do we or dont we follow the sabbath?

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RedTent said:
You guys talk of faith, and at the same time not keeping the Sabbath but every day the same. If you have faith in what God says, faith in the instructions that God gives, then you would know God saved a day to be holy for you, and you are to keep it in the way He instructed. If you don't have faith in God, and what God says, then you won't keep it.
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Every day is Holy and I am at rest in this
[h=3]Hebrews 4:1-3[/h]King James Version (KJV)

4 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.

[SUP]2 [/SUP]For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

[SUP]3 [/SUP]For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
Hebrews 3:19
So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.
Hebrews 4:6Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
Hebrews 4:11
Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

We are today under a new covenant
Hebrews 8:8For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Hebrews 8:13
In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
Hebrews 12:24And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.


  1. Hebrews 9:16
    For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
    Hebrews 9:15-17 (in Context) Hebrews 9 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
  2. Hebrews 9:17For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
    Hebrews 9:16-18 (in Context) Hebrews 9 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
  3. Result pages:

    Jesus died and we are put under and in a new covenant of LOVE we are not under the letter of the Law, we today are called ot be at rest 24 / 7 yet working yet not working at least no longer of self it is therefore God himself that worketh through us and we are at rest in him
 
hermanodaniel said:
Yep and even then there were times where God has led me to say an encouraging word or do a loving deed to someone that needed it! So when are we allowed to ignore everybody elses needs? Certainly not on the Saturday and definitely not on every other day of the week so how do we rest truthfully observing God's command the answer to that is in Christ! There's no way around that...
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While we abide here we Labour whether in a 9 to 5 or working the farm etc..
 
homwardbound said:
Every day is Holy and I am at rest in this
[h=3]Hebrews 4:1-3[/h]King James Version (KJV)

4 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.

[SUP]2 [/SUP]For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

[SUP]3 [/SUP]For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
Hebrews 3:19
So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.
Hebrews 4:6Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
Hebrews 4:11
Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

We are today under a new covenant
Hebrews 8:8For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Hebrews 8:13
In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
Hebrews 12:24And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.


  1. Hebrews 9:16
    For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
    Hebrews 9:15-17 (in Context) Hebrews 9 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
  2. Hebrews 9:17For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
    Hebrews 9:16-18 (in Context) Hebrews 9 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
  3. Result pages:

    Jesus died and we are put under and in a new covenant of LOVE we are not under the letter of the Law, we today are called ot be at rest 24 / 7 yet working yet not working at least no longer of self it is therefore God himself that worketh through us and we are at rest in him
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AMEN!!! GLORY TO GOD!
 
An example if someone offered me a job earning lots of money that meant working Sabbath i would decline.

i would rather have a low paid job and the Sabbath day rest.
 
The New Covenant is Keeping the Commandments of God and Faith in the Messiah.
 
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loveme1 said:
An example if someone offered me a job earning lots of money that meant working Sabbath i would decline.

i would rather have a low paid job and the Sabbath day rest.
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And that's something that God will be pleased in but the question is: who can say that we born again Christians are not keeping the Sabbath Rest? When we are actually walking after the spirit and resting in God everyday
 
hermanodaniel said:
And that's something that God will be pleased in but the question is: who can say that we born again Christians are not keeping the Sabbath Rest? When we are actually walking after the spirit and resting in God everyday
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I think we both know the answer to that.
 
loveme1 said:
The New Covenant is Keeping the Commandments of God and Faith in the Messiah.
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I agree but keeping the commands of God are not according to the letter but in newness of spirit.

Read 1 John 3:23 cf. john 6:29-29 John 13:34-35
 
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Do we go to the Talmudeans of today, or do we remain faithful to the Word of God? Why do you suppose these references are in the Book Revelation? Do you keep the commandments of God, or do you rewrite them and teach contrary to them?

Rev 12:17
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. Notice how strongly linked obeying the commandments are with faith in our Lord, Yeshua. Do not teach against obeying the commandments of God, it is anti-Christ.


