No, OP is stating that there was no physicality before Adam sinned
Physicality/flesh was the outcome of sin, according to him.
Weird how the Son of God wasn't a physical man before being born one.
Did mind–body dualism exist before original sin?
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Weird how the Son of God wasn't a physical man before being born one.
Not really... unless you deny that Jesus is God. He was purposed from before the foundation of the world to be the propitiation for sin, that by grace through faith in His shed righteous blood, we could be reconciled to God and attain to life ever after.
You may as well say, how weird that God is a Spiritual Being
And/or, how weird that God can take on flesh to walk among us.
Even though you also say, God can do what He wants.
But then you say, how weird!
::rolls eyes:: You will never stop trying to vilify me.
I'm saying there was no reason for them to be physical in the garden.
I'm saying there was no reason for them to be physical in the garden.
No, OP is stating that there was no physicality before Adam sinned
Physicality/flesh was the outcome of sin, according to him.
oh so he doesn’t think God formed a physical body from the dust of the earth and then breathed the living spirit into him ?
okay thank you for clarifying I was way off to what he was saying
No, he does not believe Adam was physically formed of the dust of the ground.
His contention is that Adam and Eve were but spiritual, not
taking on flesh until God clothed them after they sinned.
The universe was likewise not physical according to him.
Apparently in his view, God is incapable of creating anything physical without it experiencing entropy.
As if the laws of the universe that God put in place, master God, and not the other way around
Not really... unless you deny that Jesus is God. He was purposed from before the foundation of the world to be the propitiation for sin, that by grace through faith in His shed righteous blood, we could be reconciled to God and attain to life ever after.
You may as well say, how weird that God is a Spiritual Being
And/or, how weird that God can take on flesh to walk among us.
Even though you also say, God can do what He wants.
But then you say, how weird!
yes amen he was purposed to manifest himself In Christ before the world was.
the understanding that man is spirit and flesh helps understand jesus statements like this and his relationship to the father the spirit
“Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father;
and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself:
but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.”
John 14:6-10 KJV
The Old Testament shows us the invisible Gid who is beyond knowing . The New Testament is the same God manifest to us giving us the understanding to know him and come near to him through Christ whom is the invisible incomprehensible God seen clearly and made known through calling all Men to come near to him and simply learn and believe and be saved
amen sister truer words never said , Jesus is God the father humbled as one of us and known in truth as he is .
“And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”
1 John 5:20
No, he does not believe Adam was physically formed of the dust of the ground.
His contention is that Adam and Eve were but spiritual, not
taking on flesh until God clothed them after they sinned.
The universe was likewise not physical according to him.
Apparently in his view, God is incapable of creating anything physical without it experiencing entropy.
As if the laws of the universe that God put in place, master God, and not the other way around
yes I understand what your saying now , clearly man is a spirit breathed into a created body of the earth .
this is why God promises a new spiritual body
which I thought was what he’s saying not sure but mans body was like it is going to be at the resurrection a spiritual body , then when we began to sin the body degraded because of the curse upon us now.
I sort of have a bit of agreement with the fact that we’re being restored to what we were created to be , before sin and death came upon mankind. Adam began in Gods intimate presence before sin , then sinned and withdrew and was expelled from that place .
God then promises us repentant sinners who believe that what Adam gave away for mankind Jesus promises to restore I believe mans bodies were not corrupt , nor were they cursed to die , until they did what a God warned would bring death
so in a way I guess I would agree that man is not the same as we were our flesh was corrupted with sin and changed us from what we were .
yes , I read that , have a totally different thought than what you covered . but I think that’s pretty legit that in a discussion forum people are going to have ideas that compete to find understanding
Physicality allows sin to happen for Humans. We won't be sinning in heaven ..so, physicality gets the boot.
Satan was cast out of heaven, and one third of the angels with him.
Oops, your vain philosophy is proved wrong once again.
I believe that though Adam had a relationship with God, due to the fact that he did not eat from the Tree of Life, he was not immortal to begin with, being of the natural world. Otherwise, yes, corruption entered with sin, and with it, the surety of death.
What was this fallen reality like when only fallen angels were here before us?
God cast the fallen angels to the physical earth? Is this just where all fallen go even if angels don't use physicality?
We can't currently see God's Kingdom, so we couldn't see the fallen reality when we were in the Kingdom?
God cast the fallen angels to the physical earth? Is this just where all fallen go even if angels don't use physicality?
We can't currently see God's Kingdom, so we couldn't see the fallen reality when we were in the Kingdom?
Do you see what I did there? If Adam and Eve where physical before original sin ..they would have noticed fallen angels around them.
*were
There had to be two realities running for the fallen angels to have been cast somewhere before us.
The fallen reality has entropy, death, and disorder ..sin
There had to be two realities running for the fallen angels to have been cast somewhere before us.
The fallen reality has entropy, death, and disorder ..sin
