Do We Have To Keep The Law?

[Ralph-]

1. Ralph, what purpose does the Law serve after one is born again?

"for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17so that the servant of God[SUP]a[/SUP] may be thoroughly equipped for every good work."-2 Timothy 3:16-17

2. What happens if a Christian does not obey the Law?

Assuming he is still believing in Christ, he gets corrected by God in whatever way He sees is necessary for the believer to grow up according to the verse I just listed above.

3. If you break the entire Law every single day (which we all do - yes, that includes you) how can you claim you "keep" or are "obedient" to the commands?

When I respond correctly according to the fruit of the Spirit in my daily situations and circumstances I am in violation of no law.

This is hard for you because you are still in Christianity 101 and can only understand obedience to the law as you trying to justify yourself. But when you begin to mature and can handle meat you will see that faith upholds the law in obedience, not tramples it underfoot breaking it in the name of grace as you have been taught.

 

[JaumeJ]

All the law hangs on love.

It is very easy to say love covers all the law, but do you know by Christ's
teaching and by His Example what laws are yet "hanging there?"

Too many say love, love without understanding what Jesus did and taught.

In His Sermon on the Mount He demonstrated there are laws that ought not be
observed. Withe the woman caught in the very act of adultery, He mediated
the charges so that she was not stoned to death as required by the laws of punishment, which
show no mercy. He is clear that the law should contain mercy so throw out any of those
laws....according to His teaching....you are fine. But do not go around proclaiming all
the law is destroyed, for this is tantamount to calling our Savior a liar.

He is still fulfilling the law in each of us..........we are being perfected; we are not perfect simply
because God overlooks the guilt of our transgressions.

Worship Jesus Christ, listen when you hear His voice.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I don’t know but we may be saying the same thing but using different terminology or concept or something.

I am saying if we follow the Law of Love…Then we are going to be keeping the commandments.

If we live in the Spirit then we also walk in the Spirit and we know that the Spirit keeps the 10 commandments because they are still good and holy.

I don’t think Jesus took away from them…He showed us how to fulfill them…by walking with him and in the Spirit.

Now circumcision and all that other stuff is no longer applicable. It is fleshly and doesn’t apply to the Spirit or the Law of Love. The ten still apply to the Law of Love because what are they really, but Love of God and Love of Neighbor.

That’s why I don’t get why they are even in question here.

And like someone else said Jesus didn’t take them away…He actually showed how much harder the Law of Love is and we know that no one can keep the law of love without his help and walking in the Spirit. The flesh cannot keep the law of love on its own. We need Jesus to help us, but that don’t mean we just throw ‘em out and say Jesus already kept them so we don’t have to. I’m not saying that is what you are saying here, but some people do believe exactly that.

here is the issue

Some are going around telling us we learn to be moral by obeying the law. Not by following the law of love, in other words, I spend prety much my whole life thinking on commands, I need to follow this I need to do this and that, Instead of serving others, and trying to figure out what they need.

You will also see those who claim they do not teach salvation by works or law. Yet when it gets down to it, they do, even though they deny it, that is the issue here. I hope this helps you understand better.

To a believer, the law does not even have to be brought up. If I believer is following the law of love, he will never break Gods commands, Of course we can nto do that, So God chastens us and gets us back on track) yet by me saying that, People will say I love sin, or O hate Gods law etc etc. I do not hate it, I just put it where it belongs. As a tutor to lead people to christ. Its purpose.

 

[LPT]

So jesus telling us that if we look at a woman in lust we sin, and are transgressors. And that is about salvation? Ok.

sorry but your wrong. He was contrasting the law of moses (letter) with the truth of what is really sin (the spirit)



WHat is sin? Any time you take your eyes of Jesus, or serving others, and place it on self. that is sin. NO MATTER WHAT ACTION YOU ARE PERFORMING

2 people can be doing the very same act (giving money to the poor and needy)

1 person can be producing fruit, because he did it to serve others, not for self (a work of God)

the second person can be sinning, because he is doing it to be seen and praised by others of how generous he is (a work of the flesh)

Thats why the law is useless in telling us what all sin is, because the law can not judge the inner self.

According to the letter (law) . Both men fulfilled that aspect of the law

According to the spirit. the one broke Gods command, while the other did not.

You totally dest my question, never mind it's all good, later...

 

[beta]

Um excuse me, One sin demanded death, Adam sinned once and the world has suffered ever since.. One sin and as paul said in gal 3. You are cursed by the law.

But we are no longer in the OT when one sin got you stoned...hence GRACE and Pardon in the NT giving us time to learn obedience....that is the whole purpose of GRACE.

 

[razor17]

That is absolute baloney..

Another sin! Baloney is made of pork which is forbidden in the mosaic law. tsk tsk blue lady bug, I expected more from you....smh....

maybe something like "that is absolute chicken nuggets" would have been law approved.....

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

James says it is the law of Moses:

'If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, “Love your neighbor as yourself,”[SUP]a[/SUP] you are doing right.'-James 2:8

And not only that, he says we are doing right if we keep it. But you and others say we are doing wrong if we keep it.

I don't know what translation you used, but I think it misrepresents what James said. I think he was calling the law of Moses the royal law and saying that a person is doing well if he fulfills the law of Moses according to Leviticus 19:18, ie. love one's neighbor as one's self.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Good answer, IMO I think it was more like he wanted to than had to.

True But he still had to, if he failed in one area, he would have been disqualified.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

James says it is the law of Moses:


'If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, “Love your neighbor as yourself,”[SUP]a[/SUP] you are doing right.'-James 2:8


And not only that, he says we are doing right if we keep it. But you and others say we are doing wrong if we keep it.

Yes in James he was talking about the law of moses.

