"Disobedience", the Three Lies of Satan, and the Last Generation

[Rob7]

Satan told three lies in the Garden of Eden, ...
... that continue to influence our "natural man" ( 1 Corinthians 2:6-16 ), our spiritual traditions, beliefs and teachings. Particularly in the Roman Catholic Church system, with her doctrines and traditions. These false statements can be seen as the foundation of many false doctrines that have taken root in Christianity. Let's examine them in detail:

1. The First Lie: "You shall not surely die"

• Original statement (Genesis 3:4):

Satan told Eve, “You shall not surely die!” (Genesis 3:4). This was the first lie, attempting to convince the first humans that the consequences of sin (death) would not occur, despite God's warning.

• How this manifests in Catholic doctrine:

One of the doctrines of the Roman Catholic Church is the teaching of the immortality of the soul. According to this doctrine, after death, a person does not die but continues to exist in another state, such as in purgatory or in heaven. This teaching contradicts the biblical understanding of death as a state of unconsciousness, as stated in Ecclesiastes 9:5. This doctrine of the immortality of the soul is one of the foundations of Satan's lie, which diverts from the truth about death.

2. The Second Lie: "You will be like gods"

• Original statement (Genesis 3:5)

Satan told Eve that if she ate the fruit, she would “be like gods, knowing good and evil” (Genesis 3:5). This was a promise that misled her into believing she could become like God, leading to pride and the fall.

• How this manifests in Catholic doctrine:

In the Catholic Church, the doctrine of papal infallibility exists, claiming that the pope, under certain conditions, cannot err in matters of faith and morals. This assertion implies that the pope, in some sense, occupies a position similar to God's on earth, holding divine-like authority. This contradicts the biblical teaching that only God is absolutely infallible.

3. The Third Lie: "You will know good and evil"

• Original statement (Genesis 3:5)

Satan claimed that by eating the fruit, humans would know good and evil, as if such knowledge were a blessing. However, the result was the introduction of sin, suffering, and death into the world.

• How this manifests in Catholic doctrine:

Catholicism teaches that the church is the mediator between man and God, and it interprets moral truths through its dogmas. This can be seen as a manifestation of how, through their church system, people attempt to grasp "knowledge of good and evil" through human-established traditions and doctrines, rather than through God's Word.

These three false ideas spoken by Satan in the Garden of Eden continue to influence many doctrines in Christian churches, particularly in the Roman Catholic Church, and has infiltrated professed Protestant Denominational Churches. Through these deceptions, Satan seeks to mislead people and draw them into false teachings that divert them from the true path of God's salvation. It is important for believers today to remain vigilant and seek the truth that is provided only through the Holy Scriptures, not human traditions or teachings.

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[homwardbound]

Thanks, what I see is :
Adam and Eve were dependent on God in the Garden of Eden, 100%, without the knowledge of good and evil
By getting them to eat from that tree, they chose to be as if are God and not 100% dependent on God
They ate and became aware of right and wrong. No more 100% dependent on God. Now, to think and decide what is right and what is wrong and go through troubles here on earth with each other, with "I" am right and you are wrong, and then fights and war(t)s ever since
What, I see is Satan tried to get them too be dependent on satan over dependent on God. Yet, that did not happen. Man became in charge, and so the war went forward Satan trying to get his way over God still, and could not get this with all mankind. Went into Manipulate, force and control people and cause doubt to anyone he can.
God I see sits at rest, waiting for us to decide to trust God alone over it all.
Now we have a choice to choose, Self, includes other flesh people. God or Satan himself.
I choose God to lead, not me or anyone or anything else, anyone else?

I know by God through the Bible messages from Genesis to Revelations that God loves us all. A Gigantic Love letter from Father in risen Son for. us all. Seeing no one can enter Heaven unless Perfect, and no one is perfect but God.
So God, sent Son to go to a willing death to reconcile us all as Forgiven, as if never sinned 2 Cor 5:16-20
'What?
Col 1:21-22, will we stand in this truth from God through son to us to trust God 100% even through experiencing any troubles we experience here on earth good or bad?
He came to go to that cross to die to make us new, as if never did wrong. What a gift! Thank you Father and Son as Won of run to be new in love and nemrcy to all too, thank you

 

[Rob7]

“The Three Lies of Satan and the Last-Day Deceptions of Apostate Christianity”​

THE BATTLE FOR TRUTH - The Way, The Life - Jesus, "the Christ"​

It seems that God's people today ( and throughout history) are repeating the same three lies Satan told in Eden.

