Do we have a complete, perfect, and sufficient Bible?

[Edify]

Col 4:15
Give my greetings to the brothersc at Laodicea, and to Nympha and the church in her house. 16And when this letter has been read among you, have it also read in the church of the Laodiceans; and see that you also read the letter from Laodicea.

If this scroll was discovered & properly dated, what would the church do with it? Paul wrote it, and the church is mentioned in Revelation.

1Cor 5:9 King James Bible
I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
Where is this original epistle to the Corinthians?

Jude 1:14 King James Bible
It was also about these that Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied, saying, “Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of his holy ones, 15to execute judgment on all and to convict all the ungodly of all their deeds of ungodliness that they have committed in such an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things that ungodly sinners have spoken against him.”

9Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

Where are these scrolls Jude referenced? They are not in the OT.

For these alone I would say the Bible may not be complete.

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

...For these alone I would say the Bible may not be complete.

So then, we are disobedient 'because' of what "we do not have," or
obedient with "what we do have Written"?:

"...Man shall not live by bread alone, but by Every Word That​

Proceedeth Out Of The Mouth Of God" (Matthew 4:4; Luke 4:4 AV)​

(cp 2 Corinthians 4:6 AV)​

eh?

 

[John146]

Col 4:15
Give my greetings to the brothersc at Laodicea, and to Nympha and the church in her house. 16And when this letter has been read among you, have it also read in the church of the Laodiceans; and see that you also read the letter from Laodicea.

If this scroll was discovered & properly dated, what would the church do with it? Paul wrote it, and the church is mentioned in Revelation.

1Cor 5:9 King James Bible
I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
Where is this original epistle to the Corinthians?

Jude 1:14 King James Bible
It was also about these that Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied, saying, “Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of his holy ones, 15to execute judgment on all and to convict all the ungodly of all their deeds of ungodliness that they have committed in such an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things that ungodly sinners have spoken against him.”

9Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

Where are these scrolls Jude referenced? They are not in the OT.

For these alone I would say the Bible may not be complete.

The bible is not an exhaustive book on God, but it contains everything we need to know from God. If we needed it, it would be in the bible.

John 21:
24 This is the disciple which testifieth of these things, and wrote these things: and we know that his testimony is true.
25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.

 

[Edify]

So then, we are disobedient 'because' of what "we do not have," or
obedient with "what we do have Written"?:

I would have thought you of all people would know the answer. God's grace is enough.

 

[JohnDB]

Chicago Statement of Biblical Innerrancy?

https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/themelios/article/the-chicago-statement-on-biblical-inerrancy/

 

[Aaron56]

"All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work."

Some quote this verse without understanding; making the scriptures the actor for doctrine, reproof, correction, and instruction in righteousness.

Doing so ignores the pattern seen in the scriptures: the spiritually mature guide the immature. This "me and Jesus only" attitude is popular among orphans who want not to be accountable to anyone.

Also, the immature will find verses to support their own ideas. The church is rampant with bad ideas from scripture because of the preachers' lack of wisdom and understanding.

This does not diminish the verse above, however, the Lord gave us the Bible as an essential component of a believer's life in Christ.

 

[Edify]

Anyone remember country singer Tom T Hall? "Me & Jesus, got our own thing going, me & Jesus, got it all worked out".
Terrific example of the necessity that christian singers/songwriters should be spiritually mature & well taught in doctrinine.
EVERY ministry of the church should be like that.

 

[John146]

Anyone remember country singer Tom T Hall? "Me & Jesus, got our own thing going, me & Jesus, got it all worked out".
Terrific example of the necessity that christian singers/songwriters should be spiritually mature & well taught in doctrinine.
EVERY ministry of the church should be like that.

Take the “me” out of those statements and you’re onto something.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

What if I’m wrong? What if I go through my whole life believing God preserved his word perfectly in the KJV? What have I missed out on? But what if it is the preserved word of God?