Jesus was not, he said the law and prophet. The word torah was used to describe books of th ebible also. it had different meanings, yet every time it was translated law.

Context could be your friend, if you would listen to it.

 

[gb9]

But we are no longer in the OT when one sin got you stoned...hence GRACE and Pardon in the NT giving us time to learn obedience....that is the whole purpose of GRACE.

" it is by grace you have been SAVED, it is not of yourself, it is GIFT of God". your demented version of this goes this way- God gives you a bicycle , contingent on you being able to learn how to ride it. if you do not learn to perfectly ride it, then God takes it away. ( if you attempt to ride on the jewish Sabbath, it is automatic hell ).

this is not grace. this is how a legalist sees grace.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Did he say anything that 'love your neighbor as yourself' doesn't cover?

Why don't you read it.. WHy did Jesus say things like the law says this, BUT I TELL YOU, if he did not need to?

Is your main goal in life to argue with people?

 

[JaumeJ]

Hear Jesus Christ. He made all foods clean in His teacing.

He is fulfilling the law that remain in us from the moment He began His work in us until
the great and glorious day of our erection. All foods are clean when received with thanksgiving,
which, by the way makes them holy.

Do not cite individual sins if you do not know the law as exercised and taught by Jesus Christ.

Another sin! Baloney is made of pork which is forbidden in the mosaic law. tsk tsk blue lady bug, I expected more from you....smh....

maybe something like "that is absolute chicken nuggets" would have been law approved.....

 

[eternally-gratefull]

SIN is the transgression of God's law/Commandments - that is the biblical explanation...no doubt you will have a better one.

Yep it is,, Transgression of Gods commands,, Not just the law. (Gods commands are numerous and not just found in the law)

If I know to do right and do not do it, that is sin,

why do you think Jesus said 2 commands encompass all the law and prophets. He gave you the definition of sin.

Anytime you fail to put another persons needs over your own needs, that is sin. Anytime you put your needs over Gods, that is sin.

If you need a law to show you that, Best of luck to you. I will focus on when I fail to put the needs of God and others. and when I fail I will go to God, confess it, and ask for strength to do better next time.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

But we are no longer in the OT when one sin got you stoned...hence GRACE and Pardon in the NT giving us time to learn obedience....that is the whole purpose of GRACE.

It does not matter, Not one jott or tittle of the law has been done away with, If your going to follow one aspect. Your indebted to follow it all.

You can not go to people and tell them the law is still active, then say the requirement or purpose of the law no longer applies, they will look at you funny, and think your one of those crazy christians who does not really understand what they are saying.

either way, either it(the law) is active or it is not.

 

[beta]

" it is by grace you have been SAVED, it is not of yourself, it is GIFT of God". your demented version of this goes this way- God gives you a bicycle , contingent on you being able to learn how to ride it. if you do not learn to perfectly ride it, then God takes it away. ( if you attempt to ride on the jewish Sabbath, it is automatic hell ).

this is not grace. this is how a legalist sees grace.

You mean that is the way you understand it....you are saved by grace and that is it ! even though saved you can continue in SIN...no correction...no conversion...no change necessary. You obviously have not read half the Bible that tells us to turn to the Lord, repent and be obedient in love. you just rampage on as you always have for all is forgiven.
How will you ever be conformed to Jesus' image who was obedient unto death but you refuse ?

 

[gb9]

You mean that is the way you understand it....you are saved by grace and that is it ! even though saved you can continue in SIN...no correction...no conversion...no change necessary. You obviously have not read half the Bible that tells us to turn to the Lord, repent and be obedient in love. you just rampage on as you always have for all is forgiven.
How will you ever be conformed to Jesus' image who was obedient unto death but you refuse ?

and you and others rampage on and on about the Law, when the N.T. over and over that the Law does not save. so, is Paul's letters authoritative Scripture or not?? because He wrote those words above, which I take that you disagree with.

 

[beta]

It does not matter, Not one jott or tittle of the law has been done away with, If your going to follow one aspect. Your indebted to follow it all.

You can not go to people and tell them the law is still active, then say the requirement or purpose of the law no longer applies, they will look at you funny, and think your one of those crazy christians who does not really understand what they are saying.

either way, either it(the law) is active or it is not.

Yes the 10 Commandments are still active seeing they are LOVE to God and neighbour and are spiritual and eternal, holy just and good - But the commandments contained in ordinances/works have been dealt wit by Jesus on the cross Eph 2v15; Col 2v14. and no longer apply.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Yes the 10 Commandments are still active seeing they are LOVE to God and neighbour and are spiritual and eternal, holy just and good - But the commandments contained in ordinances/works have been dealt wit by Jesus on the cross Eph 2v15; Col 2v14. and no longer apply.

No.

The ten commands are still active because they STILL CONDEMN EVERYONE WHO DOES NOT OBEY EVER JOTT AND TITTLE.

Your either under law or under grace, You can nit be under both.

If your going to be under the law. your under a curse. Period. Paul did not lie

Gal 3: 10 [SUP]10[/SUP]For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.”

People are arguing against paul not me.

 

[beta]

and you and others rampage on and on about the Law, when the N.T. over and over that the Law does not save. so, is Paul's letters authoritative Scripture or not?? because He wrote those words above, which I take that you disagree with.

I never said that the law saves us ...it shows us where and how we go wrong...that is an essential part in our salvation. If you don't know what is sin how could you let yourself be corrected ???

 

[gb9]

I never said that the law saves us ...it shows us where and how we go wrong...that is an essential part in our salvation. If you don't know what is sin how could you let yourself be corrected ???

nice attempt to dodge. are Paul's letters authoritative Scripture or not? yes or no?