Do We Have To Keep The Law?
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Every time the Father says in the OT that He is our husband, He is our Savior, and He is our King it is God speaking of Jesus, Himself, the Father.
In Isaiah 9:6 , the Child to be born to us (Jesus) is to be called Everlasting Father, Prince of Peach, Counselor and more. The three I included here are names of the Father, the Son and the HOly Spirit. It also says He is called Almighty God.
There are dozens of other references to our Savior as Yahweh, but I am not going to look them all up, you may if yo wish,
NO! I do not claim to undersand the entire mystery of our Father's Being, but I do believe what He has given His prophets.
Jesus is wonderful, amen. Yes, I am not in bed yet . I was an hour ahead of myself.
In Isaiah 9:6 , the Child to be born to us (Jesus) is to be called Everlasting Father, Prince of Peach, Counselor and more. The three I included here are names of the Father, the Son and the HOly Spirit. It also says He is called Almighty God.
There are dozens of other references to our Savior as Yahweh, but I am not going to look them all up, you may if yo wish,
NO! I do not claim to undersand the entire mystery of our Father's Being, but I do believe what He has given His prophets.
Jesus is wonderful, amen. Yes, I am not in bed yet . I was an hour ahead of myself.
The Bible says Jesus is our brother.
What verses say He is our Father?
I believe he is pointing out they have demonstrated Calvinist views. You know, if it is white and it comes in a bottle etc.
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Ah,yes.....how predictable.
I knew you'd go here again.
You didn't get it the other times I explained it. Are you going to this time?
Why don't you ask your Calvinist once saved always saved buddies what THEY mean when they say the person living in sin is not saved? You won't listen to me because you're holding a grudge against me, but maybe you'll be able to hear what they have to say.
Budman, you're not going to win anybody over here with your Hypergrace doctrine. Not even Calvinist once saved always saved people believe that you can live anyway you want and still be saved. I respect their argument. I have ZERO respect for yours.
The old "lifestyle" argument? Or "pattern" of sin?
Well, if you sin every day (which you do) that is called a "pattern", Ralph.
That's why salvation is a gift.
A gift, Ralph.
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Don't tell me, tell your Calvinist once saved always saved buddies who don't agree with you.
Oh, and don't miss the edit I added to my other post.
If he's going to call them Calvinists, he'd better be sure they've said they are. If not, he is once again, lying.
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They believe in the once saved always saved part of Calvinism (some are full Calvinist).
You explain to them why the person living unchanged in sin is born again. Calvinistic once saved always saved says they are not. You seem to have not realized that. Take it up with them.
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Everybody who believes in the 'P' in TULIP believes that a person MUST obey the commands of God or else they are not really born again.
This one?
Then they are not "once saved, always saved" believers, are they?
Amazing you can't see your contradictions.
Rather sad you work so hard for what is offered you free. That you insist on paying for a gift.
What you are saying here is that you are giving people the idea that they can continue in their sins and have no relationship with Jesus ,just so long as they believe he is the saviour. You encourage sin to people, and don't encourage them to fight it. Jesus told us to resist the devil and he will flee from us., and if that is not fighting against sin, then I don't know what is.. He told the adultress woman to go her way and sin no more unless something worse would happen to her. That statement still stands today
That's exactly what James isn't saying. He is saying if you keep that one commandment in the law of Moses (Leviticus 19:18), you are doing well.
It's not a matter of following those other commandments of the law (as you say), but of following that one commandment and using all of the other commandments for instruction in what love is.
Just that term alone, once saved always saved, is a very nasty way of saying thanks to our Savior.
He did not save me for me to continue in sin.....that is habitually. I am aware that my sinful ways ae being done away with by Christ fulfilling the law within me, but the osas folks call this being under the law.
If Jesus christ is fulfilling the laws in me, hwo can I be under the law, I have chosen to obey all He teaaches as best He gives me because I know He is truth..........not I, He. We are here asking all to hear Him, amen.
He did not save me for me to continue in sin.....that is habitually. I am aware that my sinful ways ae being done away with by Christ fulfilling the law within me, but the osas folks call this being under the law.
If Jesus christ is fulfilling the laws in me, hwo can I be under the law, I have chosen to obey all He teaaches as best He gives me because I know He is truth..........not I, He. We are here asking all to hear Him, amen.
Which, for the hundred and second time, I don't believe.
How many sins were paid for by Jesus, Ralph?
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Actually, they are once saved always saved, budman-the traditional Calvin version of it. Ask them.
And have them explain to you that the believer must obey the commands of God or else they are not saved, and how that is not the believer paying for the free gift of salvation.
Like I say, you're not going to win any converts to your rouge 'hyper' grace doctrine around here.
Oh, I see. So if they believe a single part, they're all in.
Ridiculous.
And as far as the "unchanged in sin" part - how many times do you sin a day, Ralph?