at what you quoted from John's gospel:

"The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away. " (John 19:31)

Again, this day "was the preparation" or the day in which the Jews prepared for the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread which truly was a Sabbath.

Compare what John wrote to what Luke wrote:

Luke chapter 23

[50] And, behold, there was a man named Joseph, a counseller; and he was a good man, and a just:
[51] (The same had not consented to the counsel and deed of them) he was of Arimathaea, a city of the Jews: who also himself waited for the kingdom of God.
[52] This man went unto Pilate, and begged the body of Jesus.
[53] And he took it down, and wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a sepulchre that was hewn in stone, wherein never man before was laid.
[54] And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on.

"And that day", the day of Passover, "was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on".

Again, Passover wasn't a Sabbath, but the next day was, and that was the day that they were preparing for as it "drew on", "or drew near", or "was about to begin" as other translations translate it:

https://biblehub.com/luke/23-54.htm

New International Version
It was Preparation Day, and the Sabbath was about to begin.

New Living Translation
This was done late on Friday afternoon, the day of preparation, as the Sabbath was about to begin.

English Standard Version
It was the day of Preparation, and the Sabbath was beginning.

Berean Study Bible
It was Preparation Day, and the Sabbath was beginning.

Berean Literal Bible
And it was the Day of Preparation, and Sabbath was just beginning.

King James Bible
And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on.

New King James Version
That day was the Preparation, and the Sabbath drew near.

New American Standard Bible
It was a preparation day, and a Sabbath was about to begin.

NASB 1995
It was the preparation day, and the Sabbath was about to begin.

NASB 1977
And it was the preparation day, and the Sabbath was about to begin.

Amplified Bible
It was the day of preparation [for the Sabbath], and the Sabbath was dawning.

Christian Standard Bible
It was the preparation day, and the Sabbath was about to begin.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
It was preparation day, and the Sabbath was about to begin.

American Standard Version
And it was the day of the Preparation, and the sabbath drew on.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
The day was Friday and the Sabbath was beginning.

Contemporary English Version
It was Friday, and the Sabbath was about to begin.

Douay-Rheims Bible
And it was the day of the Parasceve, and the sabbath drew on.

Good News Translation
It was Friday, and the Sabbath was about to begin.

International Standard Version
It was the Preparation Day, and the Sabbath was just beginning.

Literal Standard Version
And it was [the] Day of Preparation, and Sabbath was approaching,

New American Bible
It was the day of preparation, and the sabbath was about to begin.

NET Bible
It was the day of preparation and the Sabbath was beginning.

New Revised Standard Version
It was the day of Preparation, and the sabbath was beginning.

New Heart English Bible
It was the day of the Preparation, and the Sabbath was drawing near.

Weymouth New Testament
It was the Preparation Day, and the Sabbath was near at hand.

World English Bible
It was the day of the Preparation, and the Sabbath was drawing near.

Young's Literal Translation
And the day was a preparation, and sabbath was approaching,

Anyhow, I've proposed what I've proposed, and, to my present understanding, it makes perfect Biblical sense.

If someone can show me some genuine error in what I've proposed, then I'll not only thank them for it (I don't want to misinterpret God's word for myself or anybody else), but also gladly change my position and align it with the word of God.
 

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Jesus rose on the first of the week.
 

Inquisitor

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Not so. When we read the account of the burial of Christ and the time it would have taken to gain Pilate's permission and then prepare the body of Jesus, it would appear that He may have been buried at the end of Wednesday (which would be the beginning of Thursday at sunset). Which would mean He was in the tomb for just three days.
Are you saying that Jesus was not in the tomb, for the full three days and the full three nights?
 
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I hope that I'm not out of line by asking this question, especially since it's very much in line with the present discussion, but I'm curious as to what others here might think about this:

Matthew chapter 12

[38] Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee.
[39] But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
[40] For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Jesus said that he would "be three days and three nights IN THE HEART OF THE EARTH".

Well, what does THAT mean?

I mean, HIS BODY certainly wasn't "in the heart of the earth" in that it was laid to rest in an ABOVE GROUND TOMB.

How then was he "in the heart of the earth" for "three days and three nights"?

I have some ideas, but I'm curious as to whether or not anybody else here has a good Biblical explanation for this.

Thoughts?
 

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The day of Passover was not a Sabbath.

Instead, the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread was a special Sabbath day.

Here, see for yourself:

Leviticus chapter 23

[4] These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons.
[5] In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD's passover.
[6] And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.
[7] In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
[8] But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD seven days: in the seventh day is an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.

