Baptists are certainly not protestants. They did not come out of the reformation. There was always a remnant of believers, aka the anabaptists. I'm really surprised you didn't know this.
Do protestants have a reasonable non-Roman-Catholic explanation for John 20:22-23?
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Baptists are certainly not protestants. They did not come out of the reformation. There was always a remnant of believers, aka the anabaptists. I'm really surprised you didn't know this.
odd.... I had not heard that...
AI disagrees with your take on it... I don't care one way or the other, but this is what the AI search spit out...
Yes, Baptists are considered heirs of the Protestant Reformation, though they emerged later from English Puritan Separatism rather than directly from the 16th-century reformers. While sharing the Reformation's core principles of scripture as the final authority, Baptists developed distinctives like believer's baptism by immersion, a free church in a free state, and a focus on congregationalism, according to Baptist Messenger of Oklahoma.
- Heirs of the Reformation:
Baptists emerged from the broader intellectual and spiritual environment of the Protestant Reformation and its emphasis on individual faith and biblical authority.
- English Separatist origins:
The first English-speaking Baptists emerged from the English Separatist movement in the early 17th century, a group that was itself a product of the Reformation.
- Distinctive beliefs:
They moved beyond the mainstream reformers in several key areas:
- Believer's baptism: Baptists practice baptism by immersion only for those who have made a personal confession of faith, unlike the infant baptism common among other Protestants.
- Religious liberty: They advocate for the separation of church and state and complete religious freedom for individuals.
- Congregationalism: Baptist churches are governed by their local congregations, rather than by a national church or hierarchical structure.
- Believer's baptism: Baptists practice baptism by immersion only for those who have made a personal confession of faith, unlike the infant baptism common among other Protestants.
- Connection to Anabaptists:
While most scholars trace English-speaking Baptists to English Separatism, some traditions see a link to the 16th-century European "radical reformers" known as Anabaptists, who also emphasized believer's baptism.
- English Separatist origins:
The main point is not chicken/egg, but rather that there WERE believers that did not follow or belong to the RCC.... call them whatever you will...
The reformation was the "official" splitting away from the RCC, and all the different groups settled into their own comfort zones, disagreeing over jots and tittles, as mankind is apparently destined to do....
Ive always considered them protestant. Same with Pentecostals. Any bible believing non catholic denomination i call protestant. Perhaps Christian church would be a better term? Oh well.
Those using AI are being primed for deception.
The reformation failed to return to scripture and brought forth their own heresies which all non RCC teach today such as so called eternal security claiming Christians can live in sin and still be saved.
So, you are saying that the quote that I posted is incorrect? In what way, specifically?
Were your toes stepped on, somehow? What part of the AI statement was deceptive, or incorrect?
Or, are you simply appointing yourself as the Paul Revere of internet data searches?
Do we assume from your protests that you are a member of the RCC?
What "heresies" do Protestants teach?
Personally, I know of NO Protestant group that teaches that we can live in sin and still be saved... of which group are you referring?
Never liked the term "Protestant". It give legitimacy to the Roman Catholic beliefs. The label binds non-Roman churches to the Roman church.
In my faith, I am not protesting anything. I am FOR life in Christ.
In my faith, I am not protesting anything. I am FOR life in Christ.
Just wait, you'll see.
Or you'll be too blind to see because AI is the tool the anti-christ will use to control the world.
Er now, I don't support the false doctrines of the RCC or the reformers.
Just like the catholics, the reformer were known to murder those who disagree with their false doctrines.
That's because you are either not paying attention or you are in league with the false teachers which is more likely since you obviously have no problem with the false grace teachers
As a reformer you do adhere to the false teaching that one can never lose their salvation and the the false teaching that God pre selected who would be saved both of which opens the door to religious nutjobs living in sin claiming they are still saved.
You have no problem with false doctrine and are happy to sit idly by as the false teachers (both reformed and catholic) lead people to hell as you say nothing to alert them to the fact they are being deceived?
This is what "protesting" (protestant) was originally supposed to be about - to help people recognize the false teachers as to stay away from them (both reformed and catholic)
Oh, you're a hoot.
Protestantism (capital 'p') no longer carries the original context. It's about opposition to the RCC.
As far as my behavior toward those who are in error... I go to whom I am sent. No more. No less. You know, like the Spirit gave instruction in Revelation through the sent angel:
"He who is unjust, let him be unjust still; he who is filthy, let him be filthy still; he who is righteous, let him be righteous still; he who is holy, let him be holy still.”
Anything else is a personal crusade not supported by God. A soldier too far ahead of his supply will soon perish in the field.
As a mater of doctrine we are to correct the works of darkness.
Ephesians 5:11
And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
These are standing orders for all members of the Body of Christ.
Sure, arguing gets old quick but that does not mean we should not try to correct those that are following heresy such as the reformers and the catholics.
If they don't want to hear Truth, then we move on - but none the less we should provide opportunity for them to receive correction.
Correction also comes to whom I am sent.
The current institutional church isn't able to and has no authority to correct anyone.
So when you run across these people you are called to give them opportunity to hear Truth - if you are a Christian.
Same with sinners out in the world, we are all called to reach out
They are irrelevant and not part of the conversation
Hey, HigherGospel, you'll be able to stick around a lot longer if you stop categorizing people you don't know. @hornetguy has been an very thoughtful poster who shows respect for many on here. Saying that he is "in league with false teachers" is ignorant at best. At worst it's provocative.
Actually ignorance is advocating for the teachings of the false teachers and the findings of AI which gets it's answers concerning Christianity from the website of the false teachers.
You may believe there is some general Biblical rule about to how much or how little a believer in Christ should evangelize, correct, or rebuke. I don't. We are to be led by the Spirit especially in moments wherein we are speaking or acting on His behalf.
So sure, sometimes we elevate to stage to reach the people in the back. Other times we are silent, go into our rooms and shut the door or like a lamb being led to slaughter. In every time the Spirit will instruct us in the timing and the manner we are to speak anything.
Apparently you are unaware of where AI gets it's data from - it searches the internet for answers and the internet is choked full of false doctrines in case you did not know there Spanky
So, those becoming reliant upon AI instead of the leading of the Holy Spirit are primed for deception and are being deceived.