Revelation 12:9
"And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceives the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."

Ellen White, in her book, "The Great Controversy" says;
“Spiritualism, apostate Protestantism, and Rome will unite on the platform of Satan’s three great lies.”


I. THE FIRST LIE OF SATAN: “YE SHALL NOT SURELY DIE” (Immortality of the soul)
The doctrine of natural immortality (the inherent immortality of the soul) is seen as the foundational error that makes spiritualism, false miracles, and demonic apparitions credible within a worldview or religion. This is established through the following biblical reasoning:

1. The Biblical View: Soul is Mortal; Life is in Christ.

• Genesis 2:7: Man became a "living soul" (nephesh), not given an immortal soul. The soul is the living being, subject to death.
• Ezekiel 18:4,20: "The soul that sinneth, it shall die."
• 1 Timothy 6:15-16: God alone "hath immortality."
• Romans 6:23: "The wages of sin is death," not eternal life in torment.
• 1 Corinthians 15:51-54: Immortality is a gift bestowed upon the righteous at the resurrection, not an inherent possession.

2. The Lie of the Serpent: "Ye shall not surely die." (Genesis 3:4) This direct contradiction of God's warning ("thou shalt surely die," Genesis 2:17) is identified as the first teaching of natural immortality. It forms the philosophical basis for all subsequent spiritistic deception.


3. If Souls Are Immortal, Then "Spirits" of the Dead Are Real. Accepting natural immortality reinterprets the state of the dead. The Bible says the dead are unconscious (Ecclesiastes 9:5-6,10; Psalm 146:4). If, however, the dead are alive as disembodied spirits, then communication with them becomes possible. This opens the door to:

• Deuteronomy 18:10-12: Necromancy (consulting with the dead) is explicitly condemned as an abomination.
• Isaiah 8:19-20: "Should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?" The counsel is to seek the law and testimony of God, not spirits.

4. Demonic Apparitions Masquerade as Immortal Souls. Since the dead are truly asleep in Christ ( 1 Thessalonians 4:13-16 ) or reserved for judgment, any appearing "spirit" is not a human soul. This leads to the understanding that such manifestations are demonic impersonations:

• 2 Corinthians 11:13-15: Satan and his angels transform themselves into "ministers of righteousness" and "an angel of light." They can impersonate departed loved ones or holy figures.
• 1 Timothy 4:1: In latter times, some will depart from the faith, giving heed to "seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils."

5. This Foundation Enables False Miracles and End-Time Deception. The final great deception will utilize this accepted belief in natural immortality to validate counterfeit miracles and manifestations:

• Revelation 16:13-14: Unclean spirits like frogs, working miracles, go forth to the kings of the earth to gather them to battle.
• 2 Thessalonians 2:9-10: The coming of the lawless one is "after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders... because they received not the love of the truth."
• Revelation 18:23: By thy sorcery (pharmakeia – often linked to spiritism) were all nations deceived.

Conclusion: To accept natural immortality is to reject the biblical definition of death as a sleep and to accept the serpent's first lie. This provides the necessary framework for spiritualism to be viewed as legitimate communication with the departed, rather than recognized as demonic impersonation. It thereby forms the foundational error that makes the "miraculous" signs and apparitions of end-time deception credible, directly opposing the truth that immortality is found solely in Christ through resurrection.

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[Rob7]

Now we have a choice to choose, Self, includes other flesh people. God or Satan himself.
I choose God to lead, not me or anyone or anything else, anyone else?

Wouldn't you agree that there are only TWO choices?
Jeremiah 17:9
“The heart is deceitful above all things, And desperately wicked; Who can know it?

It's either Satan's way, or God's Way (Jesus) There is no third way. For ALL "man's WAY" is selfishness & sin... Naturally, Satan's Way

1 Corinthians 2:14-16 "But the natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness to him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. But he that is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. For who has known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ." ~~> Christ and HIS Righteousness.

1 John 2:16
"For all that is in the world—the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life—is not of the Father but is of the world."

