DO YOU LOVE GODS LAW?

[JaumeJ]

Sorry, that does not float with the vast majority of what are called scholars, and you are relating being saved to scholastic activity rather than to the grace of Jesus Christ bestowed with the Holy spirit. Consult scholor after scholar if you wish, but I know most of what is good by the Holy Spirit. To say that all was in greek would be humorous if it were not so sad. Think about thirteen Jews preaching to the diaspora in their time with writings only in Greek. The thought is ludicous at best, and also it is agains common sense and decency towards the Jews who were coming to Jesus at that time. I kow it may shock you to know this but they called Jesus, Yeshua. Gads, that is just too Jewish, huh?

What? Jaume...what in the world are you trying to say? There are no original New Testament manuscripts in Hebrew...its well established the New Testament was written in Greek, there is no debate going on about this issue. Any text that do not agree with the Greek text are false and must be rejected, its that simple.

 

[Mitspa]

Sorry, that does not float with the vast majority of what are called scholars, and you are relating being saved to scholastic activity rather than to the grace of Jesus Christ bestowed with the Holy spirit. Consult scholor after scholar if you wish, but I know most of what is good by the Holy Spirit. To say that all was in greek would be humorous if it were not so sad. Think about thirteen Jews preaching to the diaspora in their time with writings only in Greek. The thought is ludicous at best, and also it is agains common sense and decency towards the Jews who were coming to Jesus at that time. I kow it may shock you to know this but they called Jesus, Yeshua. Gads, that is just too Jewish, huh?

The church at the time of the writing of the epistles was for the most part a Gentile church...and att Greek was the common written language and of course the scholars would laugh you guys with these false translations off this forum if you attempted to establish them above the Greek.... Now if you have some acceptable scholar you would like to present? Then lets hear from them...but you guys are just ignorant of the subject and are so desperate to establish your legalism you would use a translation written by the devil himself if it promoted your own errors.

 

[JaumeJ]

It is obvious by the content of the Epistles that many of the members, maybe most, were converted or converting Jews. The conten does speak louder than opinions.

The church at the time of the writing of the epistles was for the most part a Gentile church...and att Greek was the common written language and of course the scholars would laugh you guys with these false translations off this forum if you attempted to establish them above the Greek.... Now if you have some acceptable scholar you would like to present? Then lets hear from them...but you guys are just ignorant of the subject and are so desperate to establish your legalism you would use a translation written by the devil himself if it promoted your own errors.

 

[Mitspa]

It is obvious by the content of the Epistles that many of the members, maybe most, were converted or converting Jews. The conten does speak louder than opinions.

No what is obvious is the Jews for the most part rejected the gospel...and what we see in Acts and the epistles is the Gentiles accepting what the Jews rejected. And beyond doubt the common way of written communication was the Greek in all the known world att...Of course God chose the Greek to speak to the world .

 

[JaumeJ]

A portion of the Jews aree enemies of the Gospel for our sakes! The very first believers were almost exclusively Jews. Christ came to the Jews first then the Greeks. Now you must understand this saying is in regard to the children of Isael and gentiles in general. Perhaps you believe having a Hellenized only understanding of the faith of Abraham is the only correct approach to the sstudy of the Word. Most folks are open to understanding by the Holy Spirit which will lead them to an Hebrew approach and understanding. Again, and after all, as Jesus teaches us all, we are come to Him in the faith of Abraham the spiritual father of us all after God.

No what is obvious is the Jews for the most part rejected the gospel...and what we see in Acts and the epistles is the Gentiles accepting what the Jews rejected. And beyond doubt the common way of written communication was the Greek in all the known world att...Of course God chose the Greek to speak to the world .

 

[Hizikyah]

Psalm 119

73Your hands have made me and formed me. Give me understanding, that I may learn your commandments.

74Those who fear you will see me and be glad, because I have put my hope in your word.

75Yahweh, I know that your judgments are righteous, that in faithfulness you have afflicted me.

76Please let your loving kindness be for my comfort, according to your word to your servant.

77Let your tender mercies come to me, that I may live; for your law is my delight.

78Let the proud be disappointed, for they have overthrown me wrongfully. I will meditate on your precepts.

79Let those who fear you turn to me. They will know your statutes.

80Let my heart be blameless toward your decrees, that I may not be disappointed.

