Do We Have To Keep The Law?

[JaumeJ]

Define straw man for us all..

lol, you make me laugh, you think because we disagree with you it is us, you need to look in the mirror my friend, ifnoring me will not keep you from being held accountable

 

[Ralph-]

Oh sorry, did I neglect to add the "jello" part?

You neglected what slimey like jello means to make it sound like a pesonal attack. Shame on you. I know you don't think you have to keep the law but.......you really do have to keep the law in the scripture of the law of Moses 'love your neighbor as yourself'.

Ahem, to quote: "If we are led by the Spirit we are not under the Law" (Galatians 5:18)

Sorry Ralph. Do not pass go, do not collect $200.

When you are led by the Spirit you uphold the law (the law that you say we don't have to keep) and so we are not under the condemnation of the law. That's what that means.

Because salvation, from beginning to end, is a gift. (Romans 6:23)

A GIFT, Ralph.

And so you are making grace a license to sin.

Even your Calvinist leaning once saved always saved buddies don't make grace a license to sin. At least they believe that if a person stops believing and as a result sins all they want that person is not really saved.

Romans 4:4-6 shuts that idea down every time.

As does Galatians 2:16

And Romans 11:5-6

Aaand John 6:28-29


....also 1 Corinthians 3:13-15

Don't tell me. Tell your once saved always saved buddies who don't make grace a license to sin like you do.

 

[Budman]

I will thank all who quote others to give exact quotes of them in the therads.

Do not interpret what people post and then simply type what you understood with quotations,
this is nto quoting the post , you know what it really is.

People practice this latter example all of the time when quoting our Lord and Savior, Yeshua. Taking just anyting He declares out of context without study of all He teaches they will stan on their or his own error, unyielding.


There are a few people who are so terrified of admitting we are to be obedient after Salvation that they
do what they can to dissuade people from obeying Jesus Christ when Jesus warns in plain words not to teach against the least of the laws.

Thee people do this because they do not udnerstand that the very few laws that remain are being fulfilled by Jesus christ in each one of us who have called upon Him in Spirit and Truth.

I am afraid these people who are being bandied about by every breeze and wave have no idea which of the laws remmain, but they will say they love so that is all they need to do, say they love, lots of lip service not realizing all the laws that remain are included and obeyed by love.

This means they yet exist in love, but I am afraid these unfortunates have no clue as to what it means.

Since most of these people offer largely their confused understanding of Paul's letters, I recommend they reread or read Ephesians about being obedient, and not keep leveling charges with loose quotes of Paul, for even when they use Paul's words they exclude any of his words that refute what they calim.

Be hones in your posting, and do not act as if you are quoting a post even when you have beeninvited to do so, that is quote a post, but instead change it around adding your own quotes..........that is a very dishonest practice..

Put yourself back under the Law if you like, but I'd rather not be cursed: (Galatians 3:10-12)

We are to live by faith, and the Law is not based on faith. (Galatians 3:23-25)

 

[JaumeJ]

There is a great chasm between obeying Jesus Christ under His turnstile and grace, and being under the law.....

Put yourself back under the Law if you like, but I'd rather not be cursed: (Galatians 3:10-12)

We are to live by faith, and the Law is not based on faith. (Galatians 3:23-25)

 

[JaumeJ]

lol......that word, turnstile was an autocorrect which I could not see......it should be tutelage.

 

[JaumeJ]

All of you who seem to think we are not to adhere to Jesus Christ's own teaching on the law may cease from
bringing empty words with no basis to the forum.

Unless you quote our Lord with all of His teaching in heart, mind and spirit, I am afraid you will always be lawless, and disobedient.

 

[Ralph-]

Put yourself back under the Law if you like, but I'd rather not be cursed: (Galatians 3:10-12)

You don't realize that not obeying the law through faith in Christ is what causes you to be cursed. Obeying the law does not do that. Obeying the law shows that you have the righteousness of God through faith in Christ.

You think obedience is you trying to justify yourself, and disobedience is you not trying to justify yourself. This is the horrible doctrine that is destroying the visible church in this end time before Christ returns.

We are to live by faith, and the Law is not based on faith. (Galatians 3:23-25)

Justification through works of the law is what is not based on faith.

Faith as the way to justification is entirely opposed to and different than justification through works of the law.

That's what Paul is saying. Read it.

 

[Ralph-]

James never said that. He said that we fulfill the law of Moses by loving others as ourselves.

How do you fulfill the royal law found in scripture (the law of Moses) without keeping it?

 

[Gabriel2020]

You got that right James,

 

[Budman]

You neglected what slimey like jello means to make it sound like a pesonal attack

Sorry, I took "Eternally Grateful is slimy like Jello" to mean "slimy like Jello".

My mistake.

I know you don't think you have to keep the law but.......you really do have to keep the law 'love your neighbor as yourself'.

I love you enough to point out your hypocrisy in the hopes you'll change.

When you are led by the Spirit you uphold the law that you say we don't have to keep and so we are not under the condemnation of the law.