I know by God through the Bible messages from Genesis to Revelations that God loves us all. A Gigantic Love letter from Father in risen Son for. us all. Seeing no one can enter Heaven unless Perfect, and no one is perfect but God.
So God, sent Son to go to a willing death to reconcile us all as Forgiven, as if never sinned 2 Cor 5:16-20

AMEN !!
Jesus paid the penalty of our sin , which is death.. wiping our transgressions clean... We are born again, a new creature IN CHRIST,
BUT we STILL have that "Carnal Nature", the propensity to sin.. in us, that we have to overcome daily. We can ONLY overcome by having Christ and His Righteousness, IN US. Gal 2:20, 2 Cor 5:17
John 16:33
"These things I have spoken to you, that in me you might have peace. In the world you shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

We still have to CHOOSE, EVERYDAY ~~> Jesus' Way, The Truth of obedience to the Father God ... OR Satan's Way ~~> Lust for the world and disobedience to the Will of the Father, & His 10 Commandments. "...Choose ye this day whom you will serve" Joshua 24:15

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[homwardbound]

We still have to CHOOSE, EVERYDAY ~~> Jesus' Way, The Truth of obedience to the Father God ... OR Satan's Way ~~> Lust for the world and disobedience to the Will of the Father, & His 10 Commandments. "...Choose ye this day whom you will serve" Joshua 24:15

I die daily , I get buffeted as needed to be buffeted from a messenger of Saran
2 Cor 12:7-10
I am God Father's vessel to be used as Father sees fit for me to say and or do, the same as Jesus did, in his earth walk to us all first. That now and forever is done by Son. John 19:30, once for us all. God did it, I accept it, I stand in belief to it, I trust God in all things good or bad that happen to me, will you and all others that choose to believe God too?

"If", I am focused on do I believe God, I have to repent again and again, I am doing right for God, yet, then there is doubt in me about me doing right. That puts all flesh in the way, and people are not seeing the new person they are called to be and are not doing the new are they, not me anyways? To focus on the Law to do the Law perfectly, keeps people in Sin as is what happened to Saul before being Paul, born new in God's spirit and Truth, dead to flesh, alive to God daily. John 4:23-24
Why does that happen? because I am focused on me, having to be good enough
So I have doubt in my way with the "IF" as in Isaiah 7:1-9 focusing on verse 9
God saying I will not establish you "IF" you doubt me. So turn the If into Since, stand in belief no matter what. It is not about people being good enough, since no one is but Son for them.
Trusting God for anyone reading this to get it, thank you Father. Growing in grace Hebrews 5:12- Chapter 6. Hebrews 4:9-13

 

[Solitude]

1 Timothy 4:3
For there shall be a time, when they will not endure sound doctrine; but, according to their own desires, they will heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears:

 

[homwardbound]

1 Timothy 4:3
For there shall be a time, when they will not endure sound doctrine; but, according to their own desires, they will heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears:

That is happening today, God for me is number one and people to this day are confused in their first births of flesh and blood, I was and could happen again, I trust Father to reveal to me truth no matter what, and has to this day so far never forsaken me or anyone else either, even though others think God has. God will not ever, yet the first born flesh still does per Romans 8:3
Read from verse 1 Thanks

 

[Rob7]

@homwardbound & @Solitude

Yes ! Amen all around !
We come to have the "nature of obedience" serving the Father God's Commandments, which is His Character of Love. The same Character as the man Jesus', ... loving, kind, merciful & humble, unselfish..... which is why, by keeping our eyes on Him. we become like Him. And only by our dying daily to self, is "our self " replaced by the indwelling of His "Self" ... His Spirit, ... and by His Spirit, the power to do likewise, Loving God & Loving our neighbors, to the exclusion of selfishness & self-righteousness, by taking on the Righteousness of Christ, in our flesh.

Matthew 28: 18-20
"And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, All power is given to me in heaven and in earth. 
 Go you therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatever I have commanded you: and, see, I am with you always, even to the end of the world. Amen."

By our faithfulness of doing the Will of the Father, as Jesus did, He promises to DWELL WITH US ! Oh ! My Precious Lord Jesus, Thank You !