There's nothing there about "the fourteenth day of the first month" (vs. 5) being a Sabbath, and that is the day of Passover.

Instead, "the fifteenth day of the same month" (vs. 6) was indeed a Sabbath in which "ye shall do no servile work therein" (vs. 7), and that is the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread.

Furthermore, let's take a closer look at what you quoted from John's gospel:

"The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away. " (John 19:31)

Again, this day "was the preparation" or the day in which the Jews prepared for the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread which truly was a Sabbath.

Compare what John wrote to what Luke wrote:

Luke chapter 23

[50] And, behold, there was a man named Joseph, a counseller; and he was a good man, and a just:
[51] (The same had not consented to the counsel and deed of them) he was of Arimathaea, a city of the Jews: who also himself waited for the kingdom of God.
[52] This man went unto Pilate, and begged the body of Jesus.
[53] And he took it down, and wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a sepulchre that was hewn in stone, wherein never man before was laid.
[54] And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on.

"And that day", the day of Passover, "was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on".

Again, Passover wasn't a Sabbath, but the next day was, and that was the day that they were preparing for as it "drew on", "or drew near", or "was about to begin" as other translations translate it:

https://biblehub.com/luke/23-54.htm

New International Version
It was Preparation Day, and the Sabbath was about to begin.

New Living Translation
This was done late on Friday afternoon, the day of preparation, as the Sabbath was about to begin.

English Standard Version
It was the day of Preparation, and the Sabbath was beginning.

Berean Study Bible
It was Preparation Day, and the Sabbath was beginning.

Berean Literal Bible
And it was the Day of Preparation, and Sabbath was just beginning.

King James Bible
And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on.

New King James Version
That day was the Preparation, and the Sabbath drew near.

New American Standard Bible
It was a preparation day, and a Sabbath was about to begin.

NASB 1995
It was the preparation day, and the Sabbath was about to begin.

NASB 1977
And it was the preparation day, and the Sabbath was about to begin.

Amplified Bible
It was the day of preparation [for the Sabbath], and the Sabbath was dawning.

Christian Standard Bible
It was the preparation day, and the Sabbath was about to begin.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
It was preparation day, and the Sabbath was about to begin.

American Standard Version
And it was the day of the Preparation, and the sabbath drew on.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
The day was Friday and the Sabbath was beginning.

Contemporary English Version
It was Friday, and the Sabbath was about to begin.

Douay-Rheims Bible
And it was the day of the Parasceve, and the sabbath drew on.

Good News Translation
It was Friday, and the Sabbath was about to begin.

International Standard Version
It was the Preparation Day, and the Sabbath was just beginning.

Literal Standard Version
And it was [the] Day of Preparation, and Sabbath was approaching,

New American Bible
It was the day of preparation, and the sabbath was about to begin.

NET Bible
It was the day of preparation and the Sabbath was beginning.

New Revised Standard Version
It was the day of Preparation, and the sabbath was beginning.

New Heart English Bible
It was the day of the Preparation, and the Sabbath was drawing near.

Weymouth New Testament
It was the Preparation Day, and the Sabbath was near at hand.

World English Bible
It was the day of the Preparation, and the Sabbath was drawing near.

Young's Literal Translation
And the day was a preparation, and sabbath was approaching,

Anyhow, I've proposed what I've proposed, and, to my present understanding, it makes perfect Biblical sense.

If someone can show me some genuine error in what I've proposed, then I'll not only thank them for it (I don't want to misinterpret God's word for myself or anybody else), but also gladly change my position and align it with the word of God.
You made no error, I did.

The moment I started on this thread my brain was scrambled.

Not only do you have to think of a Hebrew lunar calendar and a Gregorian solar calendar.

Nor do days start at midnight, the days start after sunset in Israel.

Then add to that, seven annual, Hebrew feast days with different time durations.

All this complexity.

I think I should have said the feast of unleavened bread?
 

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#52
The day of Passover was not a Sabbath.

Instead, the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread was a special Sabbath day.

Here, see for yourself:

Leviticus chapter 23

[4] These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons.
[5] In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD's passover.
[6] And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.
[7] In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
[8] But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD seven days: in the seventh day is an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.

There's nothing there about "the fourteenth day of the first month" (vs. 5) being a Sabbath, and that is the day of Passover.

Instead, "the fifteenth day of the same month" (vs. 6) was indeed a Sabbath in which "ye shall do no servile work therein" (vs. 7), and that is the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread.

