Do you believe in Cessationism or Continuationism? (poll)

[UnitedWithChrist]

For someone who calls themselves "united with Christ" you must be one of the least self aware people walking. Nothing in your dogma, your attitude or your posts shows a person united with Christ. Here's your comment...

" charismatics are fake, ignorant, self-deceived, mentally or emotionally ill, or lying, and lack credibility. "

Does this seem in any way,shape or form to be Christlike? Not only are you making a blanket statement, you're being judgemental, you are judging people that you do not even know personally. Mentally ill? Are you a psychiatrist? Who are you to judge peoples hearts?! Who died and made you God?! You are not an "honest man", if you were you wouldn't post the utter foolishness that you do. I hope to see you banned. You bring nothing but hate and division, attacking other brothers and sisters in Christ. Nobody cares what you think, you're hatred falls out of your mouth every time you open it. We've heard enough of what you think, and it stinks to high heaven.

There are certain theologies and cliques on this form.

Charismatics are one of them. Dispensationalists are another. Free-willers are another.

I disagree with all three of them.

It wouldn't be surprising if these cliques did try to get me banned. I also wouldn't lose any sleep over it.

Regarding your judgment of my salvation, I am not concerned with that either. You may think you are capable of judging the person, as a charismatic, but your judgment means nothing to me.

Put me on ignore. It's a pretty simple action. I have about a dozen people on ignore.

Regarding the categories I mentioned, I think it's pretty safe that there are plenty of mentally ill charismatics. I can tell you about specific individuals I have talked to, if you want. I've already brought a lot of them up in posts.

Besides, I gave plenty of different categories besides being mentally ill. I never claimed every charismatic was mentally ill. I gave about six or seven categories. Perhaps you fit in one of those other categories. I don't know you personally, so I can't determine which one you might belong to. Or, you might be one of the rare sane ones.

 

[UnitedWithChrist]

For someone who calls themselves "united with Christ" you must be one of the least self aware people walking. Nothing in your dogma, your attitude or your posts shows a person united with Christ. Here's your comment...

" charismatics are fake, ignorant, self-deceived, mentally or emotionally ill, or lying, and lack credibility. "

Does this seem in any way,shape or form to be Christlike? Not only are you making a blanket statement, you're being judgemental, you are judging people that you do not even know personally. Mentally ill? Are you a psychiatrist? Who are you to judge peoples hearts?! Who died and made you God?! You are not an "honest man", if you were you wouldn't post the utter foolishness that you do. I hope to see you banned. You bring nothing but hate and division, attacking other brothers and sisters in Christ. Nobody cares what you think, you're hatred falls out of your mouth every time you open it. We've heard enough of what you think, and it stinks to high heaven.

Isn't it against the rules of the site to declare someone who professes Christ to be unsaved?

I thought it was.

By the way, I am placing you on ignore. I suggest that you do the same thing if you don't want to know what I think on various topics. It's totally your option.

If you're a drama queen, you may not want to put me on ignore, because you prefer the drama. However, I suggest simply placing me on ignore. You shouldn't be upset by my positions if there isn't some basis in truth to them.

I think there is a strong basis of truth in them. And, I think you are upset by that. I can produce any number of videos by well-known people within the community that exhibits my points.

 

[UnitedWithChrist]

Casting doubt on continuationists as being deceived or corrupt actually goes a long way to pull the carpet out from under your own feet if you yourself are a professing Christian. When non-Christians see you trying to debunk your own brethren they won't see any reason to take you seriously either. It actually does damage to the Christian brand and misrepresents who we are supposed to be, in my estimation. A house divided against itself cannot stand and those who perform a miracle in Jesus' name will never turn and say something bad about Him.

Additionally, in the cultist organization I belonged to, continuationists were constantly used as "proof" that Christians were weird and believed strange things.

It doesn't take a genius to turn on TBN or similar networks and see that it is full of strange individuals making outlandish claims, and fooling gullible people out of their money.

This is basically dragging Christ's name through the mud.

Such individuals need to be labeled as charlatans, and they are not limited to TBN or similar networks.

If Christians sit by and simply acknowledge such individuals as sane, representative examples of Christianity, then a large segment of reasonable people are going to be turned away from considering Christianity as the reasonable, solid faith that it is.

I am NOT represented by continuationists, as popularly defined. I have nothing in common with these experience-seekers with their fake "miracles" such as gold-dust glory clouds. Christianity is a faith that is reasonable. Proper emotions flow from doctrinal understanding, but emotionalism and sensationalism are not the basis of Christianity.

 

[JaumeJ]

I am a continuationist but:

1. I think most charismatics are fake, ignorant, self-deceived, mentally or emotionally ill, or lying, and lack credibility.
2. I don't think most "tongues-speakers" really exercise the biblical gift of tongues.
3. I don't think there's any Scriptural guarantee that all legitimate gifts and offices are guaranteed to be in existence at all times.
4. I believe most "continuationists" are extremely susceptible to being deceived.
5. I totally deny the position that all mature Christians speak in tongues, and consider those who claim this to be cultic.
6. I believe many charismatics are, in essence, flaunting their alleged giftings in order to impress others with their spirituality.