Galatiians 2:19-21
For I through the law am dead to the law, ( IN CHRIST) that I might live to God. I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ lives in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain. ( I so Love the Word - Amen )

"The Christian should continually realize that every moment of life should be spent for the Master. We should not live to glorify ourselves; for it would be sin to serve self. Our life must be hid with Christ in God, that every power of our being, every talent given of God, may be used to aid on the influences that are constantly flowing heavenward. It is for us to fulfill the command, “Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.” Christ must be our only master, abiding in our hearts by living faith, that we may be laborers together with God. We should seek to know more of him day by day, dwelling upon his matchless charms, till by beholding, we become changed into his glorious image. We are to keep our eyes fixed upon the Author and Finisher of our salvation."
{ RH Sept 27th, 1892 par.9}

Luke 4:8
"And Jesus answered and said to him, “Get behind Me, Satan! For it is written, ‘You shall worship the LORD your God, and Him only you shall serve.’ ”

2 Corinthians 3:18
"But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as by the Spirit of the Lord."

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[homwardbound]

@homwardbound & @Solitude

Yes ! Amen all around !
We come to have the "nature of obedience" serving the Father God's Commandments, which is His Character of Love. The same Character as the man Jesus', ... loving, kind, merciful & humble, unselfish..... which is why, by keeping our eyes on Him. we become like Him. And only by our dying daily to self, is "our self " replaced by the indwelling of His "Self" ... His Spirit, ... and by His Spirit, the power to do likewise, Loving God & Loving our neighbors, to the exclusion of selfishness & self-righteousness, by taking on the Righteousness of Christ, in our flesh.

Matthew 28: 18-20
"And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, All power is given to me in heaven and in earth. 
 Go you therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatever I have commanded you: and, see, I am with you always, even to the end of the world. Amen."

By our faithfulness of doing the Will of the Father, as Jesus did, He promises to DWELL WITH US ! Oh ! My Precious Lord Jesus, Thank You !

Galatiians 2:19-21
For I through the law am dead to the law, ( IN CHRIST) that I might live to God. I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ lives in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain. ( I so Love the Word - Amen )

"The Christian should continually realize that every moment of life should be spent for the Master. We should not live to glorify ourselves; for it would be sin to serve self. Our life must be hid with Christ in God, that every power of our being, every talent given of God, may be used to aid on the influences that are constantly flowing heavenward. It is for us to fulfill the command, “Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.” Christ must be our only master, abiding in our hearts by living faith, that we may be laborers together with God. We should seek to know more of him day by day, dwelling upon his matchless charms, till by beholding, we become changed into his glorious image. We are to keep our eyes fixed upon the Author and Finisher of our salvation."
{ RH Sept 27th, 1892 par.9}

Luke 4:8
"And Jesus answered and said to him, “Get behind Me, Satan! For it is written, ‘You shall worship the LORD your God, and Him only you shall serve.’ ”

2 Corinthians 3:18
"But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as by the Spirit of the Lord."

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Grow in grace not removed ever by God for us to willingly do that daily, as we each learn new personally and get it and share to others in the love and mercy given us to all, at least learn to. Growing up Hebrews 5:12- 6:20
thank you Father for not ever giving up on me and all others as well 1 John 2:1-27 woe is me Isaiah 6:1-7

 

[TMS]

This Foundation Enables False Miracles and End-Time Deception. The final great deception will utilize this accepted belief in natural immortality to validate counterfeit miracles and manifestations:

Agree .... Deceptions will be accepted by many Christians because they do not understand the Bible truth about the state of the dead.

The deception that people live on in another form will be used by Satan, resulting in many lies being believed.

 

[homwardbound]

Agree .... Deceptions will be accepted by many Christians because they do not understand the Bible truth about the state of the dead.

The deception that people live on in another form will be used by Satan, resulting in many lies being believed.

Only one Doctrine, the death for reconciliation first. The risen life of Jesus for new life to be installed in those that believe God, the Father of the risen Son for them.
Believe God, receive truth from God in love and mercy to all, and be new in contentment, even through any troubles too, thank you.
Be a Job, in the book of Job, go deeper and see what Jesus did willingly for us all to believe he is risen form the dead for us to be that too, presently and forever in love and mercy, in humility thank you
It is the risen Life of Jesus that saves us. It is Father that reveals this truth to anyone of his children, each in a different growth stage of maturity Hebrews 5:12-Chapter 6
Therefore believe God in risen Son for you personally too, thank you and then start to see new and love happens through you to all, God doing it not me anymore, thank you Father for this rest as in Hebrews 4:9-13 tells me I need that rest from you to be content in all things good or bad happening here on earth presently

