Do we stress baptism enough?

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Show me where Jesus said one had to be baptized to enter the kingdom of Heaven. Show me where the most known Scripture, John 3:16, says you have to be baptized to be saved. Show me where you can justify that anyone not baptized has gone to judgment...including the thief on the cross who was not baptized and went to heaven as Christ promised. What is the statute of limitations? Can you procrastinate a day, a month, a year before baptism and then suddenly you're not saved? How do you determine this? The point in fact is, as I said, that baptism is a good and godly thing, but it is not a required thing. You are not more saved if you're baptized and you're not less saved if you're not baptized. Period.

You got it;

Baptism is Required

2Peter 3: 21.... whereunto even baptism doth also now save us..
.John 3:5 .......Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Acts 2;38-....Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 22;16... And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Galations 3:26...... For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.KJV

Marrk 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

KJV Matthew 3:14... But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? 15. Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now, for thus it becometh us to fulfil all rightesousness. Then He suffered Him.

KJV Matthew 28:19..... Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:.

Acts 8:12-18: But when they believed Philip as he preached the things concerning the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, both men and women were baptized.

Quote from Billy Graham that is note worthy; ....Also, to clarify I did not say remission of sin takes place at repentance. Scripture makes it clear that it occurs upon obedience to water baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus. Each is a step of faith, along with receiving the Holy Ghost, in the process of one's spiritual rebirth.
"Paul explains the doctrinal significance of what occurs when one is baptized.His explanation is found in his letter to those who had already been obedient to the command.Paul tells the Roman Christians what actually occurred when they were/are baptized; they were baptized into His death. Being buried with Jesus into His death resulted in their sin being destroyed.Even though Paul explains this concept, the NEW AGE RELIGION TEACHING is......... that water baptism is nothing other than a mere public display.......... And that is so far removed from the truth.Keep in mind that Satan knows if he can continue to perpetuate that lie ...... he can keep people from entering the kingdom of God. Thus He has proven scripture which says ...in the end times there will be ...great delusions.....they are here.Conclusion....teaching that baptism is not necessary is violation of Rev. 22;19.... And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. 20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
(Also two other books of the Bible).
 
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Show me where Jesus said one had to be baptized to enter the kingdom of Heaven. Show me where the most known Scripture, John 3:16, says you have to be baptized to be saved. Show me where you can justify that anyone not baptized has gone to judgment...including the thief on the cross who was not baptized and went to heaven as Christ promised. What is the statute of limitations? Can you procrastinate a day, a month, a year before baptism and then suddenly you're not saved? How do you determine this? The point in fact is, as I said, that baptism is a good and godly thing, but it is not a required thing. You are not more saved if you're baptized and you're not less saved if you're not baptized. Period.
Sine God's word reigns...and is righteous....please explain how you became convinced that baptism was NOT required....what source...denomination...purview?
That will help us who are desirous of challenging the new age religion wrongful Bible interpretations.
Why didn't you test that teaching against God's word...which we must all do here in this 2022 era?
 
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.....3;16 tells us of grace for forgiveness was established by Christs' death on the cross. It is not suppose to delineate what we must do to be a benefactor of grace. Other scripture does that.

Be blessed in your study of scriptures.
 

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.....3;16 tells us of grace for forgiveness was established by Christs' death on the cross. It is not suppose to delineate what we must do to be a benefactor of grace. Other scripture does that.

Be blessed in your study of scriptures.
These verses tell us what we must do.

“Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God, and everyone who loves the Father loves whoever has been born of him.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:1‬ ‭ESV‬‬
https://bible.com/bible/59/1jn.5.1.ESV

“I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:13‬ ‭ESV‬‬
https://bible.com/bible/59/1jn.5.13.ESV

There is a baptism (immersion) that has taken place in both of these passages. It’s not a physical water immersion. It is this.

