Do We Have To Keep The Law?

[JaumeJ]

One of my favorite commandments that I always consider a promise is, "You will be perfect for I am perfect."

Yes, I have alway considered them as promises, wonderful and pure.

have y'all ever read the commandments, and considered them as promises?

you shall not covet​

hasn't He promised, and isn't He faithful, to complete the work He began?

♥​

 

[Ralph-]

Yeah....says the guy who just called EG "slimy".

Well that's not very nice. You misquoted me to turn what I said into a personal attack. You're not getting this law thing at all. You're not supposed to be doing unlawful things like that. You HAVE to walk by the Spirit which upholds the law. Paul said we are OBLIGATED to the Spirit, not the flesh-Romans 8:12-13. By virtue of having the Spirit the believer is obligated to walk by the Spirit which upholds the law of Moses, not tramples it underfoot, because that's what the Spirit does.

And you continue to lie. I have never once said that. I have always said grace is not a licensing to sin.

Then explain to us how it is that grace makes it so absolutely nothing whatsoever that you believe about Christ after salvation, even denying him, can touch your salvation, and that not be making grace a license to sin.

You can't have it both ways. You can't say grace is not a license to sin then turn right around and say the believer can go to the deepest depths of unbelief and denial of Christ and even worship satan after salvation and they will still be saved because of the grace they have received in salvation. That's making grace a license to sin. Even most of your once saved always saved friends you 'amen' and high five don't believe that!

Says the man who keeps saying works are required.

You can't hear a word I say because you're holding a grudge (which the law says you are not to do). Ask mailmandan why works are required in the believer's life. He says they are required because if they are not present then that person is not saved in the first place. Maybe you'll listen to him.

 

[Ralph-]

Correct, there are 613 Commandments.
Which include laws of cleanliness, holiness, sacrifice, paternity, marriage, divorce, etc.

Here is the thing no one person can keep all 613, not even the Messiah.

Divide out the laws that Jesus did not have to keep (because he never sinned) and, walla, you have the law of Christ.

More or less, on average, each believer is responsible for keeping about 200 Commandments of the 613.

I never counted them but I would think it's far less than that.

This is the same redundant accusation that is made to "Law-keepers" that we are somehow trying to "earn" our Salvation.

They do that because they see any obligation of the believer to obey God and walk by the Spirit as being a works gospel. They literally can not see it any other way.

 

[posthuman]

Yes YHWH knew

Does Jesus know when he will return?

i have been told that in the ancient Hebrew marriage ceremony ((not quite what is followed today)), there are several steps: from choosing the bride, paying a price for her, and betrothing her, then a period of time before the groom comes to snatch her away, the wedding feast, then the consummation. in the time between the betrothal and the groom coming for her, it is the father of the groom who sets the date & alone gives approval for the time. i have been told it was customary when the groom was asked about the time of the marriage to refer all questions to his father - because 'he alone knows the day and hour' - even to use exactly this phraseology.

if this is all so, Jesus is making a direct reference to marriage that would have been unmistakable to anyone in His immediate audience - one that doesn't necessarily imply ignorance, but follows a ceremonial custom full of meaning, and directly correlates to the parable of the 10 maidens waiting for the groom to come at a time unknown to them, to snatch away the bride.



in Revelation 19:12 it is said He has a name written that 'no one knows but He Himself'
does Omniscient God not know this name? does Christ know something that YHVH is ignorant of?
or are the Father and the Son one

 

[posthuman]

Not sure exactly what you are trying to convey? How did you conclude that the commandments were promises?

because it is God who sanctifies and who is at work in us to redeem. will He fail?
if He will not, and it is He who is remaking me into a new creation in Himself, i can trust that He will guide me into all righteousness, even the righteousness of the Law.

see, it's not really a burden on me, but one that He Himself has lifted from my back

 

[eternally-gratefull]

what kind of person is offended by not murdering people?

Who said anything about murdering people?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I do prefer responding to your posts without your interference.

I think this about says it all, he does not wish to be confronted about the way he talks to people and what he says about them

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Oh, by the way...

It's believing in order to keep the free gift of salvation, not working to keep the free gift.

its still by your power, not gods power, so yes it is a work.

The people god saved by hs own power are not wishy washy people who believe one day or one year, and not the next, god does not give them a reason to not believe,he keeps them secure.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

That's the problem with a lot of those articles I've seen a many were people love to quote verses though fail to actually post them and give long speeches about what it means.

Lol, test all spirits, you afraid of a little work?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Please READ ALL my words I never once said the law was given BY Moses....YOU say that then make out I said it....what a twist and lie placed on me ! I will stop talking to you if you persist .

The 10 C's were spoken BY GOD to which He added no more Deut 5v22.

The comm's contained in ordinances/works came through Moses....and are dealt with .

WHO are you hearing...GOD or Moses ? perhaps you are one of those people who ''refused to hear God and only wanted Moses to speak to them ? Ex 20v19; Deut 5v24-27; Moses is dead...GOD lives !!!

