DO YOU LOVE GODS LAW?

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It seems some cannot fully accept the New Testament and have the odd mixture of being under the law and under grace at the same time; which is shown as clear error in the epistles. But at least All can see that love and not legalism is the fulfulment of every commandment of God? Again I ask why not teach And preach love if one really loves Gods laws?
 
We do not teach thou shalt not steal as the fulfillment if the law; we teach that we should love as Christ has loved us and we are called to give not take! We are called to teach love; not self righteousness through the law. This should be evident to any honest believer who has read the New Testament.
 
We do not teach thou shalt not steal as the fulfillment if the law; we teach that we should love as Christ has loved us and we are called to give not take! We are called to teach love; not self righteousness through the law. This should be evident to any honest believer who has read the New Testament.
Self righteousness? Here? lol. :cool:

Thanks for sharing God's love here, Brother. Keep fighting the Good Fight!
 
We do not teach thou shalt not steal as the fulfillment if the law; we teach that we should love as Christ has loved us and we are called to give not take! We are called to teach love; not self righteousness through the law. This should be evident to any honest believer who has read the New Testament.

That is wonderful, all except for the fact Christ taught it a little differently...

Mat 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:

Now according to you Christ would say, just love me and your brother, but He didn't...

Mat 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
Mat 5:23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;
Mat 5:24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.
Mat 5:25 Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.
Mat 5:26 Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.

He taught that being angry without a cause violated the sixth Commandment.

Mat 5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:

Now you would teach that just love Christ and love your neighbor but Christ taught...

Mat 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
Mat 5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
Mat 5:30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

Not only adultery, but the very thought of adultery is sin. In other words, one has to control their thoughts. One has to be on guard and fight against lust taking over their mind.

Their is a big difference between just saying love, love, love, oh how I love you Jeezus and actually understanding and fulfilling the spiritual attributes of the Commandments.

But then again it is broad and easy, isn't it?
 
Some try to make very complicated what is really very simple in Christ. "This is My Commandment; that you love one another as I have loved you" as Satan decieved eve so are many being deceived from the simplicity that is in Christ Jesus.
 
What part if the commandment of Christ to love leaves the law undone? But what we do know is that if we Dont love with His love; we are guilty of breaking all the laws of God.
 
The mistake made by many is to not fully understand this. Except for accounts of the time of the Mission of our Savior and of the varied congregations shortly after His Resurrection and Ascent to His Glory, all of the teaching of the New Testament are in the Old Testament. These names are taken from words employed in both compilations.

Abraham is the first to know the Gospel and of the Gate his descendants were to possess. Grace is spoken of being fresh daily, that is the grace of God. All was given to other than the first Israel through Jesus Christ.

Now all mankind is joined with Israel, spiritually, for eternity when they choose Jesus Christ.

I know those who do not yet realize their faith is the faith of Abrahame will balk at this, but they are either still not in the know, or just anti-Jew.

I am of the faith of Abraham and very proud of my Father in heaven for making me such. Blessed be our Salvation, Jesus Christ, amen.

PS, Taking the New Testament as all of teh Holy Scriptures is having it backwards, and totally missing the p,oint, though I am certain there are millions who believe who only read the Nt because the Holy Spirit gueds them through. These latter do not balk at those who read all of the Word for they understand implicitely by the Holy Spirit.
 
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"The letter kills but the Spirit gives life". Legalism brings death to a believer ; Love in the Spirit brings life and joy into a believers life . Love brings life to those around a believer ; legalism makes others miserable. Look at the faces of these legalist and what do you see? You see death! Look at the faces of those who walk in love and what do you see? You see life!
 
"The letter kills but the Spirit gives life". Legalism brings death to a believer ; Love in the Spirit brings life and joy into a believers life . Love brings life to those around a believer ; legalism makes others miserable. Look at the faces of these legalist and what do you see? You see death! Look at the faces of those who walk in love and what do you see? You see life!

why dont you explain what is the difference between the Spirit and the letter since you teach so heavily on this matter? because the Spirit and the letter can be a very vague term.
 
Some try to make very complicated what is really very simple in Christ. "This is My Commandment; that you love one another as I have loved you" as Satan decieved eve so are many being deceived from the simplicity that is in Christ Jesus.

And tell me what love is? Please explain how we love one another. How about some examples? Better yet, how about some scripture?
 
It seems some cannot fully accept the New Testament and have the odd mixture of being under the law and under grace at the same time; which is shown as clear error in the epistles. But at least All can see that love and not legalism is the fulfulment of every commandment of God? Again I ask why not teach And preach love if one really loves Gods laws?

If that's aimed at my comment, you are shooting blanks..............because I have said we are to teach Grace.......love........just shown were people don't understand the difference between the Law of Moses and the Law of Faith as shown in the Gospel of Jesus Christ. And THIS IS what we are SUPPOSE to be teaching is it not?

The Gospel of Jesus Christ!
 
