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Alicja
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If you want to keep the sabbath then you should keep the other requirements like not to eat pork, seafood etc. Of course not! Now we are free from keeping sabbath.
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Laodicea
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Actually I do not eat pork or seafood. We are not free to break the Law. Grace keeps the Law.Keeping the law is the fruit of faith.
Romans 6:22 KJV
(22) But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
If we are servants of God the fruit will be holiness.
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Scribe
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Not trying to contradict but isn't the whole Born Again message, the holy spirit residing in us, never leaving, sticks closer than a brother etc...mean that we are to enter into his presence by faith. I believe in private prayer time and seeking God by faith however I have never been able to get any confidence in my faith that God really wants me to restrict m uh normal actions because of the day of the week. I feel sorry for the Israelites in the OT because you get the feeling most hated the Sabbath rules but dared not voice it. Now the real Sabbath has come and the idea of resting daily from efforts to earn right standing with God is a joyful observance. So All sincere believers in Christ are observing the Sabbath without restricting their activities.
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Laodicea
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The sabbath can also be translated as rest so these verses in Mark could read like this:-
Mark 2:27-28 KJV
(27) And he said unto them, The rest(sabbath) was made for man, and not man for the rest(sabbath):
(28) Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the rest.(sabbath).
If we put this together with the sabbath commandment then God does not want us to work or do anything for self on His day but, to rest in Him on His day. To have a whole day with Him on the day He has blessed and made holy. How wonderful that we can have a whole day for God without any distractions then this is the sabbath.
Isaiah 58:13-14 KJV
(13) If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:
(14) Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.
Mark 2:27-28 KJV
(27) And he said unto them, The rest(sabbath) was made for man, and not man for the rest(sabbath):
(28) Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the rest.(sabbath).
If we put this together with the sabbath commandment then God does not want us to work or do anything for self on His day but, to rest in Him on His day. To have a whole day with Him on the day He has blessed and made holy. How wonderful that we can have a whole day for God without any distractions then this is the sabbath.
Isaiah 58:13-14 KJV
(13) If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:
(14) Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.
The fourth commandment is one of the ten. You can't get around that. And if we want better health we are free to mind the dietary law.
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haz
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What is the "fruit unto holiness"?
1Cor 15:20
now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits
Rom 11:16
if the firstfruit (Christ) be holy, the lump is also holy
So considering these scriptures, lets re-read Rom 6:22
But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God (by believing in Jesus), ye have your fruit (Christ in you, the firstfruits) unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
It is Christ in us that gives us standing in holiness.
Heb 10:10
By that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
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Laodicea
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Genesis 2:1-3 KJV
(1) Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
(2) And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
(3) And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
(1) Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
(2) And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
(3) And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
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Clearly the word of God says to Keep the Sabbath Day holy. How are we to change the sabbath and how are we to say sabbath day is everyday by changing what God says? This is the gentile mindset. We need to put on the hebrew mindset. It is the gentiles who change the whole idea of sabbath day!
[SUP]Exodus: 20:8 [/SUP]“Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. [SUP]9 [/SUP]Six days you shall labor and do all your work, [SUP]10 [/SUP]but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates.
Exodus 20:11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it
Leviticus 16:31
It is a sabbath of solemn rest for you, and you shall afflict your souls. It is a statute forever.
[SUP]Isaiah 66:22 [/SUP]“For as the new heavens and the new earth
Which I will make shall remain before Me,” says the Lord,
“So shall your descendants and your name remain.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And it shall come to pass
That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.
and look at this!
Psalm 89:[SUP]34 [/SUP]My covenant I will not break,
Nor alter the word that has gone out of My lips.
So how are we to change what God says regarding to sabbath? Sabbath cannot be every day! It is not possible! If it was true, then we wouldn't be working! Sabbath day rest...is for us to rest from our physical body and spiritual. Focusing on God, worshipping and praying. Also....spend time with family and friends!!!. With the world today, busy 24-7....a lot of people are not focus on God nor spending time with family because the world is pressuring to be busy!!! God want us to be set a apart from the busy world, focus on him and spend time with family and friends.
[SUP]Exodus: 20:8 [/SUP]“Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. [SUP]9 [/SUP]Six days you shall labor and do all your work, [SUP]10 [/SUP]but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates.
Exodus 20:11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it
Leviticus 16:31
It is a sabbath of solemn rest for you, and you shall afflict your souls. It is a statute forever.
[SUP]Isaiah 66:22 [/SUP]“For as the new heavens and the new earth
Which I will make shall remain before Me,” says the Lord,
“So shall your descendants and your name remain.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And it shall come to pass
That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.
and look at this!