Rev 14:12
 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. These commandments are the commandments of God, stated plainly, not some wierdo theory of there being words under words in the Bible. They are mentioned separate from but linked to faith in Jesus Christ. To teach against the commandments of God is anti-Christ, no more and no less. Feigned love is transparent.
 
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JaumeJ said:
Do we go to the Talmudeans of today, or do we remain faithful to the Word of God? Why do you suppose these references are in the Book Revelation? Do you keep the commandments of God, or do you rewrite them and teach contrary to them?

Rev 12:17
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. Notice how strongly linked obeying the commandments are with faith in our Lord, Yeshua. Do not teach against obeying the commandments of God, it is anti-Christ.


Rev 14:12
 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
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Jaume please review this comment I made earlier and the references I made.

"Cdavid, the commandments mentioned in 1 John 5, Revelation 22, John 14 & 15 are not references to the 10 commandments written on stone they're references to the Law of Christ. Compare John 6:28-29, 13:34-35 with 1 John 3:23. Remember context is key so when we read in 1 John that his commands are not grievous he is referring to the command given by Christ to love as He loved and John goes on to say if we don't love our brother we can't say we love God. If you haven't noticed in John 14 Jesus stated if you love me keep MY commands and in context with the previous chapter John 13:34-35 Jesus was referring to the command to love as he loves which is actually a deeper love since it requires death to our flesh hence why we must carry our cross daily. Also if you carefully examined John 15:10 you will see that Jesus stated that we are to abide in His love as he abode in His Father's revealing that the commands we are now under are His which fulfills the law for Christ's commands is to love. Jesus abode in His Father's love perfectly to the T, that is, all the commands written on stone was kept perfectly something we can never do in the flesh (sinful nature). And this is why I have made my point before that we don't serve God after the letter but in newness of the spirit. Romans 7:6 This is why Jesus contrasts over and over in the Gospels with His teachings because He is revealing the true intentions underneath. We live off every Word of God and that includes every iota but not in the sense of the letter for that understanding is veiled and is unveiled in Christ revealing the deep things of God spoke of in 1 Corinthians 2 and 2 Corinthians 3. Paul was revealed the mysteries of the Gospel and that wisdom is rooted in Christ himself for He is the Living Word of God expounding the mysteries in the written Word through the Holy Spirit our teacher. The reason we are now under the Law of Christ is because it allows to be in a position to receive from God for it requires that we die to self carrying our cross and thus being in the spirit where we can understand plainly that which we have received from God and that's all the promises which results in our glorious rest in Christ. Glory to God!"
 
The Messiah taught us how to observe the Sabbath in many instances, as He and the disciples observed the Sabbath. To teach against God's commandments is contrary to the teachings of Messiah, anti-Christ.
 
JaumeJ said:
The Messiah taught us how to observe the Sabbath in many instances, as He and the disciples observed the Sabbath. To teach against God's commandments is contrary to the teachings of Messiah, anti-Christ.
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I am not teaching against it I am showing how we must rightly divide the Word of God and take everything into context. Love does no harm to it's neighbors and fulfills the Law and believing in Christ whom God sent is necessary to being sanctified so how am I teaching against it? John 15:10 is crucial and it appears many overlook what this simple verse is saying. "If ye keep MY commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love." John 15:10
 
Please review my posts on the subject, especially the post refering to the young man who asked what he must do to go to heaven. You will see Jesus teaches to obey the commandments. They are the only ones etched on the tablets of Moses, and they are a guide to good conduct. Good conduct will never be replaced by grace only enhanced by it. And please, never come with the excuse that you know there are words under words.
 
JaumeJ said:
Please review my posts on the subject, especially the post refering to the young man who asked what he must do to go to heaven. You will see Jesus teaches to obey the commandments. They are the only ones etched on the tablets of Moses, and they are a guide to good conduct. Good conduct will never be replaced by grace only enhanced by it. And please, never come with the excuse that you know there are words under words.
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Does not love fulfill ALL of the law?
 
