Did you all know that there are three heavens

[pjharrison]

This is another logical fallacy, called "tu quoque". The problem is that instead of dealing with one's own error or wrongdoing, they draw attention to the wrongdoing of others. I am not obligated to challenge everyone who also happens to do what you do.

I disagreed with Trof on a side issue earlier. He and I aren't likely to agree, and I see no point in pushing the matter in this thread. I don't see him doing what I see you doing though.

And just what exactly is that?

 

[pjharrison]

IMO it's not in the celestial places above earth though indeed The spiritual hosts of evil are described as fighting in the region above the earth. But the meaning underlying this figure surely points to the power of evil as directly spiritual, not acting through physical and human agency, but attacking the spirit in that higher aspect, in which it contemplates heavenly things and ascends to the communion with God. As the former idea corresponds to the gross work of temptation on the high mountain, so this to the subtler spiritual temptation on the pinnacle of the temple.

You know, when you do that, it sounds good , but it gets confusing. You have to keep it simple for people like me.

 

[Dino246]

And just what exactly is that?

Taking verses of Scripture, interpreting them, avoiding input from anyone else, and asserting that your interpretations are the only correct ones.

Wise believers check their conclusions against those of other believers, knowing that deception is a subtle enemy.

 

[pjharrison]

Taking verses of Scripture, interpreting them, avoiding input from anyone else, and asserting that your interpretations are the only correct ones.

Wise believers check their conclusions against those of other believers, knowing that deception is a subtle enemy.

Ok what this mean to you? 1 John 2:26-27 26I am writing these things to you about those who are trying to lead you astray. 27As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit-just as it has taught you, remain in him.

 

[Dino246]

Ok what this mean to you? 1 John 2:26-27 26I am writing these things to you about those who are trying to lead you astray. 27As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit-just as it has taught you, remain in him.

I would need to ponder it and look at the context carefully. However, I am certain off the top that it does not mean "go off on your own with your Bible and assume that your interpretations are downloaded directly from God."

 

[pjharrison]

I would need to ponder it and look at the context carefully. However, I am certain off the top that it does not mean "go off on your own with your Bible and assume that your interpretations are downloaded directly from God."

Do you need the scriptures before and after
1 John 2:25-28
The Promise Is Eternal Life
25 This is the promise which He Himself [a]made to us: eternal life.
26 These things I have written to you concerning those who are trying to deceive you. 27 As for you, the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you; but as His anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, [b]you abide in Him.
28 Now, little children, abide in Him, so that when He appears, we may have confidence and not [c]shrink away from Him in shame [d]at His coming.

 

[Dino246]

Do you need the scriptures before and after
1 John 2:25-28
The Promise Is Eternal Life
25 This is the promise which He Himself [a]made to us: eternal life.
26 These things I have written to you concerning those who are trying to deceive you. 27 As for you, the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you; but as His anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, [b]you abide in Him.
28 Now, little children, abide in Him, so that when He appears, we may have confidence and not [c]shrink away from Him in shame [d]at His coming.

Thanks... I have seven or eight Bibles here and another 40 or so available on biblegateway.

 

[Zmouth]

Thats not the point of Genesis. The point of Genesis is to tell us that God created what works today. Water cycle, dry land, oceans, plants, animals, us.

The point of Genesis is not to teach us about how things technically worked/work. The point of Genesis is theological, not scientific.

At least have the intellectual honesty to say that you don't care what the answer is rather than lying to yourself with that is not the point of Genesis.

If you don't know what state the water was in Genesis 1:2 then what makes you think you would be able to understand what occurred in Genesis 1:6 since that is the way things works seeing that you have to apply what occurs in Genesis 1:3 to Genesis 1:2 to understand how the things in Genesis 1:6.

So how be it that the answer to that question is found in the scriptures and is affirmed by the scientific process and the known and observed universe. If the word came from God then wouldn't God know his works?

 

[Zmouth]

I would need to ponder it and look at the context carefully. However, I am certain off the top that it does not mean "go off on your own with your Bible and assume that your interpretations are downloaded directly from God."

She already said she didn't have a teacher which if she was anointed she would have known since it is the he that annoints that teaches you all things not the anointing which would be evident to her if she was anointed. So if the anointing teaches all things she would have responded to the question with the reply "the anointing was teaching her".

But since she responded she had no teacher then is she saying the Spirit of truth was speaking in her when she replied to the question regarding who her teacher was?

 

[trofimus]

At least have the intellectual honesty to say that you don't care what the answer is rather than lying to yourself with that is not the point of Genesis.

If you don't know what state the water was in Genesis 1:2 then what makes you think you would be able to understand what occurred in Genesis 1:6 since that is the way things works seeing that you have to apply what occurs in Genesis 1:3 to Genesis 1:2 to understand how the things in Genesis 1:6.

So how be it that the answer to that question is found in the scriptures and is affirmed by the scientific process and the known and observed universe. If the word came from God then wouldn't God know his works?

Its like asking me what happened in some poem. If I do not think its literal/technical description of how world works, how can I answer what it technically means?

Dream in Daniel, the statue of nations, similar situation. When the statue fell, was it very loud? How many decibels? What happened with the fragments?
Were birds littering its shoulders like any other buildings? How much of it was there?

Please, understand that if something is metaphorical or poetical, your technical questions do not make sense. You do not need to call me not being honest just because I do not want to postulate pure fantasies without any meaning. The story has some goal and point it wants to achieve and everything else is misleading.

 

[Zmouth]

Our knowledge changes. We know more today..

