Do We Have To Keep The Law?

[Studyman]

Mmm-kaaay. So she never sinned again after that - got it.

Tell me, do you still sin?

First, I never said she never ever sinned after that. You did. I said I'll bet she never committed Adultery, and I also believe she followed His Lead, as did Abraham, and Zechariahs, and Caleb, and Abel, and Joshua and Paul and Peter and grew up into the Lord as a Faithful daughter, as these others grew in the Lord as faithful sons.

I'm sure she had religious people telling her she couldn't do what God told her to do just like they did to Caleb and Paul, and everyone else who puts their hands to the plow as it is to this day.

As for me, I already answered your question. Not as though I am already made perfect, but with each day I look forward to the High Calling of the Word which became Flesh, who shed His perfect Blood for me. Not looking back on past mistakes, but as did the Christ, I have learned respect and obedience by the rebukes and lessons I have endured. I know and am assured He will finish His Work in me and am comforted in the Inspired Words of my Brother Paul;

57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.

 

[Studyman]

I agree. however, since the text does not give us any more about the woman, it is wise not to assume either way.

I agree. I'm not going to assume she continued her same lifestyle of disobedience after Jesus saved her and gave her the same instructions He has been giving His people since Cain and Abel. If Abraham and Caleb and Zechariahs can "followed Me fully",(As it is written) I have no reason to believe the Adulterous couldn't do the same thing.

Do you?

 

[JaumeJ]

Many times when Jesus asked someone to keep His work on the q.t. the person would go out and spread His fame around the land making Him more and more wanted by the many.......

Jesus ha done a few outstnding works using me, and I tell you it is impossible not to give Him glory. He is great and good, amen.

 

[gb9]

I agree. I'm not going to assume she continued her same lifestyle of disobedience after Jesus saved her and gave her the same instructions He has been giving His people since Cain and Abel. If Abraham and Caleb and Zechariahs can "followed Me fully",(As it is written) I have no reason to believe the Adulterous couldn't do the same thing.

Do you?

I believe that if she sinned again, and asked for forgiveness, she would have been forgiven. when Peter asked Jesus about 7 fold forgiveness , Jesus answered him 70 x 7.

 

[JaumeJ]

Have you seen the post on the possibility of cammands actually being promises? I see it so when Jesus instructs mere flesh, His creations, to sin no more. I hear Him.

 

[Studyman]

I believe that if she sinned again, and asked for forgiveness, she would have been forgiven. when Peter asked Jesus about 7 fold forgiveness , Jesus answered him 70 x 7.

If a person is truly repentant they won't do that wrong again. Another maybe, but rarely the same wrong.

for instance, If you break into my house and steal money, and I catch you. If you said you were sorry and would never break into my house again, that is called repentance. Can you argue with that?

But what are "Works worthy of repentance"? Wouldn't that be you never breaking into my house again?

What if you did break in again and steal money and I catch you? Would I forgive you again? If you said you were sorry, and wouldn't do it again, then yes, I would forgive you again for that sin.

But what if you did it again the very next week? How long would it take for me to learn you are a liar, and that you really didn't repent, you just lied to me to deceive me into dropping my guard. Am I to forgive you this time?

This is called "Practicing iniquity" and there isn't any forgiveness for this tradition according to the Bible.

Luke 13:5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

As Paul taught;

19 Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision:
20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they (ALL) should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

A child learns obedience the same way the Bible says Jesus learned obedience, "through the things they suffered". A child has to learn a lot of stuff to be an adult. They over come one fault "Peeing in their clothes", and move on to another, "Throwing tantrums". Paul said this life is a "RACE". A race has a start and a finish.

The gentiles in Acts 15 were "learning obedience" and do all God's People. That is why Peter and James kept them away from the Religious Jews who were "practicing iniquity" and towards the Word's of Moses which were given him by the Word which became Flesh.

This example of "Growing in the Grace and the knowledge of the Lord" is evident throughout the entire Bible. IMO.

 

[Ralph-]

Tell me, what's the tipping point on the works? Ten a day? If I only do nine is that a sure sign I'm not saved?

Define "living" for God, Ralph. Tell us all exactly what is needed to convince you one is saved.

I've explained this to you at least three times already and you could not hear a word I said (because you are holding a grudge against me). And since EG and I are in agreement about this particular point I will let him explain it to you. I figure you will listen to him since you both believe in 'once saved always saved' and have been liking each other's posts. So, ask him. See what he says.

 

[posthuman]

Seventy times seven times.


So what is "practicing iniquity" in light of the actual math?

Is 490 a rigid delineation? You commit the same sins 489 days in a row, and rue it each time, that's okay, but 491 sins? No way?

Yet you say you judge a man after just a few weeks. Hmm.

 

[Ralph-]

Seventy times seven times.


So what is "practicing iniquity" in light of the actual math?

Is 490 a rigid delineation? You commit the same sins 489 days in a row, and rue it each time, that's okay, but 491 sins? No way?

Yet you say you judge a mam after just a few weeks.

EG believes in 'once saved always saved' and believes that the person who does not live for God is not saved. Ask him. Ask Mailmandan, too.