“In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭1:13‬ ‭ESV‬‬
https://bible.com/bible/59/eph.1.13.ESV

We are sealed (think immersed) in Christ by the Holy Spirit when we believe. Think about how 1 Peter 3:21 tells us it’s not the putting off of the filth of the flesh.

You can see it here too.

“For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—Jews or Greeks, slaves or free—and all were made to drink of one Spirit.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭12:13‬ ‭ESV‬‬
https://bible.com/bible/59/1co.12.13.ESV

baptized into one body = immersed into one body. Same concept.

“In him also you were circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the powerful working of God, who raised him from the dead.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2:11-12‬ ‭ESV‬‬
https://bible.com/bible/59/col.2.11-12.ESV

Our immersion into Christ was made without hands. When one person immerses another into water hands are used.

“For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:27‬ ‭ESV‬‬
https://bible.com/bible/59/gal.3.27.ESV

Think immersed into Christ like we saw in Ephesians 1:13. The CJB translation actually says that. After all, the verse doesn’t mention water.

“because as many of you as were immersed into the Messiah have clothed yourselves with the Messiah, in whom”
‭‭Galatians (Gal)‬ ‭3:27‬ ‭CJB‬‬
https://bible.com/bible/1275/gal.3.27.CJB

Romans 6:3

“Don’t you know that those of us who have been immersed into the Messiah Yeshua have been immersed into his death?”
‭‭Romans (Rom)‬ ‭6:3‬ ‭CJB‬‬
https://bible.com/bible/1275/rom.6.3.CJB

If you read Acts 2:38 very closely considering the Greek words, you may end up with something like this from the CJB translation.

“Kefa answered them, “Turn from sin, return to God, and each of you be immersed on the authority of Yeshua the Messiah into forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Ruach HaKodesh!”
‭‭Acts of Emissaries of Yeshua (Act)‬ ‭2:38‬ ‭CJB‬‬
https://bible.com/bible/1275/act.2.38.CJB

Immersed into forgiveness of sins, not into water.

Jesus said this.

“Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24 ‭ESV‬‬
https://bible.com/bible/59/jhn.5.24.ESV
 
May 22, 2020
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These verses tell us what we must do.

“Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God, and everyone who loves the Father loves whoever has been born of him.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:1‬ ‭ESV‬‬
https://bible.com/bible/59/1jn.5.1.ESV

“I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:13‬ ‭ESV‬‬
https://bible.com/bible/59/1jn.5.13.ESV

There is a baptism (immersion) that has taken place in both of these passages. It’s not a physical water immersion. It is this.

“In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭1:13‬ ‭ESV‬‬
https://bible.com/bible/59/eph.1.13.ESV

We are sealed (think immersed) in Christ by the Holy Spirit when we believe. Think about how 1 Peter 3:21 tells us it’s not the putting off of the filth of the flesh.

You can see it here too.

“For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—Jews or Greeks, slaves or free—and all were made to drink of one Spirit.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭12:13‬ ‭ESV‬‬
https://bible.com/bible/59/1co.12.13.ESV

baptized into one body = immersed into one body. Same concept.

“In him also you were circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the powerful working of God, who raised him from the dead.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2:11-12‬ ‭ESV‬‬
https://bible.com/bible/59/col.2.11-12.ESV

Our immersion into Christ was made without hands. When one person immerses another into water hands are used.

“For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:27‬ ‭ESV‬‬
https://bible.com/bible/59/gal.3.27.ESV

Think immersed into Christ like we saw in Ephesians 1:13. The CJB translation actually says that. After all, the verse doesn’t mention water.

“because as many of you as were immersed into the Messiah have clothed yourselves with the Messiah, in whom”
‭‭Galatians (Gal)‬ ‭3:27‬ ‭CJB‬‬
https://bible.com/bible/1275/gal.3.27.CJB

Romans 6:3

“Don’t you know that those of us who have been immersed into the Messiah Yeshua have been immersed into his death?”
‭‭Romans (Rom)‬ ‭6:3‬ ‭CJB‬‬
https://bible.com/bible/1275/rom.6.3.CJB

If you read Acts 2:38 very closely considering the Greek words, you may end up with something like this from the CJB translation.