 

[Dino246]

The doctrine of natural immortality (the inherent immortality of the soul) is seen as the foundational error

You see it as the foundational error. Your phrasing makes it sound like that is some kind of general consensus, which it is not. Unless you're quoting someone else's published material (in which case you committed plagiarism), you would do well to use less grandiose terms.

that makes spiritualism, false miracles, and demonic apparitions credible within a worldview or religion. This is established through the following biblical reasoning:

1. The Biblical View: Soul is Mortal; Life is in Christ.

• Genesis 2:7: Man became a "living soul" (nephesh), not given an immortal soul. The soul is the living being, subject to death.
• Ezekiel 18:4,20: "The soul that sinneth, it shall die."
• 1 Timothy 6:15-16: God alone "hath immortality."
• Romans 6:23: "The wages of sin is death," not eternal life in torment.
• 1 Corinthians 15:51-54: Immortality is a gift bestowed upon the righteous at the resurrection, not an inherent possession

You've mixed up the body with the soul. Physical death is death of the body. If the soul dies at the same time as the body, there is nothing left to experience either torment or glorification. "The soul that sins" and "shall die" dies at the second death (Rev. 2:11, 20:6, 21:18).

2. The Lie of the Serpent: "Ye shall not surely die." (Genesis 3:4) This direct contradiction of God's warning ("thou shalt surely die," Genesis 2:17) is identified as the first teaching of natural immortality. It forms the philosophical basis for all subsequent spiritistic deception.

This again indicates conflation of body and soul.

3. If Souls Are Immortal, Then "Spirits" of the Dead Are Real.

That does not follow. Soul and spirit are distinct, though Scripture does not clearly explain the distinction. I understand it as soul being the "mind" (consciousness, thought, will, emotions) while spirit is that part of us capable of communicating with God. The former is alive at conception, the latter is dead until made alive in Christ. Scripture doesn't give any indication that either souls or spirits of dead people are free to roam among the living.

Accepting natural immortality reinterprets the state of the dead. The Bible says the dead are unconscious (Ecclesiastes 9:5-6,10; Psalm 146:4). If, however, the dead are alive as disembodied spirits, then communication with them becomes possible. This opens the door to:

• Deuteronomy 18:10-12: Necromancy (consulting with the dead) is explicitly condemned as an abomination.
• Isaiah 8:19-20: "Should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?" The counsel is to seek the law and testimony of God, not spirits.

Because you've conflated body and soul, and soul and spirit, you have a faulty foundation upon which you've built your argument.

4. Demonic Apparitions Masquerade as Immortal Souls. Since the dead are truly asleep in Christ ( 1 Thessalonians 4:13-16 ) or reserved for judgment, any appearing "spirit" is not a human soul.

While I agree with your point in general, there is a specific case in Scripture that counters it. In 1 Samuel 28, Saul visits the witch of Endor, who brings up the spirit of Samuel. The text makes it clear this is not a demonic apparition but Samuel himself.

This leads to the understanding that such manifestations are demonic impersonations:

Which they are, aside from the case noted above.

5. This Foundation Enables False Miracles and End-Time Deception. The final great deception will utilize this accepted belief in natural immortality to validate counterfeit miracles and manifestations:

Again, your faulty conflation noted above leads to faulty conclusions here.

Conclusion: To accept natural immortality is to reject the biblical definition of death as a sleep and to accept the serpent's first lie. This provides the necessary framework for spiritualism to be viewed as legitimate communication with the departed, rather than recognized as demonic impersonation. It thereby forms the foundational error that makes the "miraculous" signs and apparitions of end-time deception credible, directly opposing the truth that immortality is found solely in Christ through resurrection.

You seem to be conflating those who believe in Christ with those who don't. Christians rightly reject spiritualism and recognize that demons can appear as benevolent beings. Wise Christians arm themselves with knowledge and discernment and therefore reject as demonic those things that are demonic.

 

[TMS]

You seem to be conflating those who believe in Christ with those who don't. Christians rightly reject spiritualism and recognize that demons can appear as benevolent beings. Wise Christians arm themselves with knowledge and discernment and therefore reject as demonic those things that are demonic.

