Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?
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ahh you have turned into an accuser.
No one has, when I sin I ask for forgiveness and seek repentance, inwaredly and outwardly, In thought and actionm guided by the holy SPirit.
1 John 1:8-10, "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His Word is not in us."
1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."
Hebrews 10:16-17, " 16 “This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my laws on their hearts, and write them on their minds,” 17 then he adds, “I will remember their sins and their lawless deeds no more.”
Acts 3:22-23, " 22 Moses said, ‘The Lord God will raise up for you a prophet like me from your brothers. You shall listen to him in whatever he tells you. 23 And it shall be that every soul who does not listen to that prophet shall be destroyed from the people.’
No one has, when I sin I ask for forgiveness and seek repentance, inwaredly and outwardly, In thought and actionm guided by the holy SPirit.
1 John 1:8-10, "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His Word is not in us."
1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."
Hebrews 10:16-17, " 16 “This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my laws on their hearts, and write them on their minds,” 17 then he adds, “I will remember their sins and their lawless deeds no more.”
Acts 3:22-23, " 22 Moses said, ‘The Lord God will raise up for you a prophet like me from your brothers. You shall listen to him in whatever he tells you. 23 And it shall be that every soul who does not listen to that prophet shall be destroyed from the people.’
Hebrews 10:16-17, " 16 “This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my laws on their hearts, and write them on their minds,” 17 then he adds, “I will remember their sins and their lawless deeds no more.”
Psalm 119:44-45, "That I might guard Your Law continually, Forever and ever; That I might walk in liberty, For I have sought Your orders;"
James 1:22-25, “And become doers of the Word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. Because if anyone is a hearer of the Word and not a doer, he is like a man who looks at his natural face in a mirror, for he looks at himself, and goes away, and immediately forgets what he was like. But he that looked into the perfect Law of liberty, and continues in it, not becoming a hearer that forgets, but a doer of work, this one shall be blessed in his doing.”
James 2:8-12, “If you truly accomplish the sovereign Law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself, (Lev 19:18) you do well, but if you show partiality, you commit sin, being found guilty by the Law as transgressors. For whoever shall guard all the Law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” (Exo 20:14) also said, “Do not murder.” (Exo 20:13) Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of Law. So speak and so do as those who are to be judged by the Law of liberty.”
Psalm 119:44-45, "That I might guard Your Law continually, Forever and ever; That I might walk in liberty, For I have sought Your orders;"
James 1:22-25, “And become doers of the Word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. Because if anyone is a hearer of the Word and not a doer, he is like a man who looks at his natural face in a mirror, for he looks at himself, and goes away, and immediately forgets what he was like. But he that looked into the perfect Law of liberty, and continues in it, not becoming a hearer that forgets, but a doer of work, this one shall be blessed in his doing.”
James 2:8-12, “If you truly accomplish the sovereign Law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself, (Lev 19:18) you do well, but if you show partiality, you commit sin, being found guilty by the Law as transgressors. For whoever shall guard all the Law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” (Exo 20:14) also said, “Do not murder.” (Exo 20:13) Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of Law. So speak and so do as those who are to be judged by the Law of liberty.”
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Matthew 24:12 And because lawlessness will be increased, the love of many will grow cold.
Exodus 20:6, “But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws.”
John 14:15, “If you love Me, keep My commandments.”
1 John 5:2-3, " 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and obey his commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome.
Matthew 22:37-40, " 37 And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. 38 This is the great and first commandment. 39 And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. 40 On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.”
Exodus 20:6, “But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws.”
John 14:15, “If you love Me, keep My commandments.”
1 John 5:2-3, " 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and obey his commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome.
Matthew 22:37-40, " 37 And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. 38 This is the great and first commandment. 39 And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. 40 On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.”
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Marcelo what happend to a discussion about the word. THe other day you said I have to log off Ill reply tomorrow, since then you isloted partes of my posts and the discussion seems to have stopped. Why not consider the verses I posted? Why not consider when Jesus says "these words I have spoken while still with you" and "my words will not pass" If you accpet these you can not hold to Jesus words are not for me and another speaks in His place. Is this the reason why you have turned it into a discussion about my imperfections rather than what the word says?
Hey Marcelo,
So, would that mean that the verse below which clarifies that The Holy Spirit would remind us of His words He spoke while present on Earth is no longer valid? Do we ignore the Holy Spirit leading us to Jesus' words and instead read Pauls only?;
Joh 14:25-26 KJV
(25) These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.
(26) But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
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[QUOTE="FollowtheShepherd, post: 4041077, member: 289109"]ahh you have turned into an accuser. ’[/QUOTE]
This is a question, not an accusation.