Zecharyah 7:7-13, "Were not these words of Yahweh proclaimed by the former prophets, when Yerusalem was inhabited and successful, with her villages surrounding her, when men inhabited the South; Negev, and the lowland; western foothills? And the word of Yahweh came to Zecharyah, saying: This is what Yahweh of hosts says! Execute true judgment, and show mercy and compassion, everyone to his brother. Do not oppress the widow, nor the fatherless, the stranger, nor the poor. Let none of you imagine; think or devise, evil in your heart against your brother. But they refused to pay any attention--they turned a stubborn shoulder, and they stopped their ears so they would not be able to hear. Yes, they made their hearts like a hard adamant stone, in order not to hear the Law and the words, which Yahweh of hosts had sent by His Spirit through the former prophets. Therefore, great wrath came from Yahweh of hosts. Just as I called, and they would not hear, so they called, and I would not hear, says Yahweh of hosts!"

Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."

 

[Mitspa]

A portion of the Jews aree enemies of the Gospel for our sakes! The very first believers were almost exclusively Jews. Christ came to the Jews first then the Greeks. Now you must understand this saying is in regard to the children of Isael and gentiles in general. Perhaps you believe having a Hellenized only understanding of the faith of Abraham is the only correct approach to the sstudy of the Word. Most folks are open to understanding by the Holy Spirit which will lead them to an Hebrew approach and understanding. Again, and after all, as Jesus teaches us all, we are come to Him in the faith of Abraham the spiritual father of us all after God.

No friend what is made absolute and clear is that the Jews rejected the gospel for the most part and only a small portion of the Jews believed...the "church" was almost completely made up of Gentiles. The common written language of all the areas control by Rome was Greek...0f course God chose the Greek for His New Testament .

 

[Mitspa]

I am going to start a thread on the Greek text later and we can hash this issue out a little better...I would rather keep this thread focused on how to fulfill Gods law

 

[michael56]

I am going to start a thread on the Greek text later and we can hash this issue out a little better...I would rather keep this thread focused on how to fulfill Gods law

Obedience comes from faith (rom 1:5) Love fulfils the law.
Hence as Paul states. All we need is faith working through love

 

[Mitspa]

Obedience comes from faith (rom 1:5) Love fulfils the law.
Hence as Paul states. All we need is faith working through love

Yep and called this the simplicity of Christ....but many are deceived and led astray


2Co 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

 

[vic1980]

We all understand the following:

"And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” = Jesus Christ Our Lord

But Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.


Psalm 19:8 The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes.

[video=youtube;NedPq_bkNL8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NedPq_bkNL8[/video]

God bless

 

[Hizikyah]

Psalm 119

33Teach me, Yahweh, the way of your statutes. I will keep them to the end.

34Give me understanding, and I will keep your law. Yes, I will obey it with my whole heart.

35Direct me in the path of your commandments, for I delight in them.

36Turn my heart toward your statutes, not toward selfish gain.

37Turn my eyes away from looking at worthless things. Revive me in your ways.

38Fulfill your promise to your servant, that you may be feared.

39Take away my disgrace that I dread, for your ordinances are good.

40Behold, I long for your precepts! Revive me in your righteousness.

 

[john832]

I am going to start a thread on the Greek text later and we can hash this issue out a little better...I would rather keep this thread focused on how to fulfill Gods law

You fluent in Greek? Just curious, all I know of Greek is what I find in the lexicons.

 

[Mitspa]

You fluent in Greek? Just curious, all I know of Greek is what I find in the lexicons.

I would not use the term fluent

 

[Mitspa]

Looks guys...If you really love Gods law, you will forsake legalism and take up love in which all the law is fulfilled.

 

[john832]

Looks guys...If you really love Gods law, you will forsake legalism and take up love in which all the law is fulfilled.

If you love the Law, you will forsake Law and go to an ethereal, wispy love based religion?

Please tell me how to love God and how to love my neighbor. Explain it.

 

[john832]

I would not use the term fluent

If you can read or speak it at all, you are way out of my league.

 

[JaumeJ]

Do not teach against the commandments of God. Jesus Christ teaches us this, Himself, and through John in his epistles and in Revelation, not to mention Paul in his epistles.

Yes if one loves perfectly, he keeps all of the law, and we all know Who wlked this earth Perfect for us.

Do not teach against God's laws.

 

[Mitspa]

If you can read or speak it at all, you are way out of my league.

No...I doubt that....I wanted to know what the bible said for myself, so I bought some books on the Greek and looked up every Greek word in the New Testament ...how it was used and context etc... Im no expert but no one can deceive me either.

 

[Mitspa]

Do not teach against the commandments of God. Jesus Christ teaches us this, Himself, and through John in his epistles and in Revelation, not to mention Paul in his epistles.

Yes if one loves perfectly, he keeps all of the law, and we all know Who wlked this earth Perfect for us.

Do not teach against God's laws.

No we know how to fulfill all the law...its clearly written that its all fulfilled in love. Legalism teaches folks to break the law.