Can anyone else see what she wrote and not think she said that moses wrote the others, but only the ten spoken by God.

also, can anyone else here not see that god spoke the rest of the law also? All scripture is God breathed, God spoke it all,

The 10 are not separated for you because you don't hear GOD, you only want to hear Paul and Moses....just like people did then. I gave you scriptures you can't seem to read ...you give me none for what you believe...let us see scriptures !!!

i gave you scripture which showed the purpose of the law, i told you to read the scripture quoted by paul, and written by moses which PROVE the ten are includes in that law. If you refuse to read it, thats not on me. You can start at deut chapter 5 if you wish, then keep reading, those are all the laws God spoke to moses to have him give to Isreal, demandeing they obey every letter.

as for the ten, i heard god quite clearly, i have not kept them, and because of it, i needed a savior, so i repented and chose to recieve the gift of God. You do with them what you want, but if you think you can keep them and thats all you need to do to be morrally good, your in deep trouble and o not understand what sin is at all.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Hear the Good Shepherd's voice on all matters and you cannot go wrong.

Hearing them is not the problem, i think we all hear them

properly interpreting them is the issue

 

[Ralph-]

I think this about says it all, he does not wish to be confronted about the way he talks to people and what he says about them

I wish to be confronted politely and honestly about the issues we discuss.

Can you do that?

 

[Ralph-]

its still by your power, not gods power, so yes it is a work.

The people god saved by hs own power are not wishy washy people who believe one day or one year, and not the next, god does not give them a reason to not believe,he keeps them secure.

I'm not Calvinist. I do not believe that God makes one person believe and not another by his own choice.


He gives the faith to trust Him, but he does not do the trusting part for anybody. We have to do that and we have the free will to decide if we will do that and continue to do that. That's not a works gospel. If you are sure it is you will have to show us the scripture that says believing is included in the works that can not justify. You have never been able to produce that scripture. You can't because it does not exist. Believing is not a work of the works gospel that can not save. You should know this.

 

[gb9]

I wish to be confronted politely and honestly about the issues we discuss.

Can you do that?

I can discuss without judging. can you do that?

 

[Ralph-]

I can discuss without judging. can you do that?

I can, but the problem is you do not know what the judging is that we are not to do.

 

[Ralph-]

Hey, gb9...

"Rebuke your neighbor frankly so you will not share in their guilt."-Leviticus 19:17

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I wish to be confronted politely and honestly about the issues we discu.
Can you do that?

And you are acting like the very thing you apparently are......a very immature baby in the faith still living on the milk of the word. Time for you and a lot of other Christians to grow up and start actually DOING the word of God that you like to remind the choir over and over and over again is not able to make you righteous before God.

Stop suckling on the milk knowledge of 'righteousness through faith in Christ apart from works' and start eating the meat of the word of how to keep the commandments that EVERYBODY knows can not justify you, but which are, nonetheless, required for the believing saint to perform.

You are an infant in Christ. That's why the teaching about growing up is bothersome to you and why you condemn me. You are in fact acting just like an obstinate, immature, little child chaffing against the realities of having to grow up.

EG is slimy as wet jello and will desperately wiggle out of any corner that you put him in with plain scripture but it is true that he does not say grace is a license to sin. That would be budman.

you really need to learn what it means to remove the plank from hour eye

don’t demand people to do what your unwilling to do yourself.

 

[Ralph-]

you really need to learn what it means to remove the plank from hour eye

don’t demand people to do what your unwilling to do yourself.

Are you saying that I have to be a mature believer to call out an immature believer? And that I can only call out the person who wiggles out of confrontation with plain scripture if I don't do that? Is this what you're saying?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I'm not Calvinist. I do not believe that God makes one person believe and not another by his own choice.

i am not calvamist either, and i never staed he forces people, that strawman is old, and you know better

He gives the faith to trust Him, but he does not do the trusting part for anybody. We have to do that and we have the free will to decide if we will do that and continue to do that. That's not a works gospel. If you are sure it is you will have to show us the scripture that says believing is included in the works that can not justify. You have never been able to produce that scripture. You can't because it does not exist. Believing is not a work of the works gospel that can not save. You should know this.

it is the work of god we believe in the one he sent, thise are jesus words, your argument is with him
lhe did the work to allow you to be convicted, he did the work required to offer you forgiveness, he made the promise f giving you eternal life, his work.

He als does the work to maintain your faith by not giving you a reason to doubt him, you losr faith in people who are unfaithful, i am sorry you think God is so unfaithful he can cause us to lose our faith. And if you do not think so i can only ask why you would question it,

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Hey, gb9...

"Rebuke your neighbor frankly so you will not share in their guilt."-Leviticus 19:17

ah s when you judge it s s a rebuke, when we jude it is evil

your hypocrisy and arrogant sides are showing again.