Hi @Prodigal
Well, I'm fairly new to this particular site, but this is not my first rodeo with people who seem to idolize the KJ translation as somehow being superior to other translations.
Look, the KJ translation is a reliable translation. But it is just that... a translation of what was believed to be the most reliable translation work that had gone before it ever came into existence. All of our copies of the Scriptures are translations from previous source documents. And we don't have a single piece of any original written document that the writers of the Scriptures wrote. So, everything that we have on the matter, must be accepted on faith, that it is true to the intent certainly, of the original MSS. We don't have any way whatsoever to prove that any word found in our Scriptures today was the word written down, of course in another language, by the hand of the original person who actually penned the words. So, someone who says that the KJ translation is more accurate, has no way to prove that premise.
But, unlike them, I understand, I believe, why God gave us His testimony. Why, as Paul declares, God passed down through the pens of faithful Jewish people His oracles, as Paul refers to the writings. It's all about our coming to an understanding of 'who' God is. An understanding of all that God has done. An understanding that we are all sinners and need a Savior to provide us forgiveness for our sin so that we can come into a right standing before God.
The Scriptures delineate a line of history, from the moment that God spoke this realm of existence into being about 6,000 years ago. As we follow along, we find that God was grieved with the wickedness of men. And in His anger, at one point, destroyed it all except for 8 people and some animals to restart, if you will, the program. But God relented and spoke to Noah that He would never again do that. That the earth would endure until the end that is prophesied for it.
He then called a man by the name of Abram, who lived in an area called Ur. We have no idea or understanding as to 'why' God chose this particular man. But He, in His great omniscience, did. He worked through Abram and tested his faithfulness and then began building through his generations a people that were to be known upon the earth as His people. Then for some several hundred years, God patiently worked through Abram, who he renamed Abraham, and his descendants - Isaac, Jacob and the 12 sons of Jacob to produce the nation of people who were to be known as His people upon the earth. Then Moses came on the scene and was entrusted with the very oracles of God. That's the work that Jesus was referring to when he told a group that he was teaching that his Father had been working up until that very day.
As the descendants of Abraham were held in Egypt, they became a cohesive group of people. Most scholars of the Scriptures believe that by the time God did release them from their captivity in Egypt, that the children of the 12 sons of Israel had amassed into a group at least a million strong.
Then God brought that group to the land that He had promised their forefather Abraham that He would give his descendants. But just as they rebelled against God in building the golden calf, they also rebelled against God's desire for them to take the land. So, he cursed them and sent them wandering around the wilderness for 40 years. Telling them that by the time they would next see that land, that every one of those who had at first refused to go into and take the land would be dead!! And so He did. He continued to work with them, however. They were God's only plan for mankind to know Him. But that was a plan that was going to take another 1,000 years after they came out of Egypt to come to fruition.
During that time, God caused, by His Holy Spirit, faithful men of His people to write down prophecy after prophecy after prophecy, along with just the general history of the growing nation of people that were God's people. And it was important to God that we all eventually have access to His testimony so that we might come to know the truth about all these things that He has done for us, mankind that He created. It was so important that at one point a king of Israel destroyed one of the prophet's writings that He had caused to be written by His Holy Spirit, and another exact version was written again.
But over the course of some 1,000 years, God worked with His people, and only His people, to write down His words. The words that tell us all about 'who' He is and all that He has done that we might find His salvation that was prophesied to come through one who would be the anointed Messiah. That was why God raised up a man named Abram of Ur.
After it was all written down as to what God's Spirit prodded God's faithful witnesses to write down, then Jesus came. After everything was set and affirmed in the prophetic writings of God's Scriptures, Jesus came. Everything was written down. How God had created all that exists in the whole of the universe in six days. How God had, in his anger destroyed the earth. How God then called Abram to begin building a people that would be known on the earth as His people. How He had worked through them for hundreds of years to plant prophecies that would be fulfilled to prove that He is the God that created us. I mean, God spoke unto His people Israel and told them that this is how you shall know the one true God; that what He says will come to pass. So, He took hundreds of years so that there would be no question that no man was wise enough to 'guess' these prophecies that were being fulfilled during their lives upon the earth.
But God didn't do all of that so that we would idolize His Scriptures. Just as Jesus rebuked the Pharisees and scribes that they had read all about him in the Scriptures but refused to come to him to be saved. The Scriptures, while important for us to know the truth of God, aren't the pinnacle of God's work. That was His Son.
So for me, any translation of the Scriptures that tells the truth of these things that a person might come to know the truth, accept it and be saved, is a good and valuable translation. I'll let those who idolize the Scriptures to squabble over every jot and tittle. What I want to do is to use the Scriptures, in any good and reliable translation to know about God and to share with others the truth of all that God has done that we might find His salvation and be lifted up at the judgment as a body of saints who love God and His Son, Jesus.
But you're right, I have asked for some of the missing Scriptures and how any particular piece being missing or left out or added, will affect one's understanding of the entirety of what the Scriptures teach, and I've received no response. We'll see.