So how do you know???

If a dead spirit, soul, being that tells you they are back from the dead to give you a message, how do you know if it is a demon or not?

Are Messages from dead spirits from God or the Devil?

I don't even need to test it because the bible states that the dead know nothing.

Dead people have no consciousness.

Ecc 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. 6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.
Ecc 9:10 Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.

There is no knowledge or wisdom in the grave, when you die there is no love or any portion in anything done under the sun..

The dead know nothing.

Nothing means nothing.

At the resurrection we gain consciousness again but from the day you die until the day you are raised you know nothing.. like a deep sleep.

Psa 146:4 His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.

No thoughts when you die.

Psa 115:17 The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence.

Paul argues that without the resurrection, those who have died are simply gone: "For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised... Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished" 1 Cor 15:16-18.

No consciousness in death.

 

[Rob7]

The dead know nothing.
Nothing means nothing.
No consciousness in death.

Thanks ALOT Brother
It's just after 2am here in middle Tennessee, USA and I woke up at just after 1 am thinking about how I was going to answer @Dino246 .
As the Holy Spirit so often does, giving me direction, ... Changing what I was going to say, to something different. I was going to say something, like what YOU presented, but was given a different approach. I SO LOVE the working of the Holy Spirit in our lives.
Thank You & Praise our Loving Father, in ALL things.

 

[GWH]

Satan told three lies in the Garden of Eden, ...
... that continue to influence our "natural man" ( 1 Corinthians 2:6-16 ), our spiritual traditions, beliefs and teachings. Particularly in the Roman Catholic Church system, with her doctrines and traditions. These false statements can be seen as the foundation of many false doctrines that have taken root in Christianity. Let's examine them in detail:

1. The First Lie: "You shall not surely die"

• Original statement (Genesis 3:4):

Satan told Eve, “You shall not surely die!” (Genesis 3:4). This was the first lie, attempting to convince the first humans that the consequences of sin (death) would not occur, despite God's warning.

• How this manifests in Catholic doctrine:

One of the doctrines of the Roman Catholic Church is the teaching of the immortality of the soul. According to this doctrine, after death, a person does not die but continues to exist in another state, such as in purgatory or in heaven. This teaching contradicts the biblical understanding of death as a state of unconsciousness, as stated in Ecclesiastes 9:5. This doctrine of the immortality of the soul is one of the foundations of Satan's lie, which diverts from the truth about death.

2. The Second Lie: "You will be like gods"

• Original statement (Genesis 3:5)

Satan told Eve that if she ate the fruit, she would “be like gods, knowing good and evil” (Genesis 3:5). This was a promise that misled her into believing she could become like God, leading to pride and the fall.

• How this manifests in Catholic doctrine:

In the Catholic Church, the doctrine of papal infallibility exists, claiming that the pope, under certain conditions, cannot err in matters of faith and morals. This assertion implies that the pope, in some sense, occupies a position similar to God's on earth, holding divine-like authority. This contradicts the biblical teaching that only God is absolutely infallible.

3. The Third Lie: "You will know good and evil"

• Original statement (Genesis 3:5)

Satan claimed that by eating the fruit, humans would know good and evil, as if such knowledge were a blessing. However, the result was the introduction of sin, suffering, and death into the world.

• How this manifests in Catholic doctrine:

Catholicism teaches that the church is the mediator between man and God, and it interprets moral truths through its dogmas. This can be seen as a manifestation of how, through their church system, people attempt to grasp "knowledge of good and evil" through human-established traditions and doctrines, rather than through God's Word.

These three false ideas spoken by Satan in the Garden of Eden continue to influence many doctrines in Christian churches, particularly in the Roman Catholic Church, and has infiltrated professed Protestant Denominational Churches. Through these deceptions, Satan seeks to mislead people and draw them into false teachings that divert them from the true path of God's salvation. It is important for believers today to remain vigilant and seek the truth that is provided only through the Holy Scriptures, not human traditions or teachings.

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Yes, the original sin was believing Satan instead of seeking God's Word.

 

[TMS]

Thanks ALOT Brother
It's just after 2am here in middle Tennessee, USA and I woke up at just after 1 am thinking about how I was going to answer @Dino246 .
As the Holy Spirit so often does, giving me direction, ... Changing what I was going to say, to something different. I was going to say something, like what YOU presented, but was given a different approach. I SO LOVE the working of the Holy Spirit in our lives.
Thank You & Praise our Loving Father, in ALL things.