“Kefa answered them, “Turn from sin, return to God, and each of you be immersed on the authority of Yeshua the Messiah into forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Ruach HaKodesh!”
‭‭Acts of Emissaries of Yeshua (Act)‬ ‭2:38‬ ‭CJB‬‬
https://bible.com/bible/1275/act.2.38.CJB

Immersed into forgiveness of sins, not into water.

Jesus said this.

“Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24 ‭ESV‬‬

https://bible.com/bible/59/jhn.5.24.ESV
NO. You may not replace specific scriptures with other meaning scriptures.

If you can't accept scriptures requiring baptism...take it up with God.
 

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Precious friend, thanks for your input.

How is it possible for "Non-christians" to better understand washing when Most "christians" are so thoroughly Confused about the matter? (see # 73).
Hi Grace Ambassador, thanks for the response.

Tit 3:5 speaks of a "Washing of Regeneration". That seems to me to indicate Baptism. Do you interpret it differently? What is the Washing?

"5 not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit,"

Similarly, in John 3:5, Our Lord Jesus Christ specifically mentioned Water, along with the Holy Spirit "5 Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. "

The Lord did not say "or" but "and". It seems to me that Water Baptism is where regeneration normally takes place. See Acts 22:16 also.

God Bless.
Precious friend, thanks for the Great Question. First, this summary showing
God's Contexts:

(1) Prophecy/Law for ISRAEL:

►►► The Twelve Were Sent to {water} baptize! ◄◄◄​
The TWO Main (of 12) baptismS =​
A) water, For remission of sins/induction into Israeli "priesthood!":​
(Matthew_3:5-6; Mark_1:4; Luke_3:3; John_1:31; Luke 7:29-30; Acts_10:37)​
(Matthew_28:19; Mark_16:16; Acts_2:38, 22:16; Ezekiel_36:25)​
+​
B) WITH The Holy Spirit, Poured Out By CHRIST, for​
power, signs And wonders!​
(Isaiah_44:3; Matthew_3:11; Mark_1:8, 16:17-18;​
Luke_24:49; Acts_2:17-18, 38, 8:15-17, 11:16)​
Prophecy/Law

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That DIFFER!” {online}:

(2) Mystery/GRACE! =
our "apostle to the Gentiles" for The Body Of CHRIST:​
►►► Paul Was Not Sent to {water} baptize! Why Not?: ◄◄◄​
Today: Only ONE Baptism = "BY" The ONE Spirit = God's OPERATION,
Spiritually Identifying members In (The ONE Body Of) CHRIST!!​
(Ephesians_4:5; Colossians_2:12; Galatians_3:27;​
Romans_6:3-4; ►►► 1 Corinthians 12:13 KJB! ◄◄◄)​
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Then, within His Context Of Grace/Mystery, we find the
"Washing Of Regeneration" Today, is not by water, But By
The Holy Spirit, As Confirmed By "What Saith The Scripture?":


a) not physical water, as that would be a "work of righteousness​
that we ['man's operation' would] do," and Scripture Declares:​
"not by works of righteousness which we have done"
b) Along With "Circumcision [without hands] of the heart"​
(Colossians 2:11), Sanctification, and Justification​
“And such were some of you: but ye Are Washed, but ye Are​
Sanctified, but ye Are Justified In The Name Of The Lord​
Jesus, And By The Spirit Of our God.” (1 Corinthians 6:11)​
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Conclusion:
1) No interpretation is necessary When Scripture is Rightly​
Divided, and kept in God's Context, as demonstrated above.​
More study is here: Distinctions of prophecy vs Mystery!
2) The ONE Baptism Into The One Body, By The One Spirit Definitely​
Vanquishes all the Confusion of water found in # 73, Correct?​

GRACE And Peace
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