Furthermore, let's take a closer look at what you quoted from John's gospel:

"The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away. " (John 19:31)

Again, this day "was the preparation" or the day in which the Jews prepared for the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread which truly was a Sabbath.

Compare what John wrote to what Luke wrote:

Luke chapter 23

[50] And, behold, there was a man named Joseph, a counseller; and he was a good man, and a just:
[51] (The same had not consented to the counsel and deed of them) he was of Arimathaea, a city of the Jews: who also himself waited for the kingdom of God.
[52] This man went unto Pilate, and begged the body of Jesus.
[53] And he took it down, and wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a sepulchre that was hewn in stone, wherein never man before was laid.
[54] And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on.

"And that day", the day of Passover, "was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on".

Again, Passover wasn't a Sabbath, but the next day was, and that was the day that they were preparing for as it "drew on", "or drew near", or "was about to begin" as other translations translate it:

https://biblehub.com/luke/23-54.htm

New International Version
It was Preparation Day, and the Sabbath was about to begin.

New Living Translation
This was done late on Friday afternoon, the day of preparation, as the Sabbath was about to begin.

English Standard Version
It was the day of Preparation, and the Sabbath was beginning.

Berean Study Bible
It was Preparation Day, and the Sabbath was beginning.

Berean Literal Bible
And it was the Day of Preparation, and Sabbath was just beginning.

King James Bible
And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on.

New King James Version
That day was the Preparation, and the Sabbath drew near.

New American Standard Bible
It was a preparation day, and a Sabbath was about to begin.

NASB 1995
It was the preparation day, and the Sabbath was about to begin.

NASB 1977
And it was the preparation day, and the Sabbath was about to begin.

Amplified Bible
It was the day of preparation [for the Sabbath], and the Sabbath was dawning.

Christian Standard Bible
It was the preparation day, and the Sabbath was about to begin.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
It was preparation day, and the Sabbath was about to begin.

American Standard Version
And it was the day of the Preparation, and the sabbath drew on.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
The day was Friday and the Sabbath was beginning.

Contemporary English Version
It was Friday, and the Sabbath was about to begin.

Douay-Rheims Bible
And it was the day of the Parasceve, and the sabbath drew on.

Good News Translation
It was Friday, and the Sabbath was about to begin.

International Standard Version
It was the Preparation Day, and the Sabbath was just beginning.

Literal Standard Version
And it was [the] Day of Preparation, and Sabbath was approaching,

New American Bible
It was the day of preparation, and the sabbath was about to begin.

NET Bible
It was the day of preparation and the Sabbath was beginning.

New Revised Standard Version
It was the day of Preparation, and the sabbath was beginning.

New Heart English Bible
It was the day of the Preparation, and the Sabbath was drawing near.

Weymouth New Testament
It was the Preparation Day, and the Sabbath was near at hand.

World English Bible
It was the day of the Preparation, and the Sabbath was drawing near.

Young's Literal Translation
And the day was a preparation, and sabbath was approaching,

Anyhow, I've proposed what I've proposed, and, to my present understanding, it makes perfect Biblical sense.

If someone can show me some genuine error in what I've proposed, then I'll not only thank them for it (I don't want to misinterpret God's word for myself or anybody else), but also gladly change my position and align it with the word of God.
You look as though you have a handle on this.

In Leviticus 23, what is the difference between not doing any work and not doing laborious work?
 

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Understand that you need three days and three nights, which you can't get from Friday to Easter Sunday Morning. This is what the world teaches, which is contrary to Bible.
Are you saying three full days and three full nights. Or are you saying a time duration that is less than three full days and nights.

Can we sort this out please?
 
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You made no error, I did.

The moment I started on this thread my brain was scrambled.

Not only do you have to think of a Hebrew lunar calendar and a Gregorian solar calendar.

Nor do days start at midnight, the days start after sunset in Israel.

Then add to that, seven annual, Hebrew feast days with different time durations.

All this complexity.

I think I should have said the feast of unleavened bread?
No worries.

It's not about pointing out other people's errors, but really about just trying to collectively come to an understanding of the actual truth.

I certainly don't have all of the answers, so I like to bounce certain things around with others to see what truths I can possibly glean myself.
 

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You are right on the money I would sure like to here more from you. Not many "Christians" today would believe you. If we were to kill the Passover lamb today which we do not have to do it would be on Sunday Apriel the 3rd.Take a look at you callander and find easter it falls on the 17th. Not even close. Try and tell that to most "Christians" today and they would tell you, you are crazy. I don't thank a lot of them even take the time to find out what the says.
 