Imagine if God required believers to learn Ancient Greek , Hebrew , Aramaic and do intensive studies whether the Bible is dependable

It seems like rather he has made it avaialable to all so everyone can hear his word even if they don’t speak and understand Ancient Greek or ancient Aramaic or Hebrew .

seems like a man who doesnt speak English , the kjv would not benefit them much I can’t imagine God made it so everyone had to speak and underrrsnd old English either while I too trust and prefer the kjv , God made it clear to all nations the message I mean of chrirt and salvstion found in the gospel

remember when they began preaching the gospel they were speaking in e ruins elsew language they weren’t tesching then Greek or Hebrew but speaking the message in tbe langauge the people understood


If a person goes to a Spanish speaking country it’s better to bring a Spanish speaking Bible , or whatever the language even though an English person who is t multi lingual reads a particular version like kjv

gods message is alive and active and able to reach beyond limits

 

[Dino246]

There are many today who refuse to accept the fact that our Protestant Bible... is not complete, perfect, and sufficient.

I suggest you check your grammar carefully, unless you intend to be referring to yourself and your KJV-only kin.

 

[Dino246]

Whale is a great fish, meaning large. The KJV is more precise.

Whales are not fish.

 

[Dino246]

Not understanding what you are saying? Joseph understood his brother words so he knew the Hebrew language

He's getting ready to employ a logical fallacy, such that because there are translated words within the "inspired Scriptures" that a complete translation therefore is inspired.

It's madness, but at least it's laughable madness.

 

[John146]

Whales are not fish.

Says who? Modern science? Fish are creatures that live in the sea.

Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

 

[John146]

He's getting ready to employ a logical fallacy, such that because there are translated words within the "inspired Scriptures" that a complete translation therefore is inspired.

It's madness, but at least it's laughable madness.

What God has done before is laughable madness that he can do it again. Is that your position?

 

[Dino246]

What God has done before is laughable madness that he can do it again. Is that your position?

My position is that your logical fallacy does not a sound argument make.

 

[Dino246]

Says who? Modern science? Fish are creatures that live in the sea.

Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Ah... so precision is a God thing when the text is precise, but imprecision is a God thing when there's a generalization.

More double standards....

 

[John146]

Ah... so precision is a God thing when the text is precise, but imprecision is a God thing when there's a generalization.

More double standards....

Can you post scripture where God created mammals?

 

[Adelia]

2 Timothy 3: 15From infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 16All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for instruction, for conviction, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17so that the man of God may be complete, fully equipped for every good work.… I use different Bibles. This is from the Berean Standard. The first Bible I was given as a new Christian is a KJV Study Bible. it is still my first choice " go to " Bible. I do not limit the power of the Holy Spirit's direction, wisdom or guidance.

 

[awelight]

You could always recall that it is actually 24 +27 = 51 books. And 5 +1 is also 6! 66 without the last 6 means nothing. But 6 +6 = 12 means the number of divine government (hence 12 apostles or 12 tribes of Israel).

And if Scripture is not complete then you are questioning the fact that Christ gave John "the Revelation o Jesus Christ" as the very last book. So you have just three other options: (1)go along with the Catholic Church, (2) go along with the Orthodox churches, or (3) go along with the Mormons.

You left out one here. 4) Going along with the Charismatics who are still adding to the Bible daily through their prophets.

 

[awelight]

popcorn

I would have to agree with you here. I appreciate the discussion but it seems to be straying outside of what is necessary.

The KJV is a great English translation. I admire and appreciate the work that went into it. However, a translation is a translation. Only the original manuscripts are inspired. NO translation is inspired of God. Protected by God, perhaps but not inspired.

Other really good translations are the ASB and perhaps, to lesser degree, the RSV, (Here in America). The mark of a good translation is one that does not add a lot of unnecessary English words. Bibles of the last thirty to forty years, are bordering on interpretations rather than translations.

This is why studying the Bible, such as the New Testament, in the Koine Greek or the Hebrew in the Old Testament, helps one to get closer to what the writer intended. However... make no mistake... Bibles like the KJV, ASB and so on, will not lead a new convert astray about the Gospel message. Refining ones understanding, through Greek studies, helps one to broaden their horizons, as to the more difficult doctrines.