Psalm 89:[SUP]34 [/SUP]My covenant I will not break,
Nor alter the word that has gone out of My lips.
So how are we to change what God says regarding to sabbath? Sabbath cannot be every day! It is not possible! If it was true, then we wouldn't be working! Sabbath day rest...is for us to rest from our physical body and spiritual. Focusing on God, worshipping and praying. Also....spend time with family and friends!!!. With the world today, busy 24-7....a lot of people are not focus on God nor spending time with family because the world is pressuring to be busy!!! God want us to be set a apart from the busy world, focus on him and spend time with family and friends.
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If you are going to keep the law, you must keep the whole law. Now there are the ten commandments and law of Leviticus. Can you keep it. Where will you offer the lamb of Passover on an altar that is rejected. Let me show you Noah:
[SUP]Genesis 9:3 [/SUP][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]So God gave him [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]everyt[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]hing[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] to eat. So what moved we can eat. The law was given to expose sin.
[/FONT]Romans 7:9For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
Jesus delivered us from the law and we rest in Him. He is our Sabbath.
[SUP]Genesis 9:3 [/SUP][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]So God gave him [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]everyt[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]hing[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] to eat. So what moved we can eat. The law was given to expose sin.
[/FONT]Romans 7:9For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
Jesus delivered us from the law and we rest in Him. He is our Sabbath.
Yes Yeshua is our sabbath...the lord of the sabbath. samething in Lev 23:[SUP]3 [/SUP]‘Six days shall work be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, a holy convocation. You shall do no work on it; it is the Sabbath of the Lord in all your dwellings.
With what Jesus has done for us on the cross...has nothing to do to change the sabbath as to we can we in rest in Yeshua as sabbath rest. You can't change the scriptures what it says.
With what Jesus has done for us on the cross...has nothing to do to change the sabbath as to we can we in rest in Yeshua as sabbath rest. You can't change the scriptures what it says.
John 7
I want to share this, if you can search the Scriptures and see that the law of Moses and the 10 Commandments are seperate.. then you may have a better understanding the writings that you use to justify not Keeping Sabbath.
i'm willing to show you how the Ark contained the 10 Commandments in stone and how the Law of Moses was placed on the side.
i'm willing to share how the veil was torn when the Messiah gave up Spirit and how the set up of the temple was preparing the way for the 10 Commandments through Faith in the Messiah to be written within us.
Without the Messiah the 10 Commandments remain in stone and not on our hearts.
In John 7 i believe the Messiah makes a distinction for us.
I want to share this, if you can search the Scriptures and see that the law of Moses and the 10 Commandments are seperate.. then you may have a better understanding the writings that you use to justify not Keeping Sabbath.
i'm willing to show you how the Ark contained the 10 Commandments in stone and how the Law of Moses was placed on the side.
i'm willing to share how the veil was torn when the Messiah gave up Spirit and how the set up of the temple was preparing the way for the 10 Commandments through Faith in the Messiah to be written within us.
Without the Messiah the 10 Commandments remain in stone and not on our hearts.
In John 7 i believe the Messiah makes a distinction for us.
Hebrew mindset then you said it here it is:
To me reading Hebrews has been the most fantastic understanding of the new covenant after the death of Christ on the cross and what I see and understand is that Christ filled the Law of Moses for me when I came to belief I received this and was freed from the curse of the Law and freed to Love God and people unconditionally as God did and does as shown in 1Cor.13.
anyway Out of Hebrews 3 and 4 where it talks about rest and they did not enter because of unbelief in God's finished work. Man has been working at trying to get back into rest ever since being kicked out and Christ through Father has offered a gift to be there and rest in him, by belief that he opened the way, having the truth, and then one gets the life of rest while yet still working but resting while working, just as Adam and Eve maintained the Garden at rest, before the rest left, God knew that they would probably eat of the tree and blessed the seventh day for Man. Today after all the turmoil, for me everyday is a rest while I work, yes a mystery but a freedom of God's love so today Icount all things good or bad as a joy, as Peter said, Paul saidand many opther apostles said.
Yes but here is a distinction between Law and grace. Does Oil and water mix? So how does LAw and grace mix? you did a goopd job showing it as if they mix, but they do not what is the greatest of the law.
LOVE frist God in Heaven and second Neighbor as self
Where are these two at in the ten? These laws not law, laws of love are fulfillment of all the commandments, and these two laws not Law of Moses are written on the believers heart in compassion as in 1 cor 13 and all else will pass away except Love.