So, it depends on how you define "continuationism".

This is exactly wht the non-believing Jews, the Pharisees, the Saduccees an others would sya who do not believe. God is the same yesterday, today, and forever.

I will give you this though, there are many fakes running around in the charismatic, just like the many profit mustering non-charismatic peachers raking in the cash but not really doing any planting or crop care.

 

[kaylagrl]

Isn't it against the rules of the site to declare someone who professes Christ to be unsaved?

I thought it was.

By the way, I am placing you on ignore. I suggest that you do the same thing if you don't want to know what I think on various topics. It's totally your option.

If you're a drama queen, you may not want to put me on ignore, because you prefer the drama. However, I suggest simply placing me on ignore. You shouldn't be upset by my positions if there isn't some basis in truth to them.

I think there is a strong basis of truth in them. And, I think you are upset by that. I can produce any number of videos by well-known people within the community that exhibits my points.

I'm pretty sure even on ignore you can still see this. It's rich for you to turn and play the victim when you are breaking every rule here. I'll do you one better, I'm not putting you on ignore,I'm reporting you. How's that for drama. Again,no one cares what you think. You're full of hate and division. Reported!!

 

[Grandpa]

I have the same view now as I did 4yrs ago when this subject was first brought up.

Which is cool because my view doesn't always stay the same.


I think it is arrogant to say for sure, and with authority, that a certain thing does not and cannot exist.

And then equally I cannot speak for ALL the gifts of the spirit as no one has ALL the gifts. And then further, not everyone with gifts even knows they have gifts...


All that people have really said is "Based on my experience" gifts have ceased or gifts have not ceased. Or even people who believe this way are mostly "sick". Both sides have said this, essentially.


We do have to be very aware of people who do things and get paid for them. I'm not saying it is wrong to get paid. I'm just saying some people have an ulterior motive.

Be Wise as serpents harmless as doves....

 

[UnitedWithChrist]

For someone who calls themselves "united with Christ" you must be one of the least self aware people walking. Nothing in your dogma, your attitude or your posts shows a person united with Christ. Here's your comment...

" charismatics are fake, ignorant, self-deceived, mentally or emotionally ill, or lying, and lack credibility. "

Does this seem in any way,shape or form to be Christlike? Not only are you making a blanket statement, you're being judgemental, you are judging people that you do not even know personally. Mentally ill? Are you a psychiatrist? Who are you to judge peoples hearts?! Who died and made you God?! You are not an "honest man", if you were you wouldn't post the utter foolishness that you do. I hope to see you banned. You bring nothing but hate and division, attacking other brothers and sisters in Christ. Nobody cares what you think, you're hatred falls out of your mouth every time you open it. We've heard enough of what you think, and it stinks to high heaven.

I encourage folks to go back to the original post, and see how kaylagirl has only quoted part of what I said, in an attempt to discredit me. She did not include qualifying statements that I made, intentionally.

Additionally, notice how she is accusing me of being judgmental, and she herself is judging ME.

That's the typical inconsistent reason that individuals like her employ. They employ double standards..one for them and one for others.

 

[UnitedWithChrist]

For someone who calls themselves "united with Christ" you must be one of the least self aware people walking. Nothing in your dogma, your attitude or your posts shows a person united with Christ. Here's your comment...

" charismatics are fake, ignorant, self-deceived, mentally or emotionally ill, or lying, and lack credibility. "

Does this seem in any way,shape or form to be Christlike? Not only are you making a blanket statement, you're being judgemental, you are judging people that you do not even know personally. Mentally ill? Are you a psychiatrist? Who are you to judge peoples hearts?! Who died and made you God?! You are not an "honest man", if you were you wouldn't post the utter foolishness that you do. I hope to see you banned. You bring nothing but hate and division, attacking other brothers and sisters in Christ. Nobody cares what you think, you're hatred falls out of your mouth every time you open it. We've heard enough of what you think, and it stinks to high heaven.

Here's exactly what I said, which kaylagirl heavily edited in order to slander me:

I am a continuationist but:

1. I think most charismatics are fake, ignorant, self-deceived, mentally or emotionally ill, or lying, and lack credibility.
2. I don't think most "tongues-speakers" really exercise the biblical gift of tongues.
3. I don't think there's any Scriptural guarantee that all legitimate gifts and offices are guaranteed to be in existence at all times.
4. I believe most "continuationists" are extremely susceptible to being deceived.
5. I totally deny the position that all mature Christians speak in tongues, and consider those who claim this to be cultic.
6. I believe many charismatics are, in essence, flaunting their alleged giftings in order to impress others with their spirituality.

So, it depends on how you define "continuationism".

Firstly, notice the qualifier "I think". I am expressing an opinion. Also, notice the word "most".