Can you build a pryamid? Can I buid a pryamid? Just tell me what kind of sedimentary stone you want it made out of.

In 1986 I published a paper on the construction of the pryamids in which I presented that Pharaoh used crush sedimentary stone which was mixed with organic matters at the building sites to produce a semi-solid product that was packed into wooden forms to support the material until it has sufficiently harden to allow the form to be removed and reset at the end of the finished block.

For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven. Matt 5:20

And His word changes. For example old testament - new testament change is a common knowledge.

LOL, really? I guess if old and new are the word of God you believe in,

But that which is seen is not eternal because the eternal has no beginning and doesn't change in form or nature so the fact you don't see the principles of God which are from everlasting to everlasting only proves that faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Son of God.

For example And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day:

 

[Zmouth]

Its like asking me what happened in some poem. If I do not think its literal/technical description of how world works, how can I answer what it technically means?

Dream in Daniel, the statue of nations, similar situation. When the statue fell, was it very loud? How many decibels? What happened with the fragments?
Were birds littering its shoulders like any other buildings? How much of it was there?

Please, understand that if something is metaphorical or poetical, your technical questions do not make sense. You do not need to call me not being honest just because I do not want to postulate pure fantasies without any meaning. The story has some goal and point it wants to achieve and everything else is misleading.

So what happens to water in space? it freezes so the earth would have been covered under a deluge of frozens waters.

 

[Zmouth]

Can you build a pryamid? Can I buid a pryamid? Just tell me what kind of sedimentary stone you want it made out of.

In 1986 I published a paper on the construction of the pryamids in which I presented that Pharaoh used crush sedimentary stone which was mixed with organic matters at the building sites to produce a semi-solid product that was packed into wooden forms to support the material until it has sufficiently harden to allow the form to be removed and reset at the end of the finished block.

For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven. Matt 5:20



LOL, really? I guess if old and new are the word of God you believe in,

But that which is seen is not eternal because the eternal has no beginning and doesn't change in form or nature so the fact you don't see the principles of God which are from everlasting to everlasting only proves that faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Son of God.

For example And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day:

If forgot to post the spoiler.

 

[trofimus]

So what happens to water in space? it freezes so the earth would have been covered under a deluge of frozens waters.

Water on Earth was not in vacuum.

 

[Zmouth]

Water on Earth was not in vacuum.

Now I see why you didn't answer the question. Space is a vacuum meaning there is no atmospheric pressure. The vacuum of space also produces weightlessness.

• So yes, the earth which abodes in space, referred unto as the heaven was in the vacuum of space.
• As the earth was covered under waters, then the again yes, the earth was in the vacuum of space.

 

[Zmouth]

Plus, it is written in the scriptures which is were I first learned of it when the Holy Ghost learned me.

 

[trofimus]

Now I see why you didn't answer the question. Space is a vacuum meaning there is no atmospheric pressure. The vacuum of space also produces weightlessness.

• So yes, the earth which abodes in space, referred unto as the heaven was in the vacuum of space.
• As the earth was covered under waters, then the again yes, the earth was in the vacuum of space.

Even though planets are in space, most or many planets have their own atmosphere so there is no vacuum.

Waters on Earth looked like in this video in 9:15:

 

[Zmouth]

Even though planets are in space, most or many planets have their own atmosphere so there is no vacuum.

Waters on Earth looked like in this video in 9:15:

So how many planets has man been on that they have obtained an actual atmospheric pressure reading? But I am sure you won't answer that either.If not mistaken the scriptures say prove your own work, you know show me your faith without works and I will show you my faith by my works.

It really doesn't matter to me what if you consider the testimony I offered for the simple reason it would be as if you were believeing me anyway. (John 12:44)

Is it your video? If it isn't then really no need to talk to you a bout it is there? It's like :33 of this video.

But thanks for proving that you could provided an answer to the question on what state the water was on the earth as represented by Genesis 1:2, but you lied and said there wasn't any way to even know but once the testimony was offered with your response with a video that presents conjuecture and you believe it to be the gospel.

So what is it most or many planets have atmospheric pressure sufficient to prevent water from freezing but I digress, lets just leave it you don't know or you would have provided at least some evidence in support of your opinion.

 

[trofimus]

But thanks for proving that you could provided an answer to the question on what state the water was on the earth as represented by Genesis 1:2, but you lied and said there wasn't any way to even know...

There is a difference between "how Earth and its water mass developed" and between "what happened betwen this and that verse in Gen 1 scientifically".

The second one I cannot know for certain, because Gen 1 is not as literal as you think. Its metaphorical. There is no direct mapping like "Gen 1:5 equals 40:25 in this scientific video". It may be, but it does not have to be it.

 

[pjharrison]

She already said she didn't have a teacher which if she was anointed she would have known since it is the he that annoints that teaches you all things not the anointing which would be evident to her if she was anointed. So if the anointing teaches all things she would have responded to the question with the reply "the anointing was teaching her".

But since she responded she had no teacher then is she saying the Spirit of truth was speaking in her when she replied to the question regarding who her teacher was?[/QU

I started out listening to Sam Soleyn. He is an Apostle. After I came into my understanding, I was on my own. Sam don't have a church. Faith comes by hearing. Then the Holy Spirit started to lead. I got knocked down many times and put in my place, I backslid, and was beat up by the devil. Then I got serious, and started to fear God. That keeps me from intentionally sinning. When the Holy Spirit teaches, he teaches indeed. It stays with you. He is renewing the mind.