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You look as though you have a handle on this.

In Leviticus 23, what is the difference between not doing any work and not doing laborious work?
I'm not sure what you're referencing in relation to "laborious work".

Perhaps you're using a different Bible translation or maybe I missed it when I just reread Leviticus chapter 23?
 

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If we were to kill the Passover lamb today which we do not have to do it
would be on Sunday Apriel the 3rd.

Passover 2022 begins at sundown on Friday, the 15th of April; so the Jews
would be killing and roasting their lambs with fire ready to eat that Friday's
afternoon. In other words; all the dirty work, plus the cooking, is completed
prior to sunset so they can sit down to eat as soon after sunset as is
convenient.


Take a look at you callander and find easter it falls on the 17th.

The formula for determining the date of Easter each year is designed to
ensure Christ's resurrection is always celebrated on a Sunday regardless of
which day of the week that Passover falls on.

For example; Passover 2024 begins at sundown on Monday, the 22nd of
April. Without the formula, Easter would follow three days later on a
Thursday-- or thereabouts --instead of Sunday.
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Are you saying three full days and three full nights. Or are you saying a time duration that is less than three full days and nights.

Can we sort this out please?
Jesus rose ON the third day, not after the third day. The first two days were full days and nights, but not the third one. He didn't stay in there for 72 hours.

Also, a biblical "day" started from 6:00 am and ends at 6:00 pm, so the first day was a "high Sabbath" on Friday, also the first day of Unleavened Bread week; the second day was a regular sabbath; and at the dawn of the third 12-hour day, Jesus rose again.
 

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Matt 12:40 . . As Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a
huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart
of the earth. (cf. Jonah 1:17)

A handy fact to know about Christ's resurrection is that a preponderance of
textual evidence indicates that his crucified dead body was restored to life
during the third day rather than after the third day was completely over and
done with.

Matt 16:21 . . From that time on Jesus began to explain to his disciples
that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the
elders, chief priests and teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and
on the third day be raised to life.

Matt 20:17-19 . . Now as Jesus was going up to Jerusalem, he took the
twelve disciples aside and said to them: We are going up to Jerusalem, and
the Son of Man will be betrayed to the chief priests and the teachers of the
law. They will condemn him to death and will turn him over to the Gentiles
to be mocked and flogged and crucified. On the third day he will be raised to
life.

Matt 17:22-23 . . And while they were gathering together in Galilee, Jesus
said to them: The Son of Man is going to be delivered into the hands of
men; and they will kill him, and he will be raised on the third day.

Mark 9:31 . . For he taught his disciples, and said unto them: The Son of
man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after
that he is killed, he shall rise the third day.

Luke 9:22 . . And he said: The Son of Man must suffer many things and be
rejected by the elders, chief priests and teachers of the law, and he must be
killed and on the third day be roused.

Luke 18:31-33 . . Jesus took the twelve aside and told them: We are going
up to Jerusalem, and everything that is written by the prophets about the
Son of Man will be fulfilled. He will be handed over to the Gentiles. They will
mock him, insult him, spit on him, flog him and kill him. On the third day he
will rise again.

Luke 24:1-8 . . On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, the
women took the spices they had prepared and went to the tomb. They found
the stone rolled away from the tomb, but when they entered, they did not
find the body of the Lord Jesus.

. . .While they were wondering about this, suddenly two men in clothes that
gleamed like lightning stood beside them. In their fright the women bowed
down with their faces to the ground, but the men said to them: Why do you
look for the living among the dead? He is not here; he has risen! Remember
how he told you, while he was still with you in Galilee: "The Son of Man must
be delivered into the hands of sinful men, be crucified and on the third day
be raised again." Then they remembered his words.

Luke 24:12-21 . . Peter, however, got up and ran to the tomb. Bending
over, he saw the strips of linen lying by themselves, and he went away,
wondering to himself what had happened. Now that same day two of them
were going to a village called Emmaus, about seven miles from Jerusalem.
They were talking with each other about everything that had happened. As
they talked and discussed these things with each other, Jesus himself came
up and walked along with them; but they were kept from recognizing him.

. . . He asked them: What are you discussing together as you walk along?
They stood still, their faces downcast. One of them, named Cleopas, asked
him: Are you only a visitor to Jerusalem and do not know the things that
have happened there in these days? What things? he asked.

. . . About Jesus of Nazareth; they replied. He was a prophet, powerful in
word and deed before God and all the people. The chief priests and our
rulers handed him over to be sentenced to death, and they crucified him;
but we had hoped that he was the one who was going to redeem Israel. And
what is more, it is the third day since all this took place.