The ten commandments are a law that one must obey fulfill, and can't there is no love mentioned, Thou shalt have no other God's before me! Thou shalt
By Christ we have left the old behind Thou shalt and come to a new and living way LOVE, not thou shalt love as was the old and in trying could never always do and motive(s) always some how was in the way, yes Motive was if I don't love then I won't be loved or if I don't forgive I won't be forgiven the old way under the Law of Moses, work, work, work, not that work is bad, but when you are stressed out about if you are doing it right or not it is frustrating is it not? the disciples asked Jesus after seeing the rich man walk away sad not being able to go to heaven even though he obeyed the letter of the Law of Moses from birth on. they asked Jesus about this they even heard that if they do not forgive then God will not forgive them, the question they asked well Jesus how is it possible for any of us to go to heaven I am now seeing this as an impossible task. Answer with man it is impossible, but woith God all things are possible. HMMM! was he talking abut hin going to the cross and taking away the impossibilityog amking it to heaven through the Law of Moses, releasing us from the curse?
So Today under Christ the New Covenant where we are forgioven and the law of Moses being fulfilled by Christ and the Prophets included filled as proof that he did come along with all the miracles performed
Striving to obey the ten laws is like: Trying to hold ten apples down under water at the same time? it can't be done
Therefore we have a new Covenant where Christ did this for us and freed us and when seeing this new covenant of LOVE that has been given us, we LOVE back because he first loved us. WE no longer forgive to get forgiven we forgive because we are forgiven. No longer love to get Loved we Love becasue we now see we are loved. How one cannot respond this way is beyond me. This salvation under this new covenant is awesomely amazing and I know I do not deserve it nor does anyone else yet God while we all were yet sinners died for us and then rose to free us if he did not raise then the apostles are liars and we are still in our sins, but he did rise from the grave and lives forever more and he did then take away our sins that no one seems to believe because they are still tryiing to be good and seeking more forgiveness every time they sin and do not see that sowing to the flesh is continuing them to reap the flesh, whether they want to quit the flesh or not, by just thinking of the flesh traps one in the flesh and thus this keeps the sinful nature alive,
New Covenant, If the Old Covenant the Law of Moses would have purged the consciences of sin then there would have been no need for a new Covenant
Oh and Jesus was not form the tribe of Levites he was from the tribe of Judah, Hebrews 7 does a good Job explaining this a new priesthood
You have said it, learn the difference between being free of the curse of the law which is the punishment we all deserve, and being free from the law. I speak in terms of all laws pertaining to good and moral conduct. No believer is free of good conduct nor would he ever want to be. Any who teach against the least of the laws will be least in the Kingdom. This is not from the letters, this is from the Mouth of our Savior. Think and believe. Jesus teahes He did not come to destroy the law, rather to complete them. He did so by adding the grace and mercy we obtain by His presious Blood.. We have been freed only of the curse of the law, that being punishment and ultimately death for sin finds its power in the law, and the wages of sin is death.
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haz
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Good point homwardbound.
It's unfortunate that some here hold to false gospels which mix of grace and works.
Rom 11:6 tells us that you cannot mix grace and works.
if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
We all need to be careful of what we preach to others, as anyone leading another astray with false doctrine will receive stricter judgement.
James 3:1
My brethren, let not many of you become teachers, knowing that we shall receive a stricter judgment.
Those preaching a mix of grace and works of the law will receive a stricter judgement.
Consider James 3:5-12 in reference to those who preach a mix of grace and works.
See how great a forest a little fire kindles! And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity. The tongue is so set among our members that it defiles the whole body, and sets on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire by hell. For every kind of beast and bird, of reptile and creature of the sea, is tamed and has been tamed by mankind. But no man can tame the tongue. It is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison.
With it we bless our God and Father, and with it we curse men, who have been made in the similitude of God. Out of the same mouth proceed blessing (Grace) and cursing (judging according to works of the law). My brethren, these things ought not to be so. Does a spring send forth fresh water (Grace/Love) and bitter (judgement/condemnation through works of the law) from the same opening? Can a fig tree, my brethren, bear olives, or a grapevine bear figs? Thus no spring yields both salt water and fresh.
Grace and works of the law cannot be mixed.
Those who do mix grace and works of the law need to repent, Rev 3:19. They are being lukewarm and God will spew them out of His mouth if they do not repent of their lukewarm mix of grace and works..
Rev 3:15-16
I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I could wish you were cold or hot. So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth.
A Christian's works are to believe in Jesus, nothing more (John 6:29)
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This is the thing that gets me most. What bible did Abraham confirm God's word in. Seeing that there was no bible.