God bless you,
Ted
Well, I'm fairly new to this particular site, but this is not my first rodeo with people who seem to idolize the KJ translation as somehow being superior to other translations.
Look, the KJ translation is a reliable translation. But it is just that... a translation of what was believed to be the most reliable translation work that had gone before it ever came into existence. All of our copies of the Scriptures are translations from previous source documents. And we don't have a single piece of any original written document that the writers of the Scriptures wrote. So, everything that we have on the matter, must be accepted on faith, that it is true to the intent certainly, of the original MSS. We don't have any way whatsoever to prove that any word found in our Scriptures today was the word written down, of course in another language, by the hand of the original person who actually penned the words. So, someone who says that the KJ translation is more accurate, has no way to prove that premise.
But, unlike them, I understand, I believe, why God gave us His testimony. Why, as Paul declares, God passed down through the pens of faithful Jewish people His oracles, as Paul refers to the writings. It's all about our coming to an understanding of 'who' God is. An understanding of all that God has done. An understanding that we are all sinners and need a Savior to provide us forgiveness for our sin so that we can come into a right standing before God.
The Scriptures delineate a line of history, from the moment that God spoke this realm of existence into being about 6,000 years ago. As we follow along, we find that God was grieved with the wickedness of men. And in His anger, at one point, destroyed it all except for 8 people and some animals to restart, if you will, the program. But God relented and spoke to Noah that He would never again do that. That the earth would endure until the end that is prophesied for it.
He then called a man by the name of Abram, who lived in an area called Ur. We have no idea or understanding as to 'why' God chose this particular man. But He, in His great omniscience, did. He worked through Abram and tested his faithfulness and then began building through his generations a people that were to be known upon the earth as His people. Then for some several hundred years, God patiently worked through Abram, who he renamed Abraham, and his descendants - Isaac, Jacob and the 12 sons of Jacob to produce the nation of people who were to be known as His people upon the earth. Then Moses came on the scene and was entrusted with the very oracles of God. That's the work that Jesus was referring to when he told a group that he was teaching that his Father had been working up until that very day.
As the descendants of Abraham were held in Egypt, they became a cohesive group of people. Most scholars of the Scriptures believe that by the time God did release them from their captivity in Egypt, that the children of the 12 sons of Israel had amassed into a group at least a million strong.
Then God brought that group to the land that He had promised their forefather Abraham that He would give his descendants. But just as they rebelled against God in building the golden calf, they also rebelled against God's desire for them to take the land. So, he cursed them and sent them wandering around the wilderness for 40 years. Telling them that by the time they would next see that land, that every one of those who had at first refused to go into and take the land would be dead!! And so He did. He continued to work with them, however. They were God's only plan for mankind to know Him. But that was a plan that was going to take another 1,000 years after they came out of Egypt to come to fruition.
During that time, God caused, by His Holy Spirit, faithful men of His people to write down prophecy after prophecy after prophecy, along with just the general history of the growing nation of people that were God's people. And it was important to God that we all eventually have access to His testimony so that we might come to know the truth about all these things that He has done for us, mankind that He created. It was so important that at one point a king of Israel destroyed one of the prophet's writings that He had caused to be written by His Holy Spirit, and another exact version was written again.
But over the course of some 1,000 years, God worked with His people, and only His people, to write down His words. The words that tell us all about 'who' He is and all that He has done that we might find His salvation that was prophesied to come through one who would be the anointed Messiah. That was why God raised up a man named Abram of Ur.
After it was all written down as to what God's Spirit prodded God's faithful witnesses to write down, then Jesus came. After everything was set and affirmed in the prophetic writings of God's Scriptures, Jesus came. Everything was written down. How God had created all that exists in the whole of the universe in six days. How God had, in his anger destroyed the earth. How God then called Abram to begin building a people that would be known on the earth as His people. How He had worked through them for hundreds of years to plant prophecies that would be fulfilled to prove that He is the God that created us. I mean, God spoke unto His people Israel and told them that this is how you shall know the one true God; that what He says will come to pass. So, He took hundreds of years so that there would be no question that no man was wise enough to 'guess' these prophecies that were being fulfilled during their lives upon the earth.
But God didn't do all of that so that we would idolize His Scriptures. Just as Jesus rebuked the Pharisees and scribes that they had read all about him in the Scriptures but refused to come to him to be saved. The Scriptures, while important for us to know the truth of God, aren't the pinnacle of God's work. That was His Son.
So for me, any translation of the Scriptures that tells the truth of these things that a person might come to know the truth, accept it and be saved, is a good and valuable translation. I'll let those who idolize the Scriptures to squabble over every jot and tittle. What I want to do is to use the Scriptures, in any good and reliable translation to know about God and to share with others the truth of all that God has done that we might find His salvation and be lifted up at the judgment as a body of saints who love God and His Son, Jesus.
But you're right, I have asked for some of the missing Scriptures and how any particular piece being missing or left out or added, will affect one's understanding of the entirety of what the Scriptures teach, and I've received no response. We'll see.
God bless you,
Ted