Luke 24:41-46 . . And while they still could not believe it for joy and were
marveling, he said to them : Have you anything here to eat? And they gave
him a piece of a broiled fish; and he took it and ate it before them. Now he
said to them : These are my words which I spoke to you while I was still
with you, that all things which are written about me in the Law of Moses and
the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled. Then he opened their minds
to understand the Scriptures, and he said to them : Thus it is written, that
the Christ should suffer and rise again from the dead the third day

Acts 10:39-41 . . And we are witnesses of all the things He did both in the
land of the Jews and in Jerusalem. And they also put him to death by
hanging him on a cross. God raised him up on the third day

1Cor 15:4 . . He rose again the third day
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Matt 12:40 . . As Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a
huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart
of the earth. (cf. Jonah 1:17)


A handy fact to know about Christ's resurrection is that a preponderance of
textual evidence indicates that his crucified dead body was restored to life
during the third day rather than after the third day was completely over and
done with.


Matt 16:21 . . From that time on Jesus began to explain to his disciples
that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the
elders, chief priests and teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and
on the third day be raised to life.


Matt 20:17-19 . . Now as Jesus was going up to Jerusalem, he took the
twelve disciples aside and said to them: We are going up to Jerusalem, and
the Son of Man will be betrayed to the chief priests and the teachers of the
law. They will condemn him to death and will turn him over to the Gentiles
to be mocked and flogged and crucified. On the third day he will be raised to
life.


Matt 17:22-23 . . And while they were gathering together in Galilee, Jesus
said to them: The Son of Man is going to be delivered into the hands of
men; and they will kill him, and he will be raised on the third day.


Mark 9:31 . . For he taught his disciples, and said unto them: The Son of
man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after
that he is killed, he shall rise the third day.


Luke 9:22 . . And he said: The Son of Man must suffer many things and be
rejected by the elders, chief priests and teachers of the law, and he must be
killed and on the third day be roused.


Luke 18:31-33 . . Jesus took the twelve aside and told them: We are going
up to Jerusalem, and everything that is written by the prophets about the
Son of Man will be fulfilled. He will be handed over to the Gentiles. They will
mock him, insult him, spit on him, flog him and kill him. On the third day he
will rise again.


Luke 24:1-8 . . On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, the
women took the spices they had prepared and went to the tomb. They found
the stone rolled away from the tomb, but when they entered, they did not
find the body of the Lord Jesus.


. . .While they were wondering about this, suddenly two men in clothes that
gleamed like lightning stood beside them. In their fright the women bowed
down with their faces to the ground, but the men said to them: Why do you
look for the living among the dead? He is not here; he has risen! Remember
how he told you, while he was still with you in Galilee: "The Son of Man must
be delivered into the hands of sinful men, be crucified and on the third day
be raised again." Then they remembered his words.


Luke 24:12-21 . . Peter, however, got up and ran to the tomb. Bending
over, he saw the strips of linen lying by themselves, and he went away,
wondering to himself what had happened. Now that same day two of them
were going to a village called Emmaus, about seven miles from Jerusalem.
They were talking with each other about everything that had happened. As
they talked and discussed these things with each other, Jesus himself came
up and walked along with them; but they were kept from recognizing him.


. . . He asked them: What are you discussing together as you walk along?
They stood still, their faces downcast. One of them, named Cleopas, asked
him: Are you only a visitor to Jerusalem and do not know the things that
have happened there in these days? What things? he asked.


. . . About Jesus of Nazareth; they replied. He was a prophet, powerful in
word and deed before God and all the people. The chief priests and our
rulers handed him over to be sentenced to death, and they crucified him;
but we had hoped that he was the one who was going to redeem Israel. And
what is more, it is the third day since all this took place.


Luke 24:41-46 . . And while they still could not believe it for joy and were
marveling, he said to them : Have you anything here to eat? And they gave
him a piece of a broiled fish; and he took it and ate it before them. Now he
said to them : These are my words which I spoke to you while I was still
with you, that all things which are written about me in the Law of Moses and
the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled. Then he opened their minds
to understand the Scriptures, and he said to them : Thus it is written, that
the Christ should suffer and rise again from the dead the third day


Acts 10:39-41 . . And we are witnesses of all the things He did both in the
land of the Jews and in Jerusalem. And they also put him to death by
hanging him on a cross. God raised him up on the third day


1Cor 15:4 . . He rose again the third day
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On the third day - at sunrise!