She can disagree with me. I simply answered the question, what do I think on the matter?

 

[UnitedWithChrist]

For someone who calls themselves "united with Christ" you must be one of the least self aware people walking. Nothing in your dogma, your attitude or your posts shows a person united with Christ. Here's your comment...

" charismatics are fake, ignorant, self-deceived, mentally or emotionally ill, or lying, and lack credibility. "

Does this seem in any way,shape or form to be Christlike? Not only are you making a blanket statement, you're being judgemental, you are judging people that you do not even know personally. Mentally ill? Are you a psychiatrist? Who are you to judge peoples hearts?! Who died and made you God?! You are not an "honest man", if you were you wouldn't post the utter foolishness that you do. I hope to see you banned. You bring nothing but hate and division, attacking other brothers and sisters in Christ. Nobody cares what you think, you're hatred falls out of your mouth every time you open it. We've heard enough of what you think, and it stinks to high heaven.

Here's exactly what I said, which kaylagirl heavily edited in order to slander me:

I am a continuationist but:

1. I think most charismatics are fake, ignorant, self-deceived, mentally or emotionally ill, or lying, and lack credibility.
2. I don't think most "tongues-speakers" really exercise the biblical gift of tongues.
3. I don't think there's any Scriptural guarantee that all legitimate gifts and offices are guaranteed to be in existence at all times.
4. I believe most "continuationists" are extremely susceptible to being deceived.
5. I totally deny the position that all mature Christians speak in tongues, and consider those who claim this to be cultic.
6. I believe many charismatics are, in essence, flaunting their alleged giftings in order to impress others with their spirituality.

So, it depends on how you define "continuationism".

Firstly, notice the qualifier "I think". I am expressing an opinion. Also, notice the word "most".

She can disagree with me. I simply answered the question, what do I think on the matter?

By the way, if I express my understanding on the same issue, she would judge me as being judgmental...doesn't that make her a judge of me?

In fact, she declared me to be an unbeliever. I did not say that about those who believe continuationism. I didn't declare them to be unbelievers, although some are unbelievers I'm sure, like any other class of professing Christians.

 

[kaylagrl]

Here's exactly what I said, which kaylagirl heavily edited in order to slander me:

I am a continuationist but:

1. I think most charismatics are fake, ignorant, self-deceived, mentally or emotionally ill, or lying, and lack credibility.
2. I don't think most "tongues-speakers" really exercise the biblical gift of tongues.
3. I don't think there's any Scriptural guarantee that all legitimate gifts and offices are guaranteed to be in existence at all times.
4. I believe most "continuationists" are extremely susceptible to being deceived.
5. I totally deny the position that all mature Christians speak in tongues, and consider those who claim this to be cultic.
6. I believe many charismatics are, in essence, flaunting their alleged giftings in order to impress others with their spirituality.

So, it depends on how you define "continuationism".

Firstly, notice the qualifier "I think". I am expressing an opinion. Also, notice the word "most".

She can disagree with me. I simply answered the question, what do I think on the matter?

By the way, if I express my understanding on the same issue, she would judge me as being judgmental...doesn't that make her a judge of me?

In fact, she declared me to be an unbeliever. I did not say that about those who believe continuationism. I didn't declare them to be unbelievers, although some are unbelievers I'm sure, like any other class of professing Christians.

Kaylagrl didn't edit but quoted directly the vile comment the poster made. I did not post everything that was said, only the two most nasty and damning comments.

I think most charismatics are fake, ignorant, self-deceived, mentally or emotionally ill, or lying, and lack credibility.

That comment should be enough to shut down this thread and boot the OP. BTW I am not under the "charismatic" movement. No where did I say the OP was an unbeliever, that's a lie, I said the OP was un-Christlike. I don't know age of the OP but apparently the OP isn't matter enough to understand the difference between an opinion and a judgement call.

Opinion " I do not (or do) believe in cessationism or continuationism, here is why..."

Slander or Judgementalism " Most (name ANY denomination) are fake,ignorant, mentally ill and liars.

Y'all see the difference?! Yeah I thought so. The OP or anyone else is not in the position to call anyone mentally ill, nor any of the other nasty comments. So the question remains, why are they still here CC?!

 

[kaylagrl]

I encourage folks to go back to the original post, and see how kaylagirl has only quoted part of what I said, in an attempt to discredit me. She did not include qualifying statements that I made, intentionally.

Additionally, notice how she is accusing me of being judgmental, and she herself is judging ME.

That's the typical inconsistent reason that individuals like her employ. They employ double standards..one for them and one for others.

What qualifying statements did the OP make after calling people mentally ill fake liars? Suddenly they're the victim? That's rich!! You don't like being discredited?! Imagine that!! Pot walk on over here and meet the kettle. I'm not calling you judgemental, Im telling you your comments are judgemental. Anyone with a brain can read the comments themselves and see the horrible things the OP has said. I don't care what denomination they are bashing. It's wrong!!