Let's see what it says exactly: "If we are led by the Spirit, we are not under the Law"

Hmmmm, it seems to say if the Spirit leads us, we're not under the Law.

How strange.

And so you are making grace a license to sin.

Even your Calvinist leaning once saved always saved buddies don't make grace a license to sin. At least they believe that if a person stops believing and as a result sins all they want that person is not really saved.

Nope. Once again, grace is not a license to sin. How many times have a said that now? A hundred?

I've lost count.

As I've lost count of the number of times you've lied by saying I believe that.

Oh, and salvation is still a gift, Ralph.

Don't tell me. Tell your once saved always saved buddies who don't make grace a license to sin like you do.

*sigh*

Careful Ralph, you're gonna give yourself an aneurysm.

 

[JaumeJ]

Thanks for putting that into words, succinct.

How do you fulfill the royal law found in scripture (the law of Moses) without keeping it?

 

[Gabriel2020]

If we are not walking in the fashion, and talking in the fashion as he did, then we would be children of disobedience. When you talk to other people ,it should be Jesus talking through you in all things. The very same way God spoke through Jesus.

 

[JaumeJ]

The following is from the Word........ You obey your parents in this age........so why do you not want to obey the Father.

You do know Jesus is our Father, right? (I may get flack on this one, but it is in the Word, everywhere.)

Good night from over here, or Buenas Noches. I want you all to be in the Kingdom......ñbut you probably do not believe it......God bless..j

 

[Budman]

You don't realize that not obeying the law through faith in Christ is what causes you to be cursed.

"Did you receive the Spirit by observing the Law, or by believing what you heard? Are you so foolish? After beginning with the Spirit, are you now trying to attain your goal by human effort?" (Galatians 3:2-3)

You make this way too easy, Ralph.

You think obedience is you trying to justify yourself, and disobedience is you not trying to justify yourself.

Once again...

"Clearly, no one is justified before God by the Law, because the righteous will live by faith. The Law is not based on faith;" (Galatians 3:11-12)

We are not justified before God by the works of the Law, only before men.

Like I said, too easy.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

How do you fulfill the royal law found in scripture (the law of Moses) without keeping it?

You're just playing with words for some reason. The royal law (the law of Moses) is fulfilled by doing Leviticus 19:18. That verse is not the law of Moses. It is one commandment of many commandments in that law. Jesus took that one commandment and made it the law of the new covenant.

However, if you fulfill the royal law [the law of Moses] according to the scripture [verse Leviticus 19:18, i.e., ], “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well. James 2:8​

 

[Budman]

You do know Jesus is our Father, right? (I may get flack on this one, but it is in the Word, everywhere.)

The Bible says Jesus is our brother.

What verses say He is our Father?

 

[Ralph-]

"Did you receive the Spirit by observing the Law, or by believing what you heard? Are you so foolish? After beginning with the Spirit, are you now trying to attain your goal by human effort?" (Galatians 3:2-3)

You make this way too easy, Ralph.



Once again...

"Clearly, no one is justified before God by the Law, because the righteous will live by faith. The Law is not based on faith;" (Galatians 3:11-12)

We are not justified before God by the works of the Law, only before men.

Like I said, too easy.

Even your Calvinist once saved always saved buddies say that the person living in disobedience to God means they are not saved.

 

[Ralph-]

You're just playing with words for some reason. The royal law (the law of Moses) is fulfilled by doing Leviticus 19:18. That verse is not the law of Moses. It is one commandment of many commandments in that law. Jesus took that one commandment and made it the law of the new covenant.

However, if you fulfill the royal law [the law of Moses] according to the scripture [verse Leviticus 19:18, i.e., ], “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well. James 2:8​

How are you missing it?

James said you have to keep the other laws in the law of Moses, like 'do not show favoritism', in order to be fulfilling/keeping the law 'love your neighbor as yourself.

He is addressing, exactly, the same thinking that is presently destroying the visible church-the thinking that all you have to do is 'love your neighbor as yourself' not knowing that you do that by keeping all the other laws (through the power of the Spirit, of course, so don't even bother going there).

 

[Budman]

Even your Calvinist once saved always saved buddies say that the person living in disobedience to God means they are not saved.

Do you still disobey, Ralph?

Do you still sin every day?

Yes.

Yes, you do, Ralph.

How many sins attributed to you will damn you, Ralph?

One.

Just one, Ralph.

That's why salvation is a gift.

Through and through.

 

[Ralph-]

Do you still disobey, Ralph?

Do you still sin every day?

Yes.

Yes, you do, Ralph.

How many sins attributed to you will damn you, Ralph?

One.

Just one, Ralph.

That's why salvation is a gift.

Through and through.

Ah,yes.....how predictable.

I knew you'd go here again.

You didn't get it the other times I explained it. Are you going to this time?


Why don't you ask your Calvinist once saved always saved buddies what THEY mean when they say the person living in sin is not saved? You won't listen to me because you're holding a grudge against me, but maybe you'll be able to hear what they have to say.