While God has given ample evidence for faith, He will never remove all excuse for unbelief. All who look for hooks to hang their doubts upon will find them. And those who refuse to accept and obey God’s word until every objection has been removed, and there is no longer an opportunity for doubt, will never come to the light. GC 527.2

It is so frustrating when people refuse to let go of pride and tradition. When people will only see it one way which means they can not see the light..

I don't claim to know more, or be wiser then anyone, but when you study this subject with the Spirit, it is clearly shown what happens to the dead.

From so many angles the state of the dead is clearly defined.. but the false foundation is what destroys the doctrine for many. The way they think about the flesh and spirit and soul (Spiritualism).

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

 

[Rob7]

2. The Lie of the Serpent: "Ye shall not surely die." (Genesis 3:4) This direct contradiction of God's warning ("thou shalt surely die," Genesis 2:17) is identified as the first teaching of natural immortality. It forms the philosophical basis for all subsequent spiritistic deception.

This again indicates conflation of body and soul.
You've mixed up the body with the soul. Physical death is death of the body. If the soul dies at the same time as the body, there is nothing left to experience either torment or glorification. "The soul that sins" and "shall die" dies at the second death (Rev. 2:11, 20:6, 21:18)..

CONFLATION, noun [Latin , to blow.
1. The act of blowing two or more instruments together.
2. A melting or casting of metal. [Little Used.] ( Noah Webster Dictionary )

I didn't ... "mix up the body and soul" ... God did at Creation.
Genesis 2:7 "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."

That does not follow. Soul and spirit are distinct, though Scripture does not clearly explain the distinction. I understand it as soul being the "mind" (consciousness, thought, will, emotions) while spirit is that part of us capable of communicating with God. The former is alive at conception, the latter is dead until made alive in Christ. Scripture doesn't give any indication that either souls or spirits of dead people are free to roam among the living.

Let us see if we can come to an understand of ourselves, in relation to God, as He created us, for His purposes.

1. Mind: ( the thoughts, reason, and will )

• KJV Bible: In the Bible, the "mind" refers to the seat of understanding, thought, and intention. Passages such as Romans 12:2 ("Be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind") emphasize the importance of renewing the mind to align with God's will.
  • Romans 8:7 says, "Because the carnal mind is enmity against God," showing the mind's tendency to oppose God's purposes when it is governed by sinful nature.
• Relationship: The mind is a tool through which the soul interacts with both the body and the spirit. The mind has the capacity to influence both the body and the spirit through the choices it makes.

2. Body: ( The body is viewed as the temple of the Holy Spirit. 1 Corinthians 6:19 )

• KJV Bible: In the Bible, the body is often viewed as a vessel for the soul. It is not inherently sinful but can be misused if not kept in alignment with God's principles. Paul writes in 1 Corinthians 6:20, "For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's."
  • The body is considered mortal and temporary in contrast to the eternal spirit and soul, but it plays a key role in expressing one's spiritual beliefs.
• Relationship: The body serves as the physical expression of the mind and spirit. What the mind thinks can manifest through the body (e.g., actions, behaviors). Thus, the body is impacted by both mental decisions and spiritual beliefs.

3. Spirit: ( The breath of life given by God )

• KJV Bible: In biblical terms, the spirit is seen as the divine aspect of humanity that connects with God. In Genesis 2:7, it says, "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." The spirit is often used to describe the essence of life that comes from God and returns to God upon death (Ecclesiastes 12:7).
  • Romans 8:16 says, "The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God," indicating the deep connection between the human spirit and God's Holy Spirit.
• Relationship: The spirit is the most direct link between humans and the divine. It interacts with the mind and body, guiding a person’s thoughts and actions according to God’s will. The spirit may be enlightened or darkened based on the state of the mind and body.

4. Soul: ( The soul, the whole person, including the mind, emotions, and character. )

• KJV Bible: In the Bible, the soul is often depicted as the immortal essence of a person. Matthew 16:26 says, "For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?" The soul is eternal and is the focus of salvation and damnation in Scripture.
  • Genesis 2:7 suggests that the soul is created when God breathes life into a human being, making a living being that is both body and soul.
• Relationship: The soul is the integrated person, combining mind, body, and spirit into a whole. It is the aspect of a person that is either transformed or lost based on spiritual choices. It is deeply affected by how the mind and spirit interact, and ultimately it is the soul that is saved or lost.