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JaumeJ said:
Please review my posts on the subject, especially the post refering to the young man who asked what he must do to go to heaven. You will see Jesus teaches to obey the commandments. They are the only ones etched on the tablets of Moses, and they are a guide to good conduct. Good conduct will never be replaced by grace only enhanced by it. And please, never come with the excuse that you know there are words under words.
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Jaume, God is a spirit, right? The Word He spoke where what? Spirit, right? I am sure you agree I mean who wouldn't. Ok so now when God gave us His Word it came in the form written on tablets, letters written on scrolls, orally etc. But God's Word and its true makeup never changed and is alive not bound by our limited understanding or languages of this world. The deep things of God and this is completely biblical is in the spirit where the Word originated from which proceeded from the mouth of God. This is what the bible teaches and what I have been trying to help you and others understand. The true intentions of what God meant are in the spirit and even beyond that for it's eternal one day we know completely. But in Christ we start to see clearly!
 
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When God has spoken to me, and we do not have an ongoing conversation, it has only been a few times in the past 62 years, there were no words per se, there was understanding. This is not necessary to teach to any of the members of the body of Christ, for they all have experienced this upon receiving the Holy Spirit. As for what is written, the Word, Itself, teaches us the written code is dead without the Holy Spirit to give it life. This is not some new teaching of words under words, it is a teaching from the beginning. The Word of Yahweh is Yeshua and the written Word speaks of Him from the Books of Moses to John the last of the Old Testament prophets. The Gospels teach of the fulfullment of the prophets and Moses. Of course the written word is dead, however it comes lively with the Holy Spirit. If this were not so, we should throw away the written Word, and teach each other from what we believe we know, and that is caos. My Father, Yahweh, is the God of order. His Children in Jesus Christ are the same. When our Father gave us instructions on good conduct, those instructions are for ever. Do not construe this to include ceremonial statutes and ordinance, I refer to the law of good conduct. The only thing that has been crucified of these laws on the cross with our blessed Savior is the curse of that law, that is to say the punishment and death meted out with it. Jesus teaches us that He did not abolish the law, rather, He completes the law, grace. Grace be unto the Stone the builders rejected, amen.
 
JaumeJ said:
When God has spoken to me, and we do not have an ongoing conversation, it has only been a few times in the past 62 years, there were no words per se, there was understanding. This is not necessary to teach to any of the members of the body of Christ, for they all have experienced this upon receiving the Holy Spirit. As for what is written, the Word, Itself, teaches us the written code is dead without the Holy Spirit to give it life. This is not some new teaching of words under words, it is a teaching from the beginning. The Word of Yahweh is Yeshua and the written Word speaks of Him from the Books of Moses to John the last of the Old Testament prophets. The Gospels teach of the fulfullment of the prophets and Moses. Of course the written word is dead, however it comes lively with the Holy Spirit. If this were not so, we should throw away the written Word, and teach each other from what we believe we know, and that is caos. My Father, Yahweh, is the God of order. His Children in Jesus Christ are the same. When our Father gave us instructions on good conduct, those instructions are for ever. Do not construe this to include ceremonial statutes and ordinance, I refer to the law of good conduct. The only thing that has been crucified of these laws on the cross with our blessed Savior is the curse of that law, that is to say the punishment and death meted out with it. Jesus teaches us that He did not abolish the law, rather, He completes the law, grace. Grace be unto the Stone the builders rejected, amen.
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I agree except I am not teaching or showing something new as you labeled it I am referring to specifically 1 Corinthians 2 and 2 Corinthians 3 where the Bible teaches about the deep things of God comparing spiritual things with spiritual things. These spiritual things are in the written word but not on the surface per se for it requires faith and faith is something we do in the spirit not in the physical or in the flesh resulting in us seeing what non-believers can't see and what at times other believers cannot see and we are led to love and help them see or remind them again of these promises that lie in the heart of God's Word which is unlocked in faith. I have not advocated in throwing out the literal Bible for how can we get to God's Word without it? my point is, (which is Biblical) is that God is ready to expound His hidden wisdom that was hidden since the beginning in Christ and this wisdom offends and even leaves people puzzled (stumbling block) but in Christ if we cry out for understanding we can see! Proverbs 2
 
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