 

[posthuman]

Seventy times seven times.


So what is "practicing iniquity" in light of the actual math?

Is 490 a rigid delineation? You commit the same sins 489 days in a row, and rue it each time, that's okay, but 491 sins? No way?

Yet you say you judge a man after just a few weeks. Hmm.

Excuse me, I said studydude stops forgiving after several weeks. My mistake:

But what if you did it again the very next week? How long would it take for me to learn you are a liar, and that you really didn't repent, you just lied to me to deceive me into dropping my guard. Am I to forgive you this time?

This is called "Practicing iniquity" and there isn't any forgiveness for this tradition according to the Bible.

After only one week he feels justified in becoming our judge and refusing to forgive.

???

 

[gb9]

Seventy times seven times.


So what is "practicing iniquity" in light of the actual math?

Is 490 a rigid delineation? You commit the same sins 489 days in a row, and rue it each time, that's okay, but 491 sins? No way?

Yet you say you judge a man after just a few weeks. Hmm.

I know that 70 x 7 is a metaphor for perfect forgiveness, 7 being the Biblical symbol of perfection, I was talking to studyman, so I kept it simple.

 

[1ofthem]

I believe that if she sinned again, and asked for forgiveness, she would have been forgiven. when Peter asked Jesus about 7 fold forgiveness , Jesus answered him 70 x 7.

Well, I don't know if anyone that was truly saved by Jesus would continue to commit adultery over and over...but I do think if she had keep right on committing adultery she would have suffered serious consequences for it...

Jesus told the one guy that he healed to go and sin no more unless a worse thing come upon him...

John 5:14
Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.

 

[JaumeJ]

I have always forgiven because I feel I am so wretched I must. Of course I would not truly know to do so if Idid not know how Jesus Christ forgave His tormentors and all mankind from the cross. Oh how that keeps me forgiving. and all who love Him I am sure.

I know we are to forgive all their trespasses but not pray for them in the sense of supporting their sin, because if we support anyone in evil we are participating in it also..........so, as so many say love the sinner, hate the sin....this is true.

 

[posthuman]

Do to others as you would have done to you.

Would you like for God to refuse mercy after 7 days?

How would you like to be forgiven?

That is how i approach the question.

 

[posthuman]

If a person is truly repentant they won't do that wrong again. Another maybe, but rarely the same wrong.

This Mormon view of repentance does not at all jive with the scripture. How can Peter ask about a hypothetical man repenting 7 times if any two instances of the same sin means there was no repentance at all?

Repentance is a mental / spiritual act, not a physical one. This is how 'works meet for repentance' is able to make sense. Under your LDS definition, studydude, it doesn't.

 

[Studyman]

Seventy times seven times.


So what is "practicing iniquity" in light of the actual math?

Is 490 a rigid delineation? You commit the same sins 489 days in a row, and rue it each time, that's okay, but 491 sins? No way?

Yet you say you judge a man after just a few weeks. Hmm.

Once again you purposely distort what I said. There is no forgiveness without repentance. True repentance requires work (Not breaking into my house and stealing again). Of course an unrepentant Thief and a liar would want to continue their sin as long as they could deceive their way in doing so.

The fact that you don't seem capable of understanding this explains a lot about your preaching.

 

[BillG]

I agree. I'm not going to assume she continued her same lifestyle of disobedience after Jesus saved her and gave her the same instructions He has been giving His people since Cain and Abel. If Abraham and Caleb and Zechariahs can "followed Me fully",(As it is written) I have no reason to believe the Adulterous couldn't do the same thing.

Do you?

The thing is that under the law Jesus could not condemn the adulteress woman.

Anyway how you doing?

 

[Studyman]

Excuse me, I said studydude stops forgiving after several weeks. My mistake:




After only one week he feels justified in becoming our judge and refusing to forgive.

???

Just for the record, in the example of fake repentance I gave, I forgave the guy 3 times before realizing he was a liar and wasn't really sorry at all, that he just wanted to escape the punishment of his actions so he could continue in the lifestyle he wanted.

The fact that you are no capable of understanding my post is fascinating. Maybe you should consider the following scripture.

Heb. 12:15 Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;
16 Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright.

17 For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears.

 

[posthuman]

Once again you purposely distort what I said.

really?

What if you did break in again and steal money and I catch you? Would I forgive you again? If you said you were sorry, and wouldn't do it again, then yes, I would forgive you again for that sin.

But what if you did it again the very next week? How long would it take for me to learn you are a liar, and that you really didn't repent, you just lied to me to deceive me into dropping my guard. Am I to forgive you this time?

how so?

i've read this several times and it still sure sounds like your position is that if a person repeats a sin 7 days later you feel justified (1) calling them a liar (2) judging them unrepentant (3) refusing to forgiving them and (4) you consider yourself wise for carrying out {1, 2, 3}

 

[Studyman]

The thing is that under the law Jesus could not condemn the adulteress woman.

Anyway how you doing?

He condemned the Mainstream Preachers of His time.

But He didn't condemn this woman. She must have had a different spirit in her than that of the Pharisees.

I am well, how are you?