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[homwardbound]

So how do you know???

If a dead spirit, soul, being that tells you they are back from the dead to give you a message, how do you know if it is a demon or not?

Are Messages from dead spirits from God or the Devil?

I don't even need to test it because the bible states that the dead know nothing.

Dead people have no consciousness.

Ecc 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. 6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.
Ecc 9:10 Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.

There is no knowledge or wisdom in the grave, when you die there is no love or any portion in anything done under the sun..

The dead know nothing.

Nothing means nothing.

At the resurrection we gain consciousness again but from the day you die until the day you are raised you know nothing.. like a deep sleep.

Psa 146:4 His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.

No thoughts when you die.

Psa 115:17 The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence.

Paul argues that without the resurrection, those who have died are simply gone: "For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised... Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished" 1 Cor 15:16-18.

No consciousness in death.

I see God is not the God of the dead. God is the God of the living, thanks

 

[Rob7]

While I agree with your point in general, there is a specific case in Scripture that counters it. In 1 Samuel 28, Saul visits the witch of Endor, who brings up the spirit of Samuel. The text makes it clear this is not a demonic apparition but Samuel himself.

I agree, 1 Samuel 28 is a significant and complex passage, able to stretch our "belief" and spiritual understanding muscles

Context of 1 Samuel 28: Saul and the Witch of Endor

In 1 Samuel 28, King Saul, in desperation, seeks guidance from the deceased prophet Samuel after God has stopped communicating with him. Saul visits the witch of Endor, a medium, and asks her to summon Samuel’s spirit. The witch appears to summon a figure that identifies itself as Samuel, and the figure speaks to Saul, prophesying his downfall and death.

Key Bible Verses in 1 Samuel 28:11-20:

• 1 Samuel 28:11-14: "Then said the woman, Whom shall I bring up unto thee? And he said, Bring me up Samuel. And when the woman saw Samuel, she cried with a loud voice: and the woman spake to Saul, saying, Why hast thou deceived me? for thou art Saul. And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: what sawest thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I saw gods ascending out of the earth. And he said unto her, What form is he of? And she said, An old man cometh up; and he is covered with a mantle. And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground, and bowed himself."
• 1 Samuel 28:15-19: The figure speaks to Saul, predicting his defeat in battle and his death, along with the death of his sons.

Relying on our Biblical understanding of Spiritualism as being an underlying deception of Satan, ( Lie #1 )
The Bible provides insight that supports the understanding of this apparition as demonic. A few key elements in the passage and related texts highlight that what Saul encountered was not the real Samuel.

• 1 Samuel 28:13-14: The medium (witch) describes seeing "gods ascending out of the earth." This description suggests a supernatural or non-human presence, which is more consistent with demonic activity than with a true spirit of a human.
• Deuteronomy 18:10-12: God clearly forbids practices such as necromancy, divination, and spiritism. If God condemns these practices, it is unlikely that He would allow the real Samuel to appear through a witch, which would contradict His law.
  • "There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. For all that do these things are an abomination unto the Lord."
• Isaiah 8:19 also warns against seeking counsel from mediums and spiritists:
  "And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?" This suggests that seeking spiritual knowledge through mediums or the dead is contrary to God's will.
• The Dead are Unconscious: The Bible consistently teaches that the dead are unconscious, awaiting the resurrection. Job 14:12 says, "So man lieth down, and riseth not: till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep."
• Psalm 115:17 states, "The dead praise not the Lord, neither any that go down into silence."

The Demonic Apparition Interpretation:

1. In the book The Great Controversy, Ellen White writes: "The Bible clearly states that the dead know not anything (Ecclesiastes 9:5). The message given to Saul was from a spirit pretending to be Samuel, but it was not really Samuel. It was a counterfeit, an illusion brought by the power of Satan to deceive Saul. The dead are asleep until the resurrection."

• Ecclesiastes 9:5: "For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten."

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[Dino246]

Yes, the original sin was believing Satan instead of seeking God's Word.

That’s not what the text says.