I am not judging you, I'm just testing your assumptions. It is a fact that Law Zealots don't even attempt to keep all of the ordinances of the law of Moses because they know nobody can do that. They themselves decided to remove some (or many) items from the Law and this can't be done. Jesus said: "not one tittle, nor an iota, will pass from the Law until ALL is fulfilled".
Since you believe that ALL has not yet been fulfilled you are obliged to keep ALL 613 Mitzvot of the Law of Moses.
This is a question, not an accusation.
I am not judging you, I'm just testing your assumptions. It is a fact that Law Zealots don't even attempt to keep all of the ordinances of the law of Moses because they know nobody can do that. They themselves decided to remove some (or many) items from the Law and this can't be done. Jesus said: "not one tittle, nor an iota, will pass from the Law until ALL is fulfilled".
Since you believe that ALL has not yet been fulfilled you are obliged to keep ALL 613 Mitzvot of the Law of Moses.
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Hebrews 7 explains this,
“For the priesthood being changed (#G3346), there is made of necessity a change (#G3331) also of the law.”
the law is transferred to mediation by Jesus not abolished, the levitical riesthood is abolished, but again not the laws of priesthood.
Hebrews 7:23-25, " 23 The former priests were many in number, because they were prevented by death from continuing in office, 24 but he holds his priesthood permanently, because he continues forever. 25 Consequently, he is able to save to the uttermost those who draw near to God through him, since he always lives to make intercession for them.
Psalms 110:4-5, " 4 The LORD has sworn and will not change his mind, “You are a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek.” 5 The Lord is at your right hand; he will shatter kings on the day of his wrath.
“For the priesthood being changed (#G3346), there is made of necessity a change (#G3331) also of the law.”
the law is transferred to mediation by Jesus not abolished, the levitical riesthood is abolished, but again not the laws of priesthood.
Hebrews 7:23-25, " 23 The former priests were many in number, because they were prevented by death from continuing in office, 24 but he holds his priesthood permanently, because he continues forever. 25 Consequently, he is able to save to the uttermost those who draw near to God through him, since he always lives to make intercession for them.
Psalms 110:4-5, " 4 The LORD has sworn and will not change his mind, “You are a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek.” 5 The Lord is at your right hand; he will shatter kings on the day of his wrath.
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OK respect Marcelo.
All that apply to me yes. I don't keep the laws of the high priest or women etc. But yes anything else does apply to me as a child of God.
Thats is why this state,ment was made:
Matthew 22:37-40, " 37 And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. 38 This is the great and first commandment. 39 And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. 40 On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.”
If we truly love God and others we will walk in His law, if we truly walk in His laws we will love GOd and others.
Proof of this is Jesus life on earth. He kept the law perfect and is also the perfect example of how to walkin love. This is NOT a coincedience.
All that apply to me yes. I don't keep the laws of the high priest or women etc. But yes anything else does apply to me as a child of God.
Thats is why this state,ment was made:
Matthew 22:37-40, " 37 And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. 38 This is the great and first commandment. 39 And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. 40 On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.”
If we truly love God and others we will walk in His law, if we truly walk in His laws we will love GOd and others.
Proof of this is Jesus life on earth. He kept the law perfect and is also the perfect example of how to walkin love. This is NOT a coincedience.
Matthew 5:17-18, " 17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.
"until heaven and earth pass away"
not yet passed:
Revelation 21:1-2, " 1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more. 2 And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
"until all is accomplished."
not yet accomplished/fulfilled:
Daniel 7:13-14, " 13 “I saw in the night visions, and behold, with the clouds of heaven there came one like a son of man (Mat 24:29-31), and he came to the Ancient of Days and was presented before him. 14 And to him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom, that all peoples, nations, and languages should serve him; his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom one that shall not be destroyed.
"until heaven and earth pass away"
not yet passed:
Revelation 21:1-2, " 1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more. 2 And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
"until all is accomplished."
not yet accomplished/fulfilled:
Daniel 7:13-14, " 13 “I saw in the night visions, and behold, with the clouds of heaven there came one like a son of man (Mat 24:29-31), and he came to the Ancient of Days and was presented before him. 14 And to him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom, that all peoples, nations, and languages should serve him; his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom one that shall not be destroyed.
1 John 1:8-10, "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His Word is not in us."
1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."
1 John 2:1-2, "My little children, I write these things to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father: Jesus Christ, the Righteous; and He is the sacrifice of atonement for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world."
1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."
1 John 2:1-2, "My little children, I write these things to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father: Jesus Christ, the Righteous; and He is the sacrifice of atonement for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world."