And tell me what love is? Please explain how we love one another. How about some examples? Better yet, how about some scripture?

how about this: if you love God, then you will not put idols before him, take his name in vain, you will take a Sabbath rest. if you love your fellow humans you will not steal from them, kill them, cheat on your spouse, covet etc.. this is what mitspa and myself and others are trying to say.
 
how about this: if you love God, then you will not put idols before him, take his name in vain, you will take a Sabbath rest. if you love your fellow humans you will not steal from them, kill them, cheat on your spouse, covet etc.. this is what mitspa and myself and others are trying to say.

This is what is taught throughout the New Testament that we serve God in the newness of the Spirit not in the oldness of the letter. And its really hard to understand why some cannot see love as the fulfillment of the law? When it is said so clearly and evidently? If some of these guys Dont know how to love? They need to go humble themselves before the Lord Jesus Christ at His Cross and He will teach them there.
 
how about this: if you love God, then you will not put idols before him, take his name in vain, you will take a Sabbath rest. if you love your fellow humans you will not steal from them, kill them, cheat on your spouse, covet etc.. this is what mitspa and myself and others are trying to say.

Oh my, in other words actually keep the Ten Commandments?
 
This is very simple some of you legalist need to go to the Lord and pray that you would know His love and love others as He loves you; then you would know and keep the laws of God. Until then you re just as a clinging cymbal and you have no reward in the Kingdom of God.
 
"The letter kills but the Spirit gives life". Legalism brings death to a believer ; Love in the Spirit brings life and joy into a believers life . Love brings life to those around a believer ; legalism makes others miserable. Look at the faces of these legalist and what do you see? You see death! Look at the faces of those who walk in love and what do you see? You see life!

why dont you explain what is the difference between the Spirit and the letter since you teach so heavily on this matter? because the Spirit and the letter can be a very vague term.

This is very simple some of you legalist need to go to the Lord and pray that you would know His love and love others as He loves you; then you would know and keep the laws of God. Until then you re just as a clinging cymbal and you have no reward in the Kingdom of God.

oh so no explanation of what you strongly assert, just personal accusations and slanderous names.... ohh and even judging ones "reward"

seems if you were really interested in "leading others to truth" you would explain and show, rather than criticize.... well you got your insensitive remark for the day in, did you already say your racists remark for the day or are you saving that for later?
 
"The letter kills but the Spirit gives life". Legalism brings death to a believer ; Love in the Spirit brings life and joy into a believers life . Love brings life to those around a believer ; legalism makes others miserable. Look at the faces of these legalist and what do you see? You see death! Look at the faces of those who walk in love and what do you see? You see life!

why dont you explain what is the difference between the Spirit and the letter since you teach so heavily on this matter? because the Spirit and the letter can be a very vague term.

can we try this again?

why dont you explain what is the difference between the Spirit and the letter since you teach so heavily on this matter? because the Spirit and the letter can be a very vague term.
 
This is very simple some of you legalist need to go to the Lord and pray that you would know His love and love others as He loves you; then you would know and keep the laws of God. Until then you re just as a clinging cymbal and you have no reward in the Kingdom of God.

kinda like Paul...

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

He needed the Law to determine what sin is...

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

And because it enlightened him as to sin and righteousness, he said this...

Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

Then he said this...

Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

The problem is not the Law, it was his and is our carnal nature rearing up.

Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

Paul delighted in the Law of God in his heart but

Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

he saw another law, the law of carnality and sin...

Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

So, he says that he served God Law in his mind but still fell prey to the law of sin due to his flesh, his carnal nature.

The problem is not and never was the law, the problem is us. Christ did not come to change the Law, He came to change us.
 
I think it would overwhelm anhyone to read a list of peopl in the Old Testaemen who were led by the Holy Spirit, and they all studied the Word, either by reading or from the preaching of the prophets and priests.

Now, you are fatally in error if you believe anyone who loves the law is a legalist. I believe legalists are those who blindly interpret the law as being all of w hat Moses wrote down. Many of them are trumped by grace. If you were to learn the enitre Word of God from Genesis, you would already be aware of this by the Holy Spirit.

Keep in mind the great apostasy began as soon as our Lord ascended to His throne.

It seems the grace touters who believe the law is evil are the most legalistic individuals who come into this forum.

No one, not a one, except our blessed Salvation, ever was able to abide by, that is live by the Law alone, and this is way we need Jesus Christ, for the Law in its inherent from God wisdom, points to Jesus Christ, as He, Himself, teache you, me and all who hear Him.

Believe Jesus Christ, and worship Him in spirit and truth and do not look for excuses other than His Blood for your errors. He loves you, I love you, and I believe all here love you, so do not be terrified of being obedietnt. Jesus completes the law, but, as He teaches, He did not abolish any of the laws, and anyone who teaches against the least of them will be leasst in the Kingdom. Yes you live in grace, but that is no excuse to sin on purpos. Sin is breaking the law. Think aoubt that.

God bless you.
 
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oh so no explanation of what you strongly assert, just personal accusations and slanderous names.... ohh and even judging ones "reward"

seems if you were really interested in "leading others to truth" you would explain and show, rather than criticize.... well you got your insensitive remark for the day in, did you already say your racists remark for the day or are you saving that for